War Room Lounge v78: Figure someone will make a thread eventually.

[Jack V Savage]

What is that "something"?

What was the "lie"? That the terms "agent" and "asset" and "source" are all equivalent in HUMINT?

The something is Trump mocking a reporter's disability.

And you said Clinton called Stein a Russian agent, when she called her a Russian asset. Clearly you recognize a difference, which is why you used the wrong term.

 

[HereticBD]

That’s why I’m saying not to do it at all cause I think it’s suppose to be acted upon. I don’t think you can post the words that way either. That’s why I’m saying to steer clear of it. If you really needed to use it for the purpose of the discussion, I’d do something like “n word” and never in a derogatory context, even mockingly. That gets people sometimes.

But why is "n-word" any less offensive than N*****, or just typing it out unfiltered? What's the difference? That's my point. Why is there a work around, if it's against the rules? I know you're not an admin, or own the site or anything, but does it not seem a little confusing to you as well? What about posting music videos with offensive language? Where's the line, is all I'm asking, and if it's a selective one, that's a bit of a problem for the site. The rules should be clear if they're going to be enforced.

 

[Ruprecht]

But why is "n-word" any less offensive than N*****, or just typing it out unfiltered? What's the difference? That's my point. Why is there a work around, if it's against the rules? I know you're not an admin, or own the site or anything, but does it not seem a little confusing to you as well? What about posting music videos with offensive language? Where's the line, is all I'm asking, and if it's a selective one, that's a bit of a problem for the site. The rules should be clear if they're going to be enforced.

If you use a slur, or any word that's filtered, or circumvent the word filter, and we notice, you can expect an infraction.
Music videos are a bit of a grey zone, but I've handed out an infraction for the clear and deliberate (timestamped) use of a music video for racial slurs as well. There's always going to be a degree of subjectivity in instances like that.
Context does matter, but "it was just a joke" isn't an excuse.
As for "N-Word", considering how obsessed you all are with identity politics, it'd shut down conversation if there wasn't an acceptable way to refer to the slur.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

I can see that, but if you really want to enforce it, there shouldn't be some loosy goosy rule about it. It gives people an incentive to look for infractions for people they don't like, and lends credence to the notion that mods are picking and choosing who they punish. Rules are rules. Can you post F*****, C***, N*****, etc, in any context or not? If not, it should be a rule that everyone can understand, and not a rule that is enforced selectively.

If anyone in here posts porn for example, there is no nuance, or consideration for reputation. It's an immediate ban, or dubs. Why is language any different?

seems to me it's enforced across the board, i had a post deleted today that was this picture, only captioned "ain't nothin worse than a smart dumb n***a" (direct quote from katt williams, not the hard R version).

the reasoning was that "racial slurs" aren't allowed in the war room. whether this was a mod being "fair" or some bitter individual reported it i don't know

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

always entertaining.
what did I miss?

I posted a great song that no one appreciated.

bunch of jibber jabber otherwise

 

[Fawlty]

seems to me it's enforced across the board, i had a post deleted today that was this picture, only captioned "ain't nothin worse than a smart dumb n***a" (direct quote from katt williams, not the hard R version).

the reasoning was that "racial slurs" aren't allowed in the war room. whether this was a mod being "fair" or some bitter individual reported it i don't know

Just from my experience, that post would have gotten deleted/edited or carded just about any time here that I can remember, possibly in the OT too, depending on the era.

I also remember it being kosher in the distant past to just use the slur and let the word filter grab it, so long as you weren't using the word offensively. But that isn't a good idea now with how the Internet works.

I thought the filter actually replaced the word until it came up for me last year, and I assume many people have thought that too.

 

[Graves The Elder]

got it.
time to get ill.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Just from my experience, that post would have gotten deleted/edited or carded just about any time here that I can remember, possibly in the OT too, depending on the era.

I also remember it being kosher in the distant past to just use the slur and let the word filter grab it, so long as you weren't using the word offensively. But that isn't a good idea now with how the Internet works.

n-word with "ga" isn't a slur

 

[Fawlty]

n-word with "ga" isn't a slur

Hmm. Try using it at work.

 

[Graves The Elder]

^ fired, arrested, incarcerated, introduced to bbc, converted to islam, marry a 13 yr start a T shirt company, etc.

 

[Ruprecht]

n-word with "ga" isn't a slur

Yeah it is. There's no "reclaiming the term" on an anonymous internet forum.

 

[HereticBD]

If you use a slur, or any word that's filtered, or circumvent the word filter, and we notice, you can expect an infraction.

Ehhh, if its reported, it might be an infraction. Clearly it's a case by case basis, as the same standard is not held for porn posts. If you post porn, your ass is grass. Language though? Don't think the same standard is applied. I can't think of anyone who got away with posting porn, regardless of their reputation or anything. It's a clear no fly zone.

Music videos are a bit of a grey zone, but I've handed out an infraction for the clear and deliberate (timestamped) use of a music video for racial slurs as well. There's always going to be a degree of subjectivity in instances like that.
Context does matter, but "it was just a joke" isn't an excuse.

I don't think context does matter with language. I think it matters on if it's reported or not, and if a mod personally takes issue with it. That's my whole point. Either certain language is off limits, or it's not.

Don't get me wrong though. I like that you only most of the time enforce language violations when it's truly used in an offensive manner. It's those other times where the context might not be offensive, and the rules are selectively enforced, where I scratch my head a bit..

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Hmm. Try using it at work.

i'm mixed race

i wouldn't use it anyway though, other than quoting it, because i'm from the UK and it just sounds cringey. plus we don't stick the landing on the hard r version so it all sounds the same

 

[Fawlty]

fired, arrested, incarcerated, introduced to bbc, converted to islam, marry a 13 yr start a T shirt company, etc.

^^^
R Kelly lyrics when he emerges from prison as a mumble rapper. And mumble rap not as a stylistic choice, just from the PTSD.

 

[Graves The Elder]

 

[waiguoren]

And you said Clinton called Stein a Russian agent, when she called her a Russian asset. Clearly you recognize a difference, which is why you used the wrong term.

As I've already pointed out to you (with quality sources), there is no difference. At this point, you're just flailing.

The something is Trump mocking a reporter's disability.

He didn't mock the reporter's disability. He mocked the reporter as being flustered. He almost imitated the reporter's disfigured right arm for a fraction of a second, doing it in such a way that he had plausible deniability. In my estimation this was yet another calculated Trump move to attract large-scale mainstream media attention. It was smart. Notice how Trump worked another "flustered" gesticulation into the same speech, talking about generals that time. Later, he did the same type of imitation to mock Rafael "Ted" Cruz.

 

[senri]

I posted a great song that no one appreciated.

bunch of jibber jabber otherwise

I'm listening to it...

 

[Sycho Sid]

I'm listening to it...

Does it shake the nexus?

 

[senri]

Does it shake the nexus?

No, It requires Mr. A.C to undergo massive transmutation of the flesh... Something I will assist him with one day....

 

[Ruprecht]

Ehhh, if its reported, it might be an infraction. Clearly it's a case by case basis, as the same standard is not held for porn posts. If you post porn, your ass is grass. Language though? Don't think the same standard is applied. I can't think of anyone who got away with posting porn, regardless of their reputation or anything. It's a clear no fly zone.

I don't think context does matter with language. I think it matters on if it's reported or not, and if a mod personally takes issue with it. That's my whole point. Either certain language is off limits, or it's not.

Don't get me wrong though. I like that you only most of the time enforce language violations when it's truly used in an offensive manner. It's those other times where the context might not be offensive, and the rules are selectively enforced, where I scratch my head a bit..

Context always makes a difference.
Slurs are against the rules regardless of context, but the default infraction is only 6 points, not a ban. However if it's clear from the context that it's not actually being used as a slur and the user has no history of similar infractions, they might even get away with a warning. Conversely obvious racism might result in an immediate ban.
There's all sorts of similar contextual differences. White belts don't get many chances. Retread accounts likewise. Accounts that have been here over a decade without issue get more leniency. There's a bunch of users that are ban on sight if they evade the autonomous systems.
Even posting porn. One user hot linked to an image and the website he linked to changed the image to porn. He was temporarily banned, but allowed back within a week. There was a similar situation where a picture of Brock appeared substituted for a nude image for some users and not others.