War Room Lounge v67: Is Australia Real?

[Fawlty]

My god, this is right up there with anything I've ever seen for prolonged awkwardness. You're right, Eddie let Dick eat every second of it lol.

 

[Lead]

so @NoDak posted this in the interracial marriage thread:


which lead me to this one:



and holy shit is this hilarious.

the Host is bombing, so he ambushes Murphy with Nword discussion, Eddie plays it for laughs then proceeds to let the guy bomb deeper and deeper until the whole room doesn't know what to do.

somebody else has got to watch this

Yea, that was awful. He even references another low point of his show when he had a former racist governor on. Didn’t know it was him until he brought it up.

 

[HereticBD]

and holy shit is this hilarious.

the Host is bombing, so he ambushes Murphy with Nword discussion, Eddie plays it for laughs then proceeds to let the guy bomb deeper and deeper until the whole room doesn't know what to do.


somebody else has got to watch this

LOL, that's great. Reminds me of how an awkward PC white leftist would interview a guy like Dave Chappelle today...

 

[spin]

My god, this is right up there with anything I've ever seen for prolonged awkwardness. You're right, Eddie let Dick eat every second of it lol.

he was just like i'll take my little career hit for this, but you're dying alone tonight

 

[BarryDillon]

 

[spin]

Yea, that was awful. He even references another low point of his show when he had a former racist governor on. Didn’t know it was him until he brought it up.

it was amazing


also i hate giphy so much

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

LOL, that's great. Reminds me of how an awkward PC white leftist would interview a guy like Dave Chappelle today...

They would attempt gotcha questions, try and set him up to make him appear to be a bigot...and then after take to Twitter and social media to doxx him, and censor him

 

[Sketch]

So how about that Kavanaugh thread?

 

[squeezewax]

I really hope so coz i've been told that's where i am at this moment! If i'm not in Aussie then where the fuck am i?

 

[InternetHero]

I have so many Aussie colleagues we might as well change the University department to the "Men at Work," department.

Great mates for sure.

 

[Trotsky]

so @NoDak posted this in the interracial marriage thread:

Maddox actually opened with a pretty funny line. And Brown handled it with class. I sometimes forget how much remarkable poise Jim Brown had for being a black athlete in the 1970s.

Really, though, it's also remarkable to me that Maddox was more forthright and sincere in that discussion that 99% of conservative governmental officials today. He voiced his actual opinions about race preservation rather than regurgitating half-baked conservative talking points and merely dog whistling those beliefs.

 

[spin]

Maddox actually opened with a pretty funny line. And Brown handled it with class. I sometimes forget how much remarkable poise Jim Brown had for being a black athlete in the 1970s.

Really, though, it's also remarkable to me that Maddox was more forthright and sincere in that discussion that 99% of conservative governmental officials today. He voiced his actual opinions about race preservation rather than regurgitating half-baked conservative talking points and merely dog whistling those beliefs.

yeah it was a really good watch.

a part that Maddox never got called on, he had just got done saying he didn't want anyone to be forced to segregate or live together, then went right into being all for forcing Muhammad Ali into fighting the Vietnam War.

literally the very next topic

 

[InternetHero]

Maddox actually opened with a pretty funny line. And Brown handled it with class. I sometimes forget how much remarkable poise Jim Brown had for being a black athlete in the 1970s.

Really, though, it's also remarkable to me that Maddox was more forthright and sincere in that discussion that 99% of conservative governmental officials today. He voiced his actual opinions about race preservation rather than regurgitating half-baked conservative talking points and merely dog whistling those beliefs.

How many people right and left have a deep understanding of race, culture, and their interplay in history or society?

Most people are just eating a few chicken nuggets out of the Happy Meal.

By design, we could never agree on these things anyway, the right has no working framework at all outside of a smidgen of active (and aging) intellectuals, and the left's is contradictory on which factions to favor and which to denounce and which to applaud.

There are some good social changes buried in there. Part of my family and others tried to turn away from their heritage, and then two generations later, the forces of popular culture want to celebrate it.

Makes us all wonder if it all really mattered to begin with...

But you're right too, in false consciousness most are going to share, by what standard can be erected to rise past?

Most people are not going to want to see their bias, however, I am all in favor of giving them real tools of deeper discernment to see past.

Better than the shifting shadows and dancing puppets of whatever story today's modern primitive likes to himself about himself.

 

[Islam Imamate]

yeah it was a really good watch.

a part that Maddox never got called on, he had just got done saying he didn't want anyone to be forced to segregate or live together, then went right into being all for forcing Muhammad Ali into fighting the Vietnam War.

literally the very next topic

Speaking of Muhammad Ali and race mixing...

 

[Limbo Pete]

Really, though, it's also remarkable to me that Maddox was more forthright and sincere in that discussion that 99% of conservative governmental officials today. He voiced his actual opinions about race preservation rather than regurgitating half-baked conservative talking points and merely dog whistling those beliefs.

It's not remarkable at all, bud. This type of worldview is so deeply entrenched in our history, our society, the fabric of our country that major political figures openly advocating segregation is just a stones throw backward. And it's precisely his forthright nature, and the ensuing loss of rhetorical viability that reactionary social thinking suffered through the civil rights era, that lead to the dog whistling of today. His way of looking at things suffered a very forceful, public loss, which made embracing those ideas not only wrong, but also the ideas of a loser. It's losing rhetoric. But what about his kids? What did he teach them? I'd wager the same exact damn shit. But they grew up in a world where it was rapidly marginalized, so strategies for shelf space had to change.
1970.... really not that long ago. Not long ago at all.

 

[spin]

Speaking of Muhammad Ali and race mixing...

i agree with his Vietnam stance, and admire the consequences he was willing to endure for it


other than that, he was an massive asshole

 

[Islam Imamate]

i agree with his Vietnam stance, and admire the consequences he was willing to endure for it


other than that, he was an massive asshole

To be fair I bet he changed his mind on that issue. He was a black separatist in his youth and his split with Malcolm X was over the latter abandoning the NOI and its black separatism. IIRC Ali said later that turning his back on Malcolm was one of his greatest regrets.

Though to some extent I see his point. I don't care what race or nationality my grandkids are but I would hope that they at least speak English. I can't speak my father's native language and that eats at me. And honestly being mixed kind of sucks sometimes, each side still sees you as the "other". You never fit in with either. @LogicalInsanity and I have talked about this a bit, the perils of being mixed.

 

[Trotsky]

It's not remarkable at all, bud. This type of worldview is so deeply entrenched in our history, our society, the fabric of our country that major political figures openly advocating segregation is just a stones throw backward. And it's precisely his forthright nature, and the ensuing loss of rhetorical viability that reactionary social thinking suffered through the civil rights era, that lead to the dog whistling of today. His way of looking at things suffered a very forceful, public loss, which made embracing those ideas not only wrong, but also the ideas of a loser. It's losing rhetoric. But what about his kids? What did he teach them? I'd wager the same exact damn shit. But they grew up in a world where it was rapidly marginalized, so strategies for shelf space had to change.
1970.... really not that long ago. Not long ago at all.

I wasn't meaning "it's remarkable" as in "I can't believe these views exist."

I was meaning that it's remarkable how much more productive, for lack of a better word, the conversation is when it's actually about the key subject. Nowadays, even though such a politician would realistically derive their support from the same dog whistled beliefs, they posture themselves according to political positions that their supporters don't actually, or at least passionately, support and for which there aren't authentic reasons for support: lower taxes for the rich, hostility to union rights and economic regulation, etc. A Southerner will now be more likely to hedge their position with fear mongering about socialism, i.e. something that, historically, the South had supported.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I wasn't meaning "it's remarkable" as in "I can't believe these views exist."

I was meaning that it's remarkable how much more productive, for lack of a better word, the conversation is when it's actually about the key subject. Nowadays, even though such a politician would realistically derive their support from the same dog whistled beliefs, they posture themselves according to political positions that their supporters don't actually, or at least passionately, support and for which there aren't authentic reasons for support: lower taxes for the rich, hostility to union rights and economic regulation, etc. A Southerner will now be more likely to hedge their position with fear mongering about socialism, i.e. something that, historically, the South had supported.

Sure, but productive for who? If you're the kind of guy that thinks segregation was great (*cough Greoric cough*), and you hold office, then you might want to try and do what you can to at least support the legacy... but the view itself is a total loser. It's got no gravitas with people that still agree. The conversation needs some sort of cover, pretext, whatever to compartmentalize the prejudice or it can't be legitimate as a topic of discussion. And without rhetorical legitimacy, translating words into disenfranchisement is harder to do, particularly under cover of false victimhood.

 

[JamesRussler]

@Kafir-kun and @HereticBD :

I like both of you guys a lot, so I’m gonna pull a @Cubo de Sangre and sit on the sidelines to avoid taking a strong position that might offend someone.

As for everyone else, I like all of you—even @Trotsky and @Limbo Pete (my most heated detractors). Each of you brings something to the table. You are all great in your own way. All of you, except @Rational Poster , for whom I feel nothing.