War Room Lounge v67: Is Australia Real?

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[Trotsky]

In all cereals, this is like....a fundamental part of Shapiro's "debate" style: to weave a bunch of patently incorrect statements into his argument, disguised as mere factual underpinning or foundation-laying, and then, if/when you try to address any or all one-at-a-time, fast-talk several more into the litigation of each initial lie.

Posters here do it too, although less skillfully. Lfd0311 is probably the most notable purveyor of this strategy of throwing out several errant arguments and, when you knock down each one, splitting each one of your responses into three more arguments (and again and again) while insisting that failure to reconcile any of these new generations of arguments thus validates the initial one. Posters like nostradumbass may try, or seem to try, to replicate the tactic but end up tying themselves in knots, as it does take some minimal clarity and vision.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It's your preference. If you're slinging around shit about people being white race traitors, don't be surprised if you get treated like, say, a boat person or an Uncle Zhang.

this is great!

keep it up!

 

[Fawlty]

this is great!

keep it up!

Well, what standard do you want? Because if the standard is lobbing racial and race-traitor-based insults, that puts us all in a shitty spot. Go on, explain how it should be.

 

[panamaican]

Thank goodness there's a term for the average Thursday night in the WR.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Being racist against Asians is just microracism.

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[Social Distance Warrior]

Well, what standard do you want? Because if the standard is lobbing racial and race-traitor-based insults, that puts us all in a shitty spot. Go on, explain how it should be.

I just always knew you leftist fucks, (especially WPEMs) were racist...always racist.

 

[Ruprecht]

In all cereals, this is like....a fundamental part of Shapiro's "debate" style: to weave a bunch of patently incorrect statements into his argument, disguised as mere factual underpinning or foundation-laying, and then, if/when you try to address any or all one-at-a-time, fast-talk several more into the litigation of each initial lie.

Posters here do it too, although less skillfully. Lfd0311 is probably the most notable purveyor of this strategy of throwing out several errant arguments and, when you knock down each one, splitting each one of your responses into three more arguments (and again and again) while insisting that failure to reconcile any of these new generations of arguments thus validates the initial one. Posters like nostradumbass may try, or seem to try, to replicate the tactic but end up tying themselves in knots, as it does take some minimal clarity and vision.

There's never been a shortage of posters employing the Gish Gallop.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Well, what standard do you want? Because if the standard is lobbing racial and race-traitor-based insults, that puts us all in a shitty spot. Go on, explain how it should be.

please go on...tell us my racially, woke friend....what else do you feel about Asians?

 

[Fawlty]

I just always knew you leftist fucks, (especially WPEMs) were racist...always racist.

You'll have to come down out of your safe space though. Here, you've found an extremely derogatory and racist term that you think you can get away with, so you happily use it. When it's illustrated back to you in a form you don't immediately recognize, your impulse is to call it racism.

Well, which is it? You're attempting to free-ride your racism into your politics, without accountability and retaining the right to cry racism into a mirror. You'll have to get your shit straight on this one, and not treat it like it's some kind of a war, or a CrossFit sesh.

 

[Jack V Savage]

There's never been a shortage of posters employing the Gish Gallop.

Related but maybe distinct was my favorite: The Wikileaks dump thread. Someone tagged me in and asked for a comment, and I'm like, "what am I supposed to comment on?" And the link was to hundreds of pages with nothing really spelled out. I asked what the best examples of whatever they were talking about were. No one could actually point out what they found to be so bad, but lots of people were outraged by the question.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You'll have to come down out of your safe space though. Here, you've found an extremely derogatory and racist term that you think you can get away with, so you happily use it. When it's illustrated back to you in a form you don't immediately recognize, your impulse is to call it racism.

Well, which is it? You're attempting to free-ride your racism into your politics, without accountability and retaining the right to cry racism into a mirror. You'll have to get your shit straight on this one, and not treat it like it's some kind of a war, or a CrossFit sesh.

Yeah, @LogicalInsanity, I don't really think that inventing new terms to dehumanize your opponents, in vaguely racist ways, really accomplishes anything positive. And if you're going to make a schtick of accusing everyone else of being racist, using that term undermines it.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

You'll have to come down out of your safe space though. Here, you've found an extremely derogatory and racist term that you think you can get away with, so you happily use it. When it's illustrated back to you in a form you don't immediately recognize, your impulse is to call it racism.

Well, which is it? You're attempting to free-ride your racism into your politics, without accountability and retaining the right to cry racism into a mirror. You'll have to get your shit straight on this one, and not treat it like it's some kind of a war, or a CrossFit sesh.

LOL...this is great. you're showing your true colors. (no pun intended).

Please continue.

 

[Fawlty]

LOL...this is great. you're showing your true colors. (no pun intended).

Please continue.

If you want to do it over PM, that's fine too. I know there's an audience and you have trouble controlling the audience factor. Puts me at an unfair disadvantage. I think that your stock responses here show that you're uncomfortable with the subject because it's been shown back to you, and you see that it's ugly (that's a good thing). It happened the last time we talked about your racial slur, too.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Yeah, @LogicalInsanity, I don't really think that inventing new terms to dehumanize your opponents, in vaguely racist ways, really accomplishes anything positive. And if you're going to make a schtick of accusing everyone else of being racist, using that term undermines it.

Sorry, but it is such an apt fit for people like Fawlty and other WPEMs like him. so cookie cutter and predictable. but it's fine....I've grown up with racist and racism in many different forms...like your boy Fawlty has clearly demonstrated in this thread.

but it's cool...I know you guys stick together.

 

[Ruprecht]

Related but maybe distinct was my favorite: The Wikileaks dump thread. Someone tagged me in and asked for a comment, and I'm like, "what am I supposed to comment on?" And the link was to hundreds of pages with nothing really spelled out. I asked what the best examples of whatever they were talking about were. No one could actually point out what they found to be so bad, but lots of people were outraged by the question.

Yeah, the ability to use cut and paste spam or links makes the Gish Gallop too easy on message boards. There was even a short lived poster that made a gimmick of it. Machine gun something I think.
Posters that break the post they are replying to down into sub-sentence sections and give multiple paragraph responses while ignoring the overall argument are also doing a similar thing. Another form of volume based argumentation.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

If you want to do it over PM, that's fine too. I know there's an audience and you have trouble controlling the audience factor. Puts me at an unfair disadvantage. I think that your stock responses here show that you're uncomfortable with the subject because it's been shown back to you, and you see that it's ugly (that's a good thing). It happened the last time we talked about your racial slur, too.

dude..I love an audience...and I don't give a fu*k about my "comfort level". like I said, I've dealt with racists like you before...this is nothing new.

I'm just glad this forum got to see the real you.

 

[Fawlty]

dude..I love an audience...and I don't give a fu*k about my "comfort level". like I said, I've dealt with racists like you before...this is nothing new.

I'm just glad this forum got to see the real you.

That doesn't really work when you have a racist slur right there in your custom text. I'll check back in this evening to see I've you've made your way into the light.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

That’s not true. I love everyone. <3
Except you. I am ambivalent toward you.

That doesn't mean you don't care Jim, it means you're torn.
You can't decide whether you love @Rational Poster or hate him.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Sorry, but it is such an apt fit for people like Fawlty and other WPEMs like him. so cookie cutter and predictable. but it's fine....I've grown up with racist and racism in many different forms...like your boy Fawlty has clearly demonstrated in this thread.

Isn't "WPEM" insulting people for not being racists, though? Calling white people who support equality traitors to their race? And aside from that, it's better to address arguments rather than try to demonstrate that you don't need to think because people who disagree with you are evil monsters (and unfortunate tendency on the right today).