War Room Lounge v65

[all caps]

OK. Stop derailing threads with off topic nonsense or you'll be reply banned.

Fuck off

 

[Sketch]

Fuck off

LOL

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Fuck off

Dude, take it easy

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Dude, take it easy

I would put Sniper below you, hockey, and even Heretic when he's not being a cunt as far as "the other side" posters go.

But @SIRGAY HARITONOB! @Ruprecht is one of the best mods there is.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I would put Sniper below you, hockey, and even Heretic when he's not being a cunt as far as "the other side" posters go.

But @SIRGAY HARITONOB! @Ruprecht is one of the best mods there is.

I have no idea what's going on or why sirgay is pissed.

Ruprecht is one of the better mods here. I have him at #2

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Fuck off

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Fuck off

 

[Fawlty]

@Quipling
Civ 5
One City Challenge, turn 264 (1770s A.D.) Science Victory

@Quipling
Make that turn 242 One City Science Victory, 1660 A.D. (Korea w/3 Salt, floodplains w/Desert Folklore, shitty 2.5 tile Petra [built it tho], mountain/river, Venice in the game stealing muh city states)

I retire imo. It's totally possible to win in the 230s or maybe even 220s on one city if you're Rainman, but I'm not going to restart 500x to get a perfect one. OCC Science category is dead to me.

 

[Prokofievian]

It looks like your definition is different from Crystal's. Crystal's definition didn't appear to make room for context. In English, we have {a,b,...,z} U {'!','%','.','^',...} as the permanent set of graphemes. It doesn't matter what sentence or word we are talking about.

"I don't eat."

"I don't eat pizza."

I don't think "pizza" becomes a grapheme just because it adds new meaning and can't be reduced further. The reason is that in at least one other context (in reality, many contexts), some of the components of "pizza" like 'p' can change the meaning of a phrase and can't be reduced.

So, even if English orthography functions differently that doesn't mean that you might not need multiple levels of graphemes for another language. It's been a while since I went to the British Museum but they have quite many examples of hieroglyphs and cuneiform. In both of these writing systems, they were once purely pictographic. Then they became more phonetic. However some symbols had both their old meaning, and their new phonetic function, and the language was mixed. The same may have been the case for runes. So at some point, which appears to be the case with chinese, you have a mixture of ideograms and other building blocks. Which of these is ''smaller''?

Even the "pure pictograms" you're referring to (象形字) are composed of common radicals. Examples are 馬 and 龜. With 龜 we can see e.g., the very common radical 丿(name:撇). So again, it seems dubious to claim that 馬 or 龜 is a grapheme.

With 好, we have two radicals 女 and 子. Removing either one would change the meaning at the level of the word and the sentence, so both 女 and 子 are candidates for graphemes. But even these radicals can be decomposed into smaller "units capable of causing a contrast in meaning". For example, 子 is composed of a 一 and a 了, both of which are "capable of causing a contrast in meaning" in many contexts.

So, if they're composed of syntactic and phonetic radicals it would make sense that those would be the graphemes. But, for example, is the character for sun really composed? Or the character for 3?

 

[tonni]

 

[Deleted member 539235]

"hey, we gave you israel, right? now shut the fuck up"

ben shapiro:

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[JDragon]

The definition that Mr Crystal gave indicates that a grapheme is "the smallest unit capable of causing a change in meaning." Therefore the standard character 師 cannot be a grapheme under this definition since the horizontal stroke on the right side changes the meaning of the character and is smaller than the whole character.

Well, there obviously seem to be competing definitions. Wiki says


Graphemes include alphabetic letters, typographic ligatures, Chinese characters, numerical digits, punctuation marks, and other individual symbols. A grapheme can also be construed as a graphical sign that independently represents a portion of linguistic material.

So the question would be whether the horizontal bar would *independently* already be a portion of linguistic material under that definition.

Taking the definition you presented, the definition of a grapheme would be context-dependent (the smallest unit which can alter meaning depends on context, as you demonstrated) which would make the assessment of whether something is a grapheme or not impossible to answer with a yes or no.

Spoiler

I appreciate the extreme nerdiness of this discussion btw

 

[curryjunkie]

Fuck off

 

[Prokofievian]

Fuck off

So much for the tolerant internet troll.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Stupid American here

Is Dutch the Netherlands or Denmark? I swear I can find things referring to both as Dutch, but yet the term Dutch is used very often with no clarification of which country the incident is happening in.

 

[all caps]

So much for the tolerant internet troll.

Good people dont tolerate nazis. Be a better person.

 

[Trotsky]

Stupid American here

Is Dutch the Netherlands or Denmark? I swear I can find things referring to both as Dutch, but yet the term Dutch is used very often with no clarification of which country the incident is happening in.

Netherlands. Denmark = Danish.

 

[tonni]

Sometimes I kind of believe in the reptilian thing? Like not really believe but more of a "well why not" attitude, I mean some of these guys do look pretty weird.

Clearly not reptilian but insectoid, though.

 

[tonni]

Netherlands. Denmark = Danish.

The Flemish side of Belgium speaks a Dutch dialect, you ignoramus.