War Room Lounge v6

[Trotsky]

@Trotsky are you claiming that education makes you more ethical? Your Hegel is showing. I have entertained the idea myself. That ethics are key to knowledge. The royal road. If you are true to everything you read you will be fine. Don't have to believe it, just remember it as is.

No, I'm not arguing that.

I'm arguing that access to, and openness toward, information about changing social norms makes one more respectful of and deferential to them.

Just look at the divide between educated and non-educated persons on contemporary issues of race and sex. Elite universities are deeply blue dots in advocacy for LGBTQ rights and for feminist organization, while fly over country sees LGBTQ rights and feminists as a tide of satanic heresy.

 

[JonesBones]

The best rebuttal to Marx was actually done by Freud. None of this shit matters. Religion. Capitalism. Communism. Humans will find a way to fight each otherL

“The Communists believe they have found the path to deliverance from our evils. According to them, man is wholly good and is well disposed to his neighbor; but the institution of private property has corrupted his nature. The ownership of private wealth gives the individual power, and with it the temptation to ill treat his neighbor; while the man who is excluded from possession is bound to rebel in hostility against his oppressor. If private property were abolished, all wealth held in common, and everyone allowed to share in the enjoyment of it, ill will and hostility would disappear among men. Since everyone’s needs would be satisfied, no one would have any reason to regard another as his enemy; all would willingly undertake the work that was necessary. I have no concern with any economic criticisms of the communist system; I cannot enquire into whether the abolition of private property is expedient or advantageous.1 But I am able to recognize that the psychological premises on which the system is based are an untenable illusion. In abolishing private property we deprive the human love of aggression of one of its instruments, certainly a strong one, though certainly not the strongest; but we have in no way altered the differences in power and influence which are misused by aggressiveness, nor have we altered anything in its nature. Aggressiveness was not created by property. It reigned almost without limit in primitive times, when property was still very scanty, and it already shows itself in the nursery almost before property has given up its primal, anal form; it forms the basis of every relation of affection and love among people (with the single exception, perhaps, of the mother’s relation to her male child). If we do away with personal rights over material wealth, there still remains prerogative in the field of sexual relationships, which is bound to become the source of the strongest dislike and the most violent hostility among men who in other respects are on an equal footing. If we were to remove this factor, too, by allowing complete freedom of sexual life and thus abolishing the family, the germ-cell of civilization, we cannot, it is true, easily foresee what new paths the development of civilization could take; but one thing we can expect, and that is that this indestructible feature of human nature will follow it there.

 

[JonesBones]

No, I'm not arguing that.

I'm arguing that access to, and openness toward, information about changing social norms makes one more respectful of and deferential to them.

Just look at the divide between educated and non-educated persons on contemporary issues of race and sex. Elite universities are deeply blue dots in advocacy for LGBTQ rights and for feminist organization, while fly over country sees LGBTQ rights and feminists as a tide of satanic heresy.

I'm sorry man but a janitor is no more a pervert than a scientist. And I think the biggest factor is race. Whites are much more likely to support lgbt rights than blacks period. Fact.

 

[Trotsky]

I'm sorry man but a janitor is no more a pervert than a scientist. And I think the biggest factor is race. Whites are much more likely to support lgbt rights than blacks period. Fact.

You don't seem to be understanding the informational difference: it has nothing to do with "being a pervert" in terms of natural behavioral state.

As far as your suggestion on race, you're wading into territory that I won't tolerate to discuss. Black folks are poorer, less educated, and more religious. All three of those factors correlate negatively with social progressivism, egalitarianism, and political empathy generally. Holding for those factors, there is absolutely disparity at all. And, even including them, the disparity is nevertheless rapidly evaporating despite persistent economic and informational inequality.

 

[JonesBones]

You don't seem to be understanding the informational difference: it has nothing to do with "being a pervert" in terms of natural behavioral state.

As far as your suggestion on race, you're wading into territory that I won't tolerate to discuss. Black folks are poorer, less educated, and more religious. All three of those factors correlate negatively with social progressivism, egalitarianism, and political empathy generally. Holding for those factors, there is absolutely disparity at all. And, even including them, the disparity is nevertheless rapidly evaporating despite persistent economic and informational inequality.

I am saying that many men can go through fields made up of mostly men and still not have a clue about women. They don't pick up on those cues.

There are more poor white people than poor black people. So we can remove economics right from the start.

It is funny how everything ends up being equal. The universe is an equation. Of course when all things are said and done people are equal. That is just like a law of the universe...

To quote a very educated scientist:

"I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system." -James Watson

Another example of a scientist who doesn't give a fuck. Of course the whole scientific community will speak out against him but that is irrelevant. Of course he has been blacklisted. He has to sell his Nobel to make money now. Hope you are happy.

 

[JonesBones]

It is funny though that the first genome ever sequenced was a racist white guy.

 

[JonesBones]

Which has more water, or are they equal? I bet almost everyone in here gets this wrong.

 

[JonesBones]

Watching stuff on Waco now. Why do so many people think they are Jesus? I have my own pet theory.

 

[Trotsky]

I am saying that many men can go through fields made up of mostly men and still not have a clue about women. They don't pick up on those cues.

There are more poor white people than poor black people. So we can remove economics right from the start.

It is funny how everything ends up being equal. The universe is an equation. Of course when all things are said and done people are equal. That is just like a law of the universe...

To quote a very educated scientist:

"I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system." -James Watson

Another example of a scientist who doesn't give a fuck. Of course the whole scientific community will speak out against him but that is irrelevant. Of course he has been blacklisted. He has to sell his Nobel to make money now. Hope you are happy.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Your demographic ignorance aside (re "there are more poor white people than poor black people), nothing in this post refutes the socioeconomic reasons for black social conservatism.

 

[JonesBones]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Your demographic ignorance aside (re "there are more poor white people than poor black people), nothing in this post refutes the socioeconomic reasons for black social conservatism.

There are more whites in poverty in this country than blacks. That is a fact.

 

[Trotsky]

There are more whites in poverty in this country than blacks. That is a fact.

I don't know how to explain this without sounding patronizing.

There are 4x as many white people. Therefore, even if black people are 2x as likely to be poor, there will be still be more poor white people. But metrics on opinions are not measured in terms of raw numbers. If that were the case, then white people would be the most racist, most nonracist, most religious, most nonreligious, most Democratic, most Republican demographic in the country.

A larger percentage of black folks are poor, have limited access to information and education, and are thereby more tethered to religion and to previous forms of social thought. There is nothing biological that makes black folks more hostile to LGBTQ activism. In fact, if you hold education constant, the most socially liberal people in the country are highly educated black women.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Watching stuff on Waco now. Why do so many people think they are Jesus? I have my own pet theory.

Hmmm idk, but check this article out.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/08/new-messiahs-jesus-christ-second-coming-photos/

I’ve actually seen that Matayoshi Jesus guy lmao.

 

[JonesBones]

I don't know how to explain this without sounding patronizing.

There are 4x as many white people. Therefore, even if black people are 2x as likely to be poor, there will be still be more poor white people. But metrics on opinions are measured in terms of raw numbers. If that were the case, then white people would be the most racist, most nonracist, most religious, most nonreligious, most Democratic, most Republican demographic in the country.

A larger percentage of black folks are poor, have limited access to information and education, and are thereby more tethered to religion and to previous forms of social thought. There is nothing biological that makes black folks more hostile to LGBTQ activism. In fact, if you hold education constant, the most socially liberal people in the country are highly educated black women.

What I said stands. There are more poor white people than black people in america. You aren't telling me anything I don't know.

 

[JonesBones]

Hmmm idk, but check this article out.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/08/new-messiahs-jesus-christ-second-coming-photos/

I’ve actually seen that Matayoshi Jesus guy lmao.

Imagine psychological states or thought loops are like ditches in the road. Your thoughts are balls or whatever that get trapped in there. You get locked in a particular thought process. It is very hard to explain and I have been through it myself and don't even like talking about it. But Jesus had something like an Oedipus complex. Or some Freudian things. Modern researchers have suggested the same. So when people get their thoughts stuck in that ditch, the only cultural reference point they have is Jesus. So they think he is him. I thought I was going through the same thing as Jesus was but had Freud to talk me down. I could come up with another explanation. You could name this condition after Jesus like Lou Gehrig disease. It is a real condition. lol. For people who have been exposed culturally to the idea of Jesus you start realizing you are him. Because he is the most famous guy who had it. Truly wise people don't create religions. They know better. Like me.

 

[Trotsky]

The best rebuttal to Marx was actually done by Freud. None of this shit matters. Religion. Capitalism. Communism. Humans will find a way to fight each otherL

“The Communists believe they have found the path to deliverance from our evils. According to them, man is wholly good and is well disposed to his neighbor; but the institution of private property has corrupted his nature. The ownership of private wealth gives the individual power, and with it the temptation to ill treat his neighbor; while the man who is excluded from possession is bound to rebel in hostility against his oppressor. If private property were abolished, all wealth held in common, and everyone allowed to share in the enjoyment of it, ill will and hostility would disappear among men.

This is a wholly fraudulent representation of Marxian theory, though, as relates to human nature or lack thereof.

The sixth of the Theses on Feuerbach, written in 1845, provided an early discussion by Marx of the concept of human nature. It states:

Feuerbach resolves the essence of religion into the essence of man [menschliches Wesen = ‘human nature’]. But the essence of man is no abstraction inherent in each single individual. In reality, it is the ensemble of the social relations. Feuerbach, who does not enter upon a criticism of this real essence is hence obliged:

1. To abstract from the historical process and to define the religious sentiment regarded by itself, and to presuppose an abstract — isolated - human individual.
2. The essence therefore can by him only be regarded as ‘species’, as an inner ‘dumb’ generality which unites many individuals only in a natural way.[2]
Thus, Marx appears to say that human nature is no more than what is made by the 'social relations'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_human_nature

Also, Marx, despite appearances to the contrary, was certainly influenced by Hobbes, and has been argued to present a Hobbesian perspective under very different social conditions, who had a not-so-bright view of human nature.

While I think you will find some allusions to human goodness from promoters (not analysts) of Marx (like Che), serious analysis of Marxian philosophy has centered around defanging whatever human element exists - to the extent that it exists outside of its response to stimuli and conditions - to keep it from eating itself.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

So many libtards in here don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The same names in every thread blabbing away like we don't know they are some fat husk of shit behind their monitor.

 

[IGIT]

So many libtards in here don't know what the fuck they're talking about. The same names in every thread blabbing away like we don't know they are some fat husk of shit behind their monitor.

*high fives former POTUS Palis*

well said!

- IGIT

 

[Limbo Pete]

Watching stuff on Waco now. Why do so many people think they are Jesus? I have my own pet theory.

With that particular event, it's helpful to go back well before the siege. The Davidians were a known commodity for decades and had a pretty nasty power struggle that resulted in Koresh taking unilateral control. One thing i've found is that people take an either/or approach to understanding what happened. Like, concluding that because the government fucked everything up... that must mean the Davidians weren't doing anything wrong. In reality, it was both. The gov bungled that to a preposterous degree, and the Davidians were also a bunch of brainwashed nutjobs ruled by a cunning yet crazy ego maniac phile with delusions of Christ .

 

[Lavalamp]

Limbo what is the right way to deal with a group stockpiling millions of rounds of ammo, modifying guns

if the reports are true, David knew the raid was coming 45 minutes or more before it came, he could have walked out of the compound and let the ATF confiscate the modified guns, and grenades (if those were illegal), and had the scene be resolved peacefully.

If the reports are true, 7 of 9 people who came out of the compund at the end had accelerants on them, and there is audio of members talking about hay and pouring fuel and David ordering to pour fuel, and an eyewitness. The FBI can’t enter the building to stop people from commiting suicide, because they are armed to the teeth and have shown a willingness to use their weapons.

If there was a madman living in Waco, how do you negotiate with a madman? It seems David wanted a fight.

 

[JonesBones]

With that particular event, it's helpful to go back well before the siege. The Davidians were a known commodity for decades and had a pretty nasty power struggle that resulted in Koresh taking unilateral control. One thing i've found is that people take an either/or approach to understanding what happened. Like, concluding that because the government fucked everything up... that must mean the Davidians weren't doing anything wrong. In reality, it was both. The gov bungled that to a preposterous degree, and the Davidians were also a bunch of brainwashed nutjobs ruled by a cunning yet crazy ego maniac phile with delusions of Christ .

Your sig is obnoxious. But ya, it pointed out that Davidians existed for at least 50 years before this incident and broke off from 7th day church.

I don't like the police but you can't fuckin create a compound with tons of weapons. Automatic weapons. Grenades. You can't do that. lol. I haven't watched enough to have an opinion on how bad the govt botched it.

One funny thing is it became a cause for white power people when there were quite a few minorities in the compound. Koresh wasnt racist. I dont think anyway.

But the arrogance of Koresh. One of the negotiators is telling him his 7th seal shit is nonsense. If it didnt naturally come true, Koresh would make it come true. It was a self fulling prophecy