War Room Lounge V36: Liquor in the rear, too

[Captain Davis]

Don’t look at me like that Pete.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Don’t look at me like that Pete.

You bring it on yourself, bud

 

[Islam Imamate]

It’s different because the Union apologists want you to believe they went to war, where over 600,000 Americans were killed, for a noble cause. Do you agree that doing that over money was acceptable?

I think it was a net gain for the US in the end so despite the very human, political motivations at play I think the Union was ultimately the more moral(or should I say less immoral?) party.

What pro-slavery ethics are there? The only ethical reason for the South to fight was to maintain sovereignty. And yeah, that's quite a bit different than a profit-motive.

The people of the time very much thought that the most ethical way to organize society was to have Africans beneath whites. Of course that's not mutually exclusive to fighting for the profit motive or for "muh state's rights"

So yes you see a difference in fighting for slavery for ethical reasons than for profit motive? Do you think then that the Confederate's had a just cause knowing that the state's rights issue they were most concerned about was the preservation of slavery?

 

[Prokofievian]

Defoes my fav English suite, although I do prefer the French suites.



Love that bassline.

 

[Higus]

Seems like quite a difference if you're ending slavery out of ethics vs. financial gain.

I already pointed out. I can agree that there is an argument that the morality of slavery may not be the central cause of the war, but slavery as an institution is still at the core.
Personally, I don't know how you can escape the morality of slavery when looking at the issue today. Trying to defend the Confederates is a pointless hill to die on in 2019.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

Reported preemptively

Reported

K serious question re: US Civil War - what is the real point of difference between the two sides being debated here? The few things I've ever read about it (the last being a chapter in a history of the American economy, for example), have always seemed to take it for granted that slavery and economics were joint reasons for the war.

Is the argument about whether or not slavery would have been worth going to war for without the economic judgement behind its acceptability?

@Captain Davis
@Limbo Pete

 

[Gregolian]

Defoes my fav English suite, although I do prefer the French suites.



Love that bassline.

My final piano recital before I graduated high school I did the prelude for that Bach English suite, Chopin's Fantasie Impromtpu and some Rachmaninoff prelude but I can't remember which one.

 

[JDragon]

I don't see where you got that idea. Abusing the report button though makes our job much more difficult and that's all I have commented on. We know what we are supposed to do beyond that to answer the second part. There are many things you guys don't see so I can't expect you to be aware of them. Obviously I can't discuss anything from the both so hopefully that answer is sufficient.

Abusing the report function is not the point, you are not really addressing my question: Do you think reports are helpful to mod the forums? Or would you personally rather do away with the reporting function in general?

And yes, I am sure the workings of the mods are very mysterious, but what is the primary function of a mod here? Facilitate discussion? Enforce the rules? Etc.

 

[Higus]

I've reported myself for posting something in the wrong thread and couldn't find the way to delete the post or when the system glitches and double/triple posts.

COWARD!

 

[Anung Un Rama]

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

So yes you see a difference in fighting for slavery for ethical reasons than for profit motive? Do you think then that the Confederate's had a just cause knowing that the state's rights issue they were most concerned about was the preservation of slavery?

Sure, in the sense that one thing exists (profit-motive) and the other doesn't (ethics to justify slavery).

Forcing the states to remain part of the union was/is immoral.

 

[Sous-la-pluie]

question is, u kno, because i like you as a human being, what the fuck is going on with u (reporting)? you're getting one shot in the mouth after the other. next thing ur going to be in a nursing home

 

[LMP]

I don't see where you got that idea. Abusing the report button though makes our job much more difficult and that's all I have commented on. We know what we are supposed to do beyond that to answer the second part. There are many things you guys don't see so I can't expect you to be aware of them. Obviously I can't discuss anything from the both so hopefully that answer is sufficient.

So as long as I keep my historic average of only 3 reports a day, I should be ok.

 

[Prokofievian]

My final piano recital before I graduated high school I did the prelude for that Bach English suite, Chopin's Fantasie Impromtpu and some Rachmaninoff prelude but I can't remember which one.

Gonna bet some money it was the C sharp minor one. Although two pretty heavy pieces in the same key, back to back, is a bit much.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I already pointed out. I can agree that there is an argument that the morality of slavery may not be the central cause of the war, but slavery as an institution is still at the core.
Personally, I don't know how you can escape the morality of slavery when looking at the issue today. Trying to defend the Confederates is a pointless hill to die on in 2019.

All I said was fighting to end slavery is different than fighting for financial gain. Seems irrefutable in terms of morality.

 

[Higus]

All I said was fighting to end slavery is different than fighting for financial gain. Seems irrefutable in terms of morality.

Agreed, but I'm an obnoxious communist.

 

[Prokofievian]

K serious question re: US Civil War - what is the real point of difference between the two sides being debated here? The few things I've ever read about it (the last being a chapter in a history of the American economy, for example), have always seemed to take it for granted that slavery and economics were joint reasons for the war.

Is the argument about whether or not slavery would have been worth going to war for without the economic judgement behind its acceptability?

@Captain Davis
@Limbo Pete

''The south dinevendunuffin.'' -Captain Davis

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

''The south dinevendunuffin.'' -Captain Davis

My really really brief take would be something like: it's naive to think that both sides weren't defending their own economic growth/wealth. But it's still better that slavery ended.

 

[Higus]

All I said was fighting to end slavery is different than fighting for financial gain. Seems irrefutable in terms of morality.

But really, even if you accept those terms, one side was fighting for financial gain and the other side was fighting for financial gain made via slavery. I don't think the south has moral high ground to stand on here.

 

[Gregolian]

Gonna bet some money it was the C sharp minor one. Although two pretty heavy pieces in the same key, back to back, is a bit much.

I'll need to do some searching when I get home. I remember one of the issues I had learning it was the left hand was in like a 2 beat pattern while the right was in a 3 beat so learning how to keep them separate save for the first initial beat was the biggest bitch to learning it.