Social War Room Lounge v260: Pls no bully Geg

[Arkain2K]

Just got my first Biontech shot. Man that feels good.

@Arkain2K

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Fuck are you even talkin' about?

I'm doing the opposite of telling people (let alone Southerners) what it means to display some version of that flag. But keep getting fucked up on all sorts of shit and going off on people. Fun stuff.

PS. I sure as fuck ain't rich. But I've shown up steady to a couple good jobs over the last 20 years, lived beneath my means, and didn't have kids, so it's provided me some cushion. Do the same from now until you're 50 and you too will be solidly middle-class.

See, that’s fascist. You are the fascist with statements like that.

Irony overload.

I despise leftists, but still They get protections of American law.

Yea thats about the only part I recall and don't want to Google it either. I can no longer recall the boot laces color guide either but I bet my life we both know someone who does.

@AgonyandIrony without looking do you still recall your skinhead lace colors sharp and bone ?

Lol forever.

Oh he does. I don't think he's capable of forgetting. Laces and braces are tattooed on his brain.

Y straps could get you jumped back in the day or if the braces were too wide you never got cut in.

The fucking Hammerskins man. They held my boy down when he was 16 and carved a swastika in his stomach because he wore red on red and was a SHARP. You never forget. I'll wear white braces with a black and red perry but red laces with the oxbloods. White laces will forever make me uncomfortable. Especially laced or laddered.

Noah Smith had an interesting bit on that recently(ish).

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/insurrection-thoughts-113



I'd like to hear @AgonyandIrony's take on some of the stuff described in one of those links.



^^^^ something you never hear anyone who isn't a rightist loon saying. Pretty sure you'd never see Adam Smith argue that the gov't should take over a business if it criticizes the president.

Well I mean. Ironic, considering the previous topic but no Nazi punks didn't really exist outside of the RAC scene. Mid 2000s punk rock involved some neo Nazi stuff that was against Oi! And street punk and a lot of stabbings and boot parties. Wild about how curb checks are considered a Nazi thing because of that movie but I've seen a couple and it's only happened to Neo Nazis.

Danzig and Johnny Rotten being far right shouldn't surprise anyone, the Sex Pistols were a fucking Boy band and the Misfits dropped a few good albums and for some reason their logo took off.

Fuck Danzig, fuck Jerry Only, fuck Malcom, and fuck Rotten. Sex Pistols only have like three good songs.

Those links are dumb, I don't know or care about metal, but punk should learn from 4chan?

I don't need to tell you the lyrics for punk songs about what to do with Nazis.

Punk rock will never be Nazi, I will never be close to right wing. There were shows across the US where you would get free admission for burning the American flag in the gravel parking lot. I don't ever see that being a white supremacist thing.

 

[Andy Capp]

Did you fill the room with uppercuts?

 

[Islam Imamate]

And everyone knows Sin City was the best comic book movie.

Haven't seen it yet but looks really cool. Despite my problems with its politics V for Vendetta is awesome.

That could be fun. Say Jesus starts out as a conman who uses prestidigitation to convince rubes that he's the messiah, but then gets in deeper than he wanted, and is bothered by the idea that people are really following him sincerely *and* that the heat wants to execute him in a most-fucked-up manner. While he considers his exit strategy, Judas finds out. Then Jesus figures out a way to fake his death and regroup to overthrow the gov't, but he does a double reverse and decides to skip town. Maybe leaves a note in the empty tomb apologizing and confessing, but one of his boys sees it and hides it.

If someone made a movie like that I'd throw a stink bomb in the nearest theater playing it.

Scott Pilgrim is better than all of them IMO (I mean the Batman movies, Conan, and Sin City).

I love Scott Pilgrim though I've heard the comic has a different ending which, to me at least, seems better than the film's ending.

I could talk at length about this subject. It's an extremely common theme in Western media. One example that I think I have talked about here is Parks & Recreation. Obviously, it's not a super serious work, but it puts forth a lot of conservative propaganda in my opinion about the futility of compassion and collective attempts at good and the bare pragmatism of Ay Randian selfishness.

Its arguably worse when its not serious, its like a Trojan Horse where people get exposed to those values in a format where they're less likely to be critical precisely because its a comedy. If its a serious work people will be more likely to think critically about the values of the work.

Even since I was a kid, I've always been disinterested in Batman/Superman crossovers. Two very different realities that I don't want to see merged.

Overall agree but I just thought that premise as a basis for a crossover was perfect.

On the topic of your commentary in re New Deal sensibilities, what did you think of Superman the Animated Series from the mid-90s? I remember liking it, but the only two things that stick out in my memory are the killing of that police chief guy by Darkseid and the portrayal of the Parasite villain that I found compelling.

Overall great but not as good as BTAS. Mainly I prefer the character designs of BTAS where each character has a more distinct look whereas in STAS most of the characters are eithe generic male or generic female with only tweaks to hair color/style, eye color, skin color, outfit and so on

I agree on Parasite, maybe my favorite villain from the series. As a Luddite skeptic of AI and unrestrained techno-optimism I appreciate the story of Brainiac as a cautionary tale. There's also cool story line between Apocalypse and Krypton. Darkseid's son is even more hideous than he is while the son of Krypton's leader is a handsome Kryptonion like any other. But eventually you find out that as part of the peace deal between the planets Darkseid and Krypton's leader trade their infant sons(some real Old Testament style shit). Nice tale about the importance of upbringing over one's genealogy.

Another thing that silly fans get wrong about Superman is that because he's so strong that necessarily makes him boring since he can easily defeat his enemies. But in that show Superman uses his overwhelming strength as a way to engage in good faith negotiations as his opening strategy and uses brute strength as a last resort. Another way the show makes him interesting is that many of his enemies can't be beaten with brute strength or can exploit some weakness in Superman which leads to him having to work with others. Metallo is a perfect example, he's a robot powered by Kryptonite so IIRC Superman pretty much never beats Metallo on his own.

On a side note there's a story line where Lex gets cancer for exposing himself to Kryptonite so often. Poor guy.

Bruce Banner, Peter Parker and Shuri are just as intelligent and are portrayed as sweet characters we always want to hug

Bruce Banner hasn't had his own film since Ed Norton's Hulk and Shuri is a supporting character to Black Panther so of course she can't have that snark attitude because she'd upstage the lead.

Spiderman is an exception I'll give you that but that's because he's immune to these trends, he's basically Marvel's most reliable A-lister going back a long time. Besides, his intelligence isn't as integral to his superhero kit as Iron Man's is.

 

[Andy Capp]

I will say comic book movies are well outside of my wheelhouse so I could be an extreme outlier. For the record, it's wrong to say no respected critics called the film bad. David Denby who is a very respected critic for the New Yorker wrote about it quite negatively. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/07/21/past-shock

I think the last superhero film I saw had Toby McGuire in it as Spiderman LOL

 

[Chillin' Nuts]

Got covid shot #2 yesterday and jeez. It's a nice reminder of how much I don't miss feeling like shit when I wake up in the morning. Oh well, time to suck it up.

 

[Andy Capp]

In defense of the MCU portrayal of the Iron Man character they do sometimes try to frame his play boy lifestyle in a negative light or as being flaw. But they indulge it way too much for my liking.

Another thing I hate about him is that he represents this trend I see in a lot of popular characters whereby the smart character is always a condescending asshole. Iron Man is one, Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty is another, Sherlock Holmes in Sherlock is another Lots of them. Meanwhile kindness and empathy are correlated with naivety and simple mindedness. Really hate that.

I love that movie. Its great for all the reasons you mentioned but I also really love Bruce Timm's character designs and Shirley Walker's score.

I always thought that a great plot line for a blockbuster crossover between Superman and Batman would be to adapt the animated World's Finest crossover from the late 90s. The plot is that the Joker steals a dragon sculpture made of kryptonite, goes to Metropolis, and presents Lex Luthor with an offer to kill Superman in exchange for $1 billion. Batman is on the Joker's heels and moves to Metropolis to find him. Lots of fun moments; Superman and Batman meet up and find out each others identities, Bruce Wayne ends up dating Lois Lane, the villains double cross each other and their female sidekicks fight. Just great fun.

It's the "he's an absolutely detestable cunt but he's so fucking good at what he does we have to put up with him so he doesn't take his talents elsewhere" trope. Very common in TV too. House, MASH, etc.

 

[Sycho Sid]

It's the "he's an absolutely detestable cunt but he's so fucking good at what he does we have to put up with him so he doesn't take his talents elsewhere" trope. Very common in TV too. House, MASH, etc.

Not sure I would put Hawkeye from MASH on the same "detestable cunt" level as someone like House.

 

[BEER]

Pretty sure @BEER mentioned it. You mean the micro-dosing, or the depression? Maybe I'm misremembering.

I had a little back and forth with @Khabib Khanate about my mental health issues and psychedelic use.

Don't think @essie had anything to do with it.

 

[Gregolian]

Not sure I would put Hawkeye from MASH on the same "detestable cunt" level as someone like House.

But even House at least had a semi ok excuse of his leg always having him in pain. Someone experiencing shit like that will get irritable and annoyed with folks easily.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[Gregolian]

Comes across like the guy never had a backup plan.

Id probably be the same way if I thought a job was in the bag and then didn’t get it. I just don’t have the platform he does.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Spoiler

No it's okay, I appreciate you asking. I view things very much through the prism of my own experiences, which is selfish and not productive but I can't entirely help it. I think for me the thing that was most heartbreaking to me, and I mean there were lots of things, but most was the sexual assault that Trump bragged about and his repeated misogyny. When I was little, like I don't know 5 or 7, an adult neighbor repeatedly made me put his penis in my mouth and pissed in it. Later in life I experienced a different series of assault that were probably more graphic than that.

When I saw a man who called women pigs, bragged about grabbing their privates, was accused of rape take the white house and stand there it made me feel scared. I felt scared because to me I thought this would embolden people to be abusers, and to think that behavior was okay. I know this is a very personal reaction but I felt so upset. That isn't even to get into the fear my friends of color expressed when he was voted into office and what I felt for them. I don't know. It's dumb, I guess.

Jesus Christ that's awful. Hope those animals are locked up.

 

[Deleted member 405583]

Classes start May 17th.... I feel like I'm back on summer vacation haha

Aka being a bum

 

[Deleted member 405583]

Don't know what he's talking about. Misfits is just horror/sci-fi subject matter. That shit hasn't gone anywhere. A band like Fear would revel in "triggering the libs", and 80 million Trump voters tells me there'd be an audience for that.

But.... do they love living in the city

 

[Gandhi]

Bruce Banner, Peter Parker and Shuri are just as intelligent and are portrayed as sweet characters we always want to hug

And captain America is not the rocket scientist but he is not portrayed as simple minded or naive.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I had a little back and forth with @Khabib Khanate about my mental health issues and psychedelic use.

Don't think @essie had anything to do with it.

To be clear I'm aware that there's evidence to support micro-dosing to combat depression and other forms of mental illness. IIRC my issue was that micro-dosing is distinct from taking larger doses. And beyond that I am skeptical of people who self medicate with drugs even if in theory a specific drug can help with a specific problem.

 

[Gandhi]

@essie @sickness2.0

Some very different but heavy posts. You have my sincere feels on them.

 

[Deleted member 405583]

How come these polls always have some stupid non-answer option except for this one that's centered around liquor? Could we really not include a "don't drink" option.

Wait a sec what am I saying? I'm a mod haha!

Thank you! I needed that option

 

[BEER]

To be clear I'm aware that there's evidence to support micro-dosing to combat depression and other forms of mental illness. IIRC my issue was that micro-dosing is distinct from taking larger doses. And beyond that I am skeptical of people who self medicate with drugs even if in theory a specific drug can help with a specific problem.

That's perfectly valid.

I don't use LSD to self-medicate. I use it to see cool shit. I also don't suffer from severe bipolar or any other schizo-effective disorders, so I'm not really in an at-risk group for LSD usage.