Don't mistake your refusal to understand something as it being incoherent.
Face it Trotts, your world view is formed by advocating for what you perceive to be the underdog while not realizing you're in favor of repressiveness. Hence your constant argumentation for what Communism or Islam is supposed to be, rather than what it is in the reality of the here and now. Call it something intelligent sounding like "recency bias", but that does nothing but mask reality.
I said it
wasn't recency bias, because it's something much more flimsy. It's, as I said, reductionism. It seeks to argue based on "realities" without examining or caring at all for the causes of those realities. It's the exact same basis for the people who say blacks are inherently dumb and violent because they currently commit more crime and score lower on standardized tests. It's the exact same basis for the people who say African countries are uncivilized because of the lack of political and economic development in the continent currently.
You can say any of those are just cold hard facts that idealists need to recognize....but the idealists are generally asking the super-duper realistic persons to examine other explanations other than the objective qualities described. In this case, I'm telling you that your belief that Islam creates illiberal societies is misplaced because it has operated several liberal societies and its current correlation with theocracies is the result of geopolitics.
I'm not arguing that you're wrong that there is a present correlation between Islam and illiberal government. I am arguing that the correlation is not causation, and that we can concretely explain the actual causation by examining political history and material relations.
Moreover, if we're being super realistic, there's
plenty of data showing that Muslim immigrants adopt liberal values at a very quick rate:
https://www.cato.org/blog/muslims-rapidly-adopt-us-social-political-values. According to Cato, Muslim immigrants in the United States, while less liberal than American liberals on average, are about as liberal as American conservatives on social issues. As of 2017, 52% of American Muslims say that homosexuality should be accepted by society. At that same time, 54% of American conservatives said the same.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/
https://www.hrc.org/news/majority-of-american-muslims-now-support-lesbian-gay-and-bisexual-people
So, if Muslim immigrants are becoming more liberal than natural born conservatives....well, I'll let you grapple with that. Maybe we should send conservative white people into exile?
History is to be learned from, not lived in ad idealism will leave you bitter and resentful.
It's weird. I get called "idealistic" purely by persons unfamiliar with my actual opinions and get called cynical by those familiar with them. I don't like either descriptor, but I'm definitely closer to the second one. But, in this case, I'm just calling for a pragmatic view of the issues