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senri said:
Not at all, we love to see the gyrations of the body. What you yearn for is one of the modes of human expression. Let it be so, and allow the masses to witness the elegance at which you motion your existence.
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This white boy's got moves my man. It's both a gift and a curse.
 
HereticBD said:
Depends on if they catch you in the right mood. It is strange. "A Serbian Film" goes the extra mile, but it's amazing at what our minds can be disturbed by. Take the "SAW" movies for example. They're just as depraved(a little less so in some areas), but our minds are trained to accept them as "mainstream" which dilutes the impact they might otherwise have. If they were some underground European "forbidden" films, they'd probably carry a lot more weight.

Meanwhile, our minds have tricked us into thinking a flick like TCM is one of the most disturbing films of all time, despite the fact that it could probably be rated PG-13, and is a rather bloodless and tame movie. The execution is what tricks us.
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Lol took me a second to duh my way into tcm.

Yea in another post in this shit thread I was saying I don't like shit like saw or hostel or 1000 corpses or torture porn at all.

I enjoy slashers cuz they are silly

Serbian film woulda hit like saw bu i was crabby and it just seemed like it was trying so hard.

But in general I don't like that kinda stuff at all.

But it's all in the eye of the beholder. As you know I loved natural born killers and some people think that's the most depraved violence fest of all time

Edit my bad I didn't realize I said that in the post you quoted.
 
Is there really not a thread on Rudy's house getting raided? I must be tripping. I find it funny they're saying they left Hunter's laptop alone, if it had such incriminating evidence and they wanted to hide it, they would take it and destroy it I'd think.
 
Bald1 said:
See, people conflate criticism of an ideology with hatred for those who hold said ideology. The reason I'm against Islam is because I'm liberal and it creates the most illiberal societies in the world. That doesn't mean I hate my neighbor or Ahmed, my nieces best friend who's more like family than a friend.
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This is so silly. Islam birthed some of the first truly pluralistic societies in the world. The Mughal Empire had a secular Muslim government presiding over a religiously and culturally pluralistic Indian subcontinent centuries before Europe liberalized. Hell, their non-democratic government was probably more tolerant of Hindus than the democratic (Hindu) government is toward Muslims today.

The illiberal aspects of Islam today are the result of geopolitics, not religious doctrine.

And I don't think the idea that a Muslim minority population will somehow achieve power in liberal democracies and turn them into theocratic dictatorships is a remotely realistic fear.
 
Trotsky said:
lol

Come on, man. Describing advocacy for the deportation of Muslims based on them being savages as some slight deviation from the leftist orthodoxy is pretty, pretty kind.

As far as @Cubo de Sangre goes, I don't think he's particularly racist or sexist (can't remember seeing anything by him on the topic of sexism, etc., although I'm sure he's liked a few misogynistic posts in his day) but he has certain reactionary impulses that correlate with sympathy for Trumpism and Trumpist thought. Which is basically hyper reductionism that tends to fall along the lines of race, sometimes incidentally and sometimes not so incidentally. Definitely wouldn't call him a "Trumptard," though. Wouldn't call you a Trumptard either. I definitely think you have some racist leanings and would be surprised if you didn't have similar leanings on sexism.
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I don't think he's sexist as I've never seen even an iota of that from him but yeah as much as he gets annoyed when I say it, seems pretty clear to me he's bigoted on some level against Muslims. He would carry water for sweede all the time, a guy who called for ethnically cleansing Muslims from Europe en masse, but then some Muslim poster says that Islam is the fastest growing religions and he's like "wow smh, look at this Islamofascist over here"

I mean maybe its a coincidence but just notice that the first example he used for histrionic reactions to Trump was that of a Muslim too. I like to think that on an individual level he wouldn't really treat Muslims too differently but that its more of a conservative philosophy where the Muslims are the outgroup that must be bound by the law but not protected and non-Muslims, especially anti-Muslims, the ingroup that is protected but not bound by the law. Hence why he supports anti-Muslim laws like prohibitions of certain Muslim dress and extra scrutiny on Muslim institutions but supports a career criminal in Tommy Robinson because he's anti-Muslim.
Jack V Savage said:
Hmm. So your view is that we should be racially segregated across the globe, but it's because you want to preserve the purity of cuisines rather than bloodlines so it's not racist? This is about as far from liberalism as it is possible to get.
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Goes back to what we've mentioned a few times, that the appeal of liberal rhetoric is so strong that many right wingers don't want to admit that they have illiberal views because they know its bad optics.
 
Trotsky said:
This is so silly. Islam birthed some of the first truly pluralistic societies in the world. The Mughal Empire had a secular Muslim government presiding over a religiously and culturally pluralistic Indian subcontinent centuries before Europe liberalized. Hell, their non-democratic government was probably more tolerant of Hindus than the democratic (Hindu) government is toward Muslims today.

The illiberal aspects of Islam today are the result of geopolitics, not religious doctrine.

And I don't think the idea that a Muslim minority population will somehow achieve power in liberal democracies and turn them into theocratic dictatorships is a remotely realistic fear.
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I happen to live in the present. It's a shortcoming.
 
HereticBD said:
Depends on if they catch you in the right mood. It is strange. "A Serbian Film" goes the extra mile, but it's amazing at what our minds can be disturbed by. Take the "SAW" movies for example. They're just as depraved(a little less so in some areas), but our minds are trained to accept them as "mainstream" which dilutes the impact they might otherwise have. If they were some underground European "forbidden" films, they'd probably carry a lot more weight.

Meanwhile, our minds have tricked us into thinking a flick like TCM is one of the most disturbing films of all time, despite the fact that it could probably be rated PG-13, and is a rather bloodless and tame movie. The execution is what tricks us.
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I literally almost threw up in the theater during Saw 2 (needle scene) and never saw another of them. Can't even imagine what sick shit must be in these other movies.
 
Bald1 said:
I happen to live in the present. It's a shortcoming.
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See, this is a distinctly illiberal view too, as it expressly marginalizes reason. It's not even recency bias. It's that aggressive reductionism that I mentioned earlier as the defining ideology of Trumpists, "race realists," ethnonationalists, etc.
 
Jack V Savage said:
I literally almost threw up in the theater during Saw 2 (needle scene) and never saw another of them. Can't even imagine what sick shit must be in these other movies.
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I can't blame anyone for being disgusted by them. I mean, that's their goal. I'm more offended at how bad and nonsensical they are. When you stop to think about their plots, they're laughably stupid. Even going back to the original, with Jigsaw being the guy on the floor. Neat twist...if you don't stop to think about absurd it is.

But yeah, if SAW was a red line, you definitely want to stay away from some other flicks that don't have a ratings board trying to make them "safe enough" to bring your children to watch them. There's some real nasty shit out there.
 
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