Social War Room Lounge v259 *InsertTitleHere*

[Trotsky]

The fact is Cubo and I have both been accused of being anything from Trumptards to racist sexists because we dare to colour outside the lines of the newly defined boundaries of the "left".

lol

Come on, man. Describing advocacy for the deportation of Muslims based on them being savages as some slight deviation from the leftist orthodoxy is pretty, pretty kind.

As far as @Cubo de Sangre goes, I don't think he's particularly racist or sexist (can't remember seeing anything by him on the topic of sexism, etc., although I'm sure he's liked a few misogynistic posts in his day) but he has certain reactionary impulses that correlate with sympathy for Trumpism and Trumpist thought. Which is basically hyper reductionism that tends to fall along the lines of race, sometimes incidentally and sometimes not so incidentally. Definitely wouldn't call him a "Trumptard," though. Wouldn't call you a Trumptard either. I definitely think you have some racist leanings and would be surprised if you didn't have similar leanings on sexism.

 

[LMP]

He’s now @Law Talkin’ Guy

Yea i saw him lurking.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I think that maybe you are merely referring to me saying people that fly the rebel flag are either racist or are okay with a racist symbol. Other than that I am curious when I said I was too good to associate with someone? It's curious that you would call me a bigot for not liking the rebel flag and defend people who wave it as neutral. The irony of that is truly stunning. Vilifying people for waving a flag that flew in support of slavery is not bigoted but being upset about it is? That's so curious to me.

For the record I never called you a bigot. I don't know anything about your views, that's why I asked. If you think I am one that is perfectly fine. If i am bigoted against people who think slavery is okay that's even better.

You agreed with me that in regards to rebel flag wavers you were passing judgment on them (because you professed to know exactly why they were doing it, without needing to have a conversation with them over their true motivations). That's not bigoted?

I'm a bigot in the sense that I don't like everybody equally. Anybody who says they do I'll bet is lying. I'm also a liberal in the sense that I believe people should have equal rights, and that in spite of differences I'm not going to act like I'm better than others who may be different.

 

[Jack V Savage]

By race because that's the best indicator we have for cultural norms.

Nevermind that racism obviously doesn't mean what you think it means. There's no superiority/inferiority judgement there, or anywhere, from me you'll find. I don't think Japan should be watered down with guyash, paprika, public sex, pálinka or other Hungarian norms. Is that due to racism, or because I value distinct societies and think they should remain distinct?

Hmm. So your view is that we should be racially segregated across the globe, but it's because you want to preserve the purity of cuisines rather than bloodlines so it's not racist? This is about as far from liberalism as it is possible to get.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

What ever happened to @TheWorm?

I’m still here, I just changed my name after becoming a platinum. The consensus is that people want me to go back to the old name which I may do, but you can only change names every 120 days so I’ve still got like 80 days left before I can make any changes.

 

[LazaRRus]

I assure you i am.
@LazaRRus can confirm

Yessir. He's good people

 

[LMP]

I’m still here, I just changed my name after becoming a platinum. The consensus is that people want me to go back to the old name which I may do, but you can only change names every 120 days so I’ve still got like 80 days left before I can make any changes.

Nah, dont give in to their pressure. They can learn to love it. Then you can change it again.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Hmm. So your view is that we should be racially segregated across the globe, but it's because you want to preserve the purity of cuisines rather than bloodlines so it's not racist? This is about as far from liberalism as it is possible to get.

I’m sorry but this post made me laugh so hard

 

[The Diplomat]

I’m still here, I just changed my name after becoming a platinum. The consensus is that people want me to go back to the old name which I may do, but you can only change names every 120 days so I’ve still got like 80 days left before I can make any changes.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

As far as @Cubo de Sangre goes, I don't think he's particularly racist or sexist (can't remember seeing anything by him on the topic of sexism, etc., although I'm sure he's liked a few misogynistic posts in his day) but he has certain reactionary impulses that correlate with sympathy for Trumpism and Trumpist thought.

It's pretty simple.

• I don't like to be told what to think
• I don't like to be told what to say
• I like irreverent humor

The current left seems to have problems with these things so that puts me at odds.

 

[Bald1]

That’s how I read it as well @Bald1 and of course there’s no mention of the Americas or Oceania being for their natives. Just saying, it came across as segregationist at the least if you want to nitpick it as racist or not.

Segregationist is probably closer to the truth. So this is where I'm coming from as an immigrant - people moving to a new country and expecting their new home to conform to their cultural norms instead of the other way around really grinds my gears.

I never mention the "new world" in these conversations as we haven't invented time travel, so the tragedy resulting from colonialism is unchangeable. What Euros did to indigenous populations is a disgrace to humanity. No doubt about it.

 

[JDragon]

Are Asians one nationality? Are Europeans one nationality? Africans?

I’ve never heard that approach to nationalism. That sounds more like separating entire racial groups, with disregard for other factors, and using race as the determining factor for the borders.

Good point. Also the general "X for Xs" stance obviously has been one used by racists at least here for a long time.

But my point is, the way he phrased it, he mainly used geography and not race. Africans are not black people, are they? The result of such a proposal (a moratorium on any migration) still would be one of racial purification in a way, but it would be a side effect.

In any case, I see @Bald1 's stance through the lens that he originates from Hungary IIRC. People there are very anti-migration and protective of their culture. Kind of, maybe, the Japanese. Racism may play a part, but it is rather the desire to have cultural homogeneity and a slower pace of change.

It is clear there is huge overlap, just pointing out that motivator and result may be different. A non-racist policy may have racist consequences.

 

[Deleted member 405583]

What ever happened to @TheWorm?

He won 3 titles with the BULLS

 

[JDragon]

Guys I almost died, if I didn’t have cat like reflexes I’d have smashed my face on the tile floor, slip and fall my ass.

and I just want them to admit it was not my fault in anyway, cause everyone that I tell about it either places the blame on me for my shoe choices, or says I don’t handle pain well, or says cause I still go into work (after being put off for a week as a pre caution) it can’t hurt that bad. I’m not saying this to be funny but I Can’t wear heels right now. I have to wear flats. No wedge shoes, flats flip flops or certain sneakers.

Go to local TV and say they are victim blaming

Only half joking. But the legal support certainly is the better next step.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Segregationist is probably closer to the truth. So this is where I'm coming from as an immigrant - people moving to a new country and expecting their new home to conform to their cultural norms instead of the other way around really grinds my gears.

I never mention the "new world" in these conversations as we haven't invented time travel, so the tragedy resulting from colonialism is unchangeable. What Euros did to indigenous populations is a disgrace to humanity. No doubt about it.

I'm all for making trades. We take applications from commies here, China takes applications from "fuck the man" types over there, and we swap 1 for 1.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

They say there still reviewing the incident......it was 3 weeks ago.....

If they were taking this seriously they likely would have gotten their insurance involved and you would have been contacted by an adjuster by now. Like I said in my previous post which you may have missed, I strongly suggest lawyering up.

 

[LMP]

He won 3 titles with the BULLS

 

[Deleted member 405583]

Yessir. He's good people

 

[The Diplomat]

He won 3 titles with the BULLS

2x with the Pistons as well.

 

[Islam Imamate]

@Cubo de Sangre and @Confucamus are you both considered right wing posters?

They are but they won't admit it.

I'm lumped in there. My views are best summed up as classical liberal. Maybe that's right wing these days.

What do you mean by "classical liberal"?

I didn't think so and wasn't trying to accuse you of anything.

The fact is Cubo and I have both been accused of being anything from Trumptards to racist sexists because we dare to colour outside the lines of the newly defined boundaries of the "left".

Would you say you're a leftist? Or maybe you might prefer "classical liberal"?

I remember one of our Muslim members making a post something along the lines of being terrified of what'll happen to him now that Trump is president. It's that sort of foolishness that grinds my gears. The histrionics seemed absurd to me, is all.

That doesn't mean I think he was some sort of a great candidate. If I was an American I would have voted 3rd party. To some on the left that's unacceptable, making me right wing, which to be fair is better than being called a conservative. Me, conservative? Lol.

I don't see how its that foolish. Bush Jr created a security apparatus that disproportionately targeted Muslims and his administration was far less antagonistic to Muslims on a rhetorical level. He's the one who coined the phrase "religion of peace" and his political coalition made overtures to Muslim leaders all the time.

Meanwhile Trump said "Islam hates us". For reference the prayer room at my Uni was bugged so yeah I don't think Muslims were entirely off base in being a bit worried there. Personally I wasn't though, I had more than enough faith in American institutions and the fabric of American society. Maybe naively so.

I was pretty heartbroken that day. It's still one of the worst memories of my life and I cried for long periods of time over it. I don't think I was overreacting based on his time in office but to each their own. I can at least say that the feeling of terror was very real for a lot of us.

I honestly enjoyed it, there was something magical about the meme candidate winning. I think the dread started to sink in on inauguration day. Between that day and election day I could at least go to sleep knowing Obama was still president.