Social War Room Lounge v259 *InsertTitleHere*

Is it whisky or whiskey?

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Lowmanproblems said:
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My fav player ALL TIME
 
90%. Go go go

Also I am off to bed, someone better prepare a proper v260 before the women take matters into their own hands again or @Gregolian
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essie said:
No it's okay, I appreciate you asking. I view things very much through the prism of my own experiences, which is selfish and not productive but I can't entirely help it. I think for me the thing that was most heartbreaking to me, and I mean there were lots of things, but most was the sexual assault that Trump bragged about and his repeated misogyny. When I was little, like I don't know 5 or 7, an adult neighbor repeatedly made me put his penis in my mouth and pissed in it. Later in life I experienced a different series of assault that were probably more graphic than that.

When I saw a man who called women pigs, bragged about grabbing their privates, was accused of rape take the white house and stand there it made me feel scared. I felt scared because to me I thought this would embolden people to be abusers, and to think that behavior was okay. I know this is a very personal reaction but I felt so upset. That isn't even to get into the fear my friends of color expressed when he was voted into office and what I felt for them. I don't know. It's dumb, I guess.
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Last post here for a while as I can't be assed to keep up with all the notifications.

Trudeau has said that there's no Canadian culture. That people like me (blue collar guys) are a detriment to small towns. The guy basically thinks I'm of no benefit and indeed a detriment to Canada. My response? Fuck that clown. He's guilty of everything he condemned others for. The guy is as much of a disaster as Trump.

You can't let politicians get to you as they don't live in our reality, nor do they represent or care about most of us. That's just my take though.
 
JDragon said:
It's probably not racist but an extreme form of nationalism and anti-migration stance. He did not include any racial purification requirement in there.
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People have been moving around and migrating for millennia. Advocating for continental borders expressly based on current categorizations of race (European-White/African-black/Asia-Asian) is absolutely racist lol. If you're okay with Russians being your neighbors but not Indians, it's hard to dress it up as anything but racist.

Worse than being racist (I know), it's reflexive opposition to bona fide humanitarian disasters that were overwhelmingly caused by the West through imperialism and technological development.

Let's set aside the usual attempts to litigate blame for political disasters like Syria, Libya, etc. and merely confront the climate question: is it fair that persons in Western (/white) countries reap the massive lion's share of benefit of industrialization and pass off the lion's share of ecological consequences for industrialization onto non-Western countries?

Hell no, it isn't. It's not remotely defensible morally or logically. I haven't done jack shit to deserve to live a lifestyle that is 5-10x what is sustainable for the average world citizen while I partition away Africans and South Asians and force them to not only live in largely pre-industrial conditions but to occupy regions that are being progressively stripped of resources by climate change. And covering up that obvious dereliction of moral duty with vague notions of continental ethnonationalism is lame as fuck.

Cubo de Sangre said:
It's pretty simple.
  • I don't like to be told what to think
  • I don't like to be told what to say
  • I like irreverent humor
The current left seems to have problems with these things so that puts me at odds.
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Ahh, yes. It's your reputation as a free-thinking maverick that most aggravates people.

FTR, I don't have any problem with your humor. Some misogynistic jokes are funny. Some are really despicable and just humorless vehicles for limp dicked, self-interested grievances. But there isn't a clear line, obviously.
 
Bald1 said:
I get what you guys are saying, but to be fair I'm more concerned about culture than skin color.
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Putting aside the race thing then (I still think the comment was very racist), this is extremely illiberal, too. Is what's most important what we have in common (our capacity to reason) or what's particular to different groups? That's one of the big questions, and liberalism and a lot that flows from it depends on a different answer to it than the one you're giving.
 
Trotsky said:
Let's set aside the usual attempts to litigate blame for political disasters like Syria, Libya, etc. and merely confront the climate question: is it fair that persons in Western (/white) countries reap the massive lion's share of benefit of industrialization and pass off the lion's share of ecological consequences for industrialization onto non-Western countries?

Hell no, it isn't. It's not remotely defensible morally or logically. I haven't done jack shit to deserve to live a lifestyle that is 5-10x what is sustainable for the average world citizen while I partition away Africans and South Asians and force them to not only live in largely pre-industrial conditions but to occupy regions that are being progressively stripped of resources by climate change. And covering up that obvious dereliction of moral duty with vague notions of continental ethnonationalism is lame as fuck.
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Need to sleep urgently, just pointing out that I don't think there is any way to salvage that proposal, it is bad enough for what it is, I just don't think it is racist in itself for reasons Iaid out in a follow-up post
 
JDragon said:
Good point. Also the general "X for Xs" stance obviously has been one used by racists at least here for a long time.

But my point is, the way he phrased it, he mainly used geography and not race. Africans are not black people, are they? The result of such a proposal (a moratorium on any migration) still would be one of racial purification in a way, but it would be a side effect.

In any case, I see @Bald1 's stance through the lens that he originates from Hungary IIRC. People there are very anti-migration and protective of their culture. Kind of, maybe, the Japanese. Racism may play a part, but it is rather the desire to have cultural homogeneity and a slower pace of change.

It is clear there is huge overlap, just pointing out that motivator and result may be different. A non-racist policy may have racist consequences.
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Ok, one more post. Lol.

Yes, knowing the history of my former home has led me to many of my opinions. That little country's history is a study in multiculturalism, corruption and the craziness inherent in geopolitics. As well as proof, on a global scale, that bothsideism isn't a fallacy but rather truth.
 
The Diplomat said:
How old were you during 9/11, the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan or when Clinton got popped for perjury?
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Sorry I just saw this, things are going fast. I was ten for 9/11 and then like yeah 13 or 14 for the wars I guess? Clinton I don't think I was born. If your point is that 9/11 is more tragic than Trump being elected of course I agree. The difference was the former was a singular event that our country rallied around, the latter was an oncoming four year nightmare for people I love.
 
Bald1 said:
Last post here for a while as I can't be assed to keep up with all the notifications.

Trudeau has said that there's no Canadian culture. That people like me (blue collar guys) are a detriment to small towns. The guy basically thinks I'm of no benefit and indeed a detriment to Canada. My response? Fuck that clown. He's guilty of everything he condemned others for. The guy is as much of a disaster as Trump.

You can't let politicians get to you as they don't live in our reality, nor do they represent or care about most of us. That's just my take though.
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Quoting you because I’m a dick like that :D

Also, that last paragraph is truth.
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Hated the Pistons and Bulls (Hell, even the Spurs), but always loved Dennis.
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Growing up i had friends who ended up paying d1 ball and I was never that great so when we played i emulated the one guy who didn't score alot but was physical and tough. Led to a lot of cuts and bruises from the blacktop though. Also why I was a fan of Tyler Hansbrough, who i enjoyed watching hustle also, during his days at unc.
 
Trotsky said:
Ahh, yes. It's your reputation as a free-thinking maverick that most aggravates people.
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I always figured it was my willingness to matter-of-factly offer up opposing viewpoints and challenge people on their consistency. That and be a dick to dudes when they're dicks to me.

But that has nothing to do with my prior response.
 
JDragon said:
You are now part of the machine. You basically checked into Hotel California.

Leaving is possible but possibly not desirable, you'd have to take that one up with @senri
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sickc0d3r said:
Quoting you because I’m a dick like that :D

Also, that last paragraph is truth.
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Screw both of you! Lol


I usually read much more than I post so this amount of activity isn't my cup o tea.
 
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