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essie said:
I think that you are falling into the paradox of tolerance. If you are asking if being intolerant to bigoted people is a feature of the left I would say it is.
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Let's take a look at that word.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigoted

adjective
utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
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That sounds more like you than me. I'm not the one vilifying those who hold different opinions, and acting like I'm too good to associate with them because of 'em. People are entitled to their views, and they can like or dislike whoever they please. You believe they have to like and dislike who you say. You're a bigot, you just happen to give yourself a pass because of course you agree with your own opinions.
 
essie said:
I was pretty heartbroken that day. It's still one of the worst memories of my life and I cried for long periods of time over it. I don't think I was overreacting based on his time in office but to each their own. I can at least say that the feeling of terror was very real for a lot of us.
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What made it the worst memory? I'm not being provocative, but rather trying to understand.

To give you some insight - I've had an "interesting" life and have had all sorts of ups and downs. To me the equivalent of Trump being elected is having Trudeau in office. And while they're the flip side of the same privileged, idiotic, ivory tower coin, I'll live and life will go on.
 
Rebelfett said:
It would've been censored on your phone if it was anything else
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essie said:
I feel like I keep getting into these arguments here where I just come across as like the most whiny, emotion driven idiot on this forum. I don't know why but it's interesting to engage, at least, even if at the end I feel embarrassed.
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No need to be. Of course this is an MMA forum where no one has any emotions except rage at incomplete OPs.

The real added value of discussions here, and especially in the Lounge, is that we have them largely with an open shield. People share stuff they probably would not discuss with their families. Why pretend in here?

The wider WR is often part of the political battlefield, and a lot of people there play rhe tribal game, but here it's largely just people being real (as far as that can be said).
 
essie said:
I feel like I keep getting into these arguments here where I just come across as like the most whiny, emotion driven idiot on this forum. I don't know why but it's interesting to engage, at least, even if at the end I feel embarrassed.
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You're cool. Wouldn't sweat it. I enjoy talking sports with you. Don't be hard on yourself
 
essie said:
I was pretty heartbroken that day. It's still one of the worst memories of my life and I cried for long periods of time over it. I don't think I was overreacting based on his time in office but to each their own. I can at least say that the feeling of terror was very real for a lot of us.
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How old were you during 9/11, the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan or when Clinton got popped for perjury?
 
essie said:
I feel like I keep getting into these arguments here where I just come across as like the most whiny, emotion driven idiot on this forum. I don't know why but it's interesting to engage, at least, even if at the end I feel embarrassed.
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Naaw. We're having a conversation. How else are we gonna understand each other? None of us is trying to convince or strong-arm the other into agreement, so it's all good as far as I'm concerned.
 
JDragon said:
I think what you describe is just typical for the divide between majority and minority populations (if applicable in your case, I did not pay attention). Like minorities say "I experience racism" and the majority says "we are not racists" and both probably are correct based on their perceived reality. Also in this case, where the impact of Trump's policies as @Bald1 probably expected them would maybe not justify angst and fear among minority populations, but that neglects the experience and also the societal aspect of what happens when such policies get put into place.

Personally I am also completely against any type of policy that differentiates based on who you are (though I have softened my stance a bit regarding female leadership quotas). But that's also the perspective of someone who is in what people would call privileged.
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I think there's room for legitimate disagreement among liberals on the issue of "corrective" non-race-neutral policy. Is this best way to get a society where social status and economic benefits are not connected to race to act as if we're already there and just move forward or to actively try to fix existing inequities? The phrasing might not give proper credit to the former approach, as an effective corrective that didn't overcorrect in some areas and fail to correct in others would be difficult even if there were no political obstacles to implementation (and there are a lot--to the point that it's basically a non-starter). People having that discussion is a good way for us to see the strengths and weaknesses of both approaches.

Bald1 said:
Explain to me, as if I'm an 8 year old, how that's racist? Unless that paragraph makes me racist towards every race all at the same time.
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I'm kind of curious what you even think racism means if you don't see that that post as being obviously racist. You're saying that if you had the power to redraw borders, you'd segregate by race, no? Why? What possible reason would there be for that for a liberal?
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Let's take a look at that word.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bigoted



That sounds more like you than me. I'm not the one vilifying those who hold different opinions, and acting like I'm too good to associate with them because of 'em. People are entitled to their views, and they can like or dislike whoever they please. You believe they have to like and dislike who you say. You're a bigot, you just happen to give yourself a pass because of course you agree with your own opinions.
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I think that maybe you are merely referring to me saying people that fly the rebel flag are either racist or are okay with a racist symbol. Other than that I am curious when I said I was too good to associate with someone? It's curious that you would call me a bigot for not liking the rebel flag and defend people who wave it as neutral. The irony of that is truly stunning. Vilifying people for waving a flag that flew in support of slavery is not bigoted but being upset about it is? That's so curious to me.

For the record I never called you a bigot. I don't know anything about your views, that's why I asked. If you think I am one that is perfectly fine. If i am bigoted against people who think slavery is okay that's even better.
 
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