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I find it weird 20 years ago I'd get called a communist and pinko and my views haven't really changed too much and now certain friends talk to me like I'm a republican.
You know, I'm open to the idea that perhaps my views have changed, but have yet to have anyone prove so. It seems obvious that polarization is the cause.


Like, OMG, you don't want chicks with dicks living in women's shelters? Like, you're such a Nazi that, I, can't, even!!!1

o_O
 
i think that naturally as things progress the line of what is and isn't progressive changes. if in 1960 you said i think Black people should go to the same school as whites you were on the progressive end of that spectrum, 20 years later that view alone just made you a centrist.
 
The one that traumatized me was a suicide machines bumping uglies Christmas show when I was in 10th grade. Been to 2 really violent dropkick shows one of which AL barr got pissed and came into the crowd. Blue Meanies show for some reason turned into a full on pit brawl....and the hippos of all bands got so rowdy the stage got collapsed

Think the worst beating I ever saw handed out was like 4 nazi skins came to an anti flag show at st Andrew's and I think the whole crowd and every bouncer got at least a shot in on those fools. I still wonder to this day what the fuck they were thinking. Did the thought of 4 against 3 hundred not even enter into their minds ? I've never been one to catch an ass whippin on purpose.
My fav was bad religion at warped tour in 04 in Ft Lauderdale. Members of ARA/COLORBLIND were on one side of the pit and a few idiots who thought they were tough nazis were across from them. No idea why they would show up to a warped tour bit ok. And when "God's love" hit they both charged. Didnt end well for the nazis as bed religions security jumped into the frey and hit their flank. Absolute mauling.
 
I had a 1st hour time release at school so I could go in late. :)

Wait, is that a thing? I remember from a girl who lived in RI that I knew some 20 years ago that she said she went to school late. She died from an OD a couple years later so cannot really ask her

Never heard of anything like that, but given how different sleep patterns are (especially among teenagers), it certainly makes sense
 
You know, I'm open to the idea that perhaps my views have changed, but have yet to have anyone prove so. It seems obvious that polarization is the cause.


Like, OMG, you don't want chicks with dicks living in women's shelters? Like, you're such a Nazi that, I, can't, even!!!1

o_O
I don't know a lot about you but I think going off this post at least the way you communicate is antithetical to what I think of as ideal leftism which is empathic. If you say 20 years ago people were calling you a leftist but today you call trans women "chicks with dicks" I would say that perhaps you sat on the left on some issues but you capacity to communicate about groups that are marginalized probably never fit there. It's not so much about policy. In fact if you said I respect trans women but I think there are conversations to be had about the makeup of women's shelters I don't think anyone but extreme reactionaries would have a problem.

I'm sure we agree on some policy things but just from you calling trans women "chicks with dicks" I feel less enthused about this space. Which isn't to say that's not silly or based on emotion. It is, but I think that, at least for me, compassion has to be the guiding light of leftism.

edit: the writing of this post is so bad. i overuse the same words and confuse the point but i hope you know what i mean.
 
actually the first few times i came into the war room was like 2015 peak trump love and i obviously hated him. i thought the whole war room was pro trump, and it felt like that in every thread. i remember seeing a post you made that was like slightly critical of him and i thought oh wow there is one other liberal here. but then i left and came back after he was elected, made a thread about being really scared over it and got flamed.
I remember one of our Muslim members making a post something along the lines of being terrified of what'll happen to him now that Trump is president. It's that sort of foolishness that grinds my gears. The histrionics seemed absurd to me, is all.

That doesn't mean I think he was some sort of a great candidate. If I was an American I would have voted 3rd party. To some on the left that's unacceptable, making me right wing, which to be fair is better than being called a conservative. Me, conservative? Lol.
 
I remember one of our Muslim members making a post something along the lines of being terrified of what'll happen to him now that Trump is president. It's that sort of foolishness that grinds my gears. The histrionics seemed absurd to me, is all.

That doesn't mean I think he was some sort of a great candidate. If I was an American I would have voted 3rd party. To some on the left that's unacceptable, making me right wing, which to be fair is better than being called a conservative. Me, conservative? Lol.
I was pretty heartbroken that day. It's still one of the worst memories of my life and I cried for long periods of time over it. I don't think I was overreacting based on his time in office but to each their own. I can at least say that the feeling of terror was very real for a lot of us.
 
i think that naturally as things progress the line of what is and isn't progressive changes. if in 1960 you said i think Black people should go to the same school as whites you were on the progressive end of that spectrum, 20 years later that view alone just made you a centrist.

What do you think this means for the evaluation of historically relevant individuals? Let's take Martin Luther and his anti-semitism, for example. If we use today's moral standards as a frame of reference, we will have to end to practice of naming places or streets after people because almost everyone will be flawed in light of updated standards.
 
Wait, is that a thing? I remember from a girl who lived in RI that I knew some 20 years ago that she said she went to school late. She died from an OD a couple years later so cannot really ask her

Never heard of anything like that, but given how different sleep patterns are (especially among teenagers), it certainly makes sense

Yeah. You needed so many credits to graduate, along with certain classes being required. So I didn't need a full schedule as a senior. Not only did I have first period off, I had a 5th hour time release too. 5th hour was staggered lunches. So instead of a class and a half our lunch, I had an hour and a half so I'd go home, eat, and crank the stereo.
 
I've had it out with straight edge goons once or twice. They never really had the numbers to get the upper hand in my experiences with them but I might find them to be the most irritating sub group in the punk hardcore scene. As an adult i love when you see an old dude with buncha sXe tats at the bar
Had to deal with those dips shits and lords of oc (fuck uncle creepy) at shows around here
SxE exploded in popularity around here in the 00s
 
If you say 20 years ago people were calling you a leftist but today you call trans women "chicks with dicks" I would say that perhaps you sat on the left on some issues but you capacity to communicate about groups that are marginalized probably never fit there.

No, they were chicks with dicks and nobody said otherwise.
 
i was just curious. i never really knew. someone tagged @LazaRRus as right wing in here too. one thing that is interesting is i feel like the better right wing posters dont identify as right wing maybe but almost every left wing poster will just say thats what they are.

Depends on the issue for me honestly. I always do what's best for my family (and financially it's pretty obvious) . I'm right wing but that doesn't mean that I agree with everything that is in the media or is viewed as a policy. I'm honestly cool and friends with more left leaning people than right. Doesn't matter to me as long as you're good people. I think everyone can think for themselves and should do what's best for them.
 
Yeah. You needed so many credits to graduate, along with certain classes being required. So I didn't need a full schedule as a senior. Not only did I have first period off, I had a 5th hour time release too. 5th hour was staggered lunches. So instead of a class and a half our lunch, I had an hour and a half so I'd go home, eat, and crank the stereo.
Phew. Really glad the last word there was “stereo.”
 
What do you think this means for the evaluation of historically relevant individuals? Let's take Martin Luther and his anti-semitism, for example. If we use today's moral standards as a frame of reference, we will have to end to practice of naming places or streets after people because almost everyone will be flawed in light of updated standards.
It makes it very tricky. I personally think there is a way to speak about someone in the context of their time without ignoring the issues they had through our modern lens. To me this is why you shouldn't idolatrise any person.
 
I've had it out with straight edge goons once or twice. They never really had the numbers to get the upper hand in my experiences with them but I might find them to be the most irritating sub group in the punk hardcore scene. As an adult i love when you see an old dude with buncha sXe tats at the bar

They're very annoying people lmao
 
Growing up, skinheads were the scourge of the Denver shows. Never personally had any problems with 'em.

Noah Smith had an interesting bit on that recently(ish).

https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/insurrection-thoughts-113

Everything’s better without Nazis
In general, I think Americans dramatically underrate how much better life will be without Nazis around.

And by “Nazis”, I do not mean Republicans, or conservatives, or Trump supporters, or people with racist attitudes in general. I specifically mean hardcore passionate white supremacists for whom white supremacist activism is a lifestyle. This is a relatively small fringe; most racists don’t make a lifestyle out of it.

But even though Nazis are a small fringe in America, they are a fractal fringe — they branch out and ramify and flow into any space that allows them. In the 1980s, a Nazi fringe tried to be part of the punk subculture. Punks responded by punching Nazis in the face and kicking them out of the subculture. In recent years, Nazis have tried to be part of the Black Metal subculture. Black Metal fans are responding by systematically excluding Nazis. Gamer culture has also tried to kick out infiltrating Nazis, with less success. And Nazis successfully infiltrated and destroyed 4chan.

The lesson is that Nazis will relentlessly infiltrate anywhere where the powers that be fail to expel them with extreme prejudice. They will infiltrate your web forum. They will infiltrate your blog comments. They will go anywhere where they are not forcibly expelled. And once they are allowed in a space, they will make it awful for everyone else in that space, like a single rat turd floating in your bowl of cereal.

The lesson the punks and metalheads learn is: Ban the Nazis, and things just get better. Yes, it can feel intolerant. But that’s the Paradox of Tolerance:


I suspect most people vastly underestimate how much better America as a whole will get when our current crop of Nazis finally gives up and goes away.

I'd like to hear @AgonyandIrony's take on some of the stuff described in one of those links.

I'm lumped in there. My views are best summed up as classical liberal. Maybe that's right wing these days.

^^^^ something you never hear anyone who isn't a rightist loon saying. Pretty sure you'd never see Adam Smith argue that the gov't should take over a business if it criticizes the president.
 
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