WAR ROOM LOUNGE V22: Cult 45

[Jack V Savage]

Oh', so its like a self reflection kind of thing you're doing, eh?

Dumb. Bad faith is something that would be obvious to the person engaged in it. You essentially admitting that you argue in bad faith was part of it, actually.

 

[waiguoren]

By god, we agree

Then we should also agree that the federal government has no authority to regulate marriage, abortion, state election systems, mass communications (FCC), the environment, the border,....

 

[Limbo Pete]

Then we should also agree that the federal government has no authority to regulate marriage, abortion, state election systems, mass communications (FCC), the environment, the border,....

Let's just savor this one moment when the stars have aligned, eh bud?
I'm staring up at the moon. You should go outside and do the same thing.
Unless it's day wherever you are.
In that case, stare directly into the sun.

 

[waiguoren]

Let's just savor this one moment when the stars have aligned, eh bud?
I'm staring up at the moon. You should go outside and do the same thing.
Unless it's day wherever you are.
In that case, stare directly into the sun.

It's overcast

 

[Limbo Pete]

It's overcast

God dammit

 

[HereticBD]

Dumb. Bad faith is something that would be obvious to the person engaged in it. You essentially admitting that you argue in bad faith was part of it, actually.

LOL.

Tell me how Elizabeth Warren never claimed to be Native American again. I liked that good faith argument.

 

[Jack V Savage]

LOL.

Tell me how Elizabeth Warren never claimed to be Native American again. I liked that good faith argument.

Yeah, here's another bad one. We both know that Republicans don't actually believe their attack here. They just see someone who is a political threat and are trying to smear her.

 

[Gutter Chris]

Yeah, here's another bad one. We both know that Republicans don't actually believe their attack here. They just see someone who is a political threat and are trying to smear her.

And they are going to succeed at it too. That Pocahontas shit has her political career over and its all her dumb ass fault for refusing to nip it in the ass because it was stupid and same people shouldnt have to and ended up giving the republicans exactly what they needed to marginalize her. Same thing with democrats that call themselves socialists . Its almost as if they dont give a fuck about wanting to defeat Trump half as much as they say they do. The republicans are great at making people look like assholes and the democrats make the same mistake over and over thinking people arent stupid enough to fall for it .They are. Give your opponent a stupid name and it sticks and that shits all over. The fact that they couldnt do Obama this way shows how good he really was at playing the game.

Its really too bad Anthony Wiener is a sex fiend creep , that dude is the kinda guy you need to fight with someone like trump. No one but another loud mouth new yorker type is going to be able to beat him and the left is in short supply of that kind of brashness at the moment.

 

[Trotsky]

Then we should also agree that the federal government has no authority to regulate marriage, abortion, state election systems, mass communications (FCC), the environment, the border,....

LOL, no. He should not make that jump, as it is silly.

The executive is explicitly incapable of unilaterally changing the Constitution. The federal government, which contains Congress and the executive, is expressly (even explicitly authorizing the executive if the legislature cannot be convened) endowed with the responsibility of regulating national borders via Article IV. Mass communications and environmental regulation fall under a multitude of allowances, including but not limited to the Taxing and Spending Clause, the Commerce Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause, the Posterity Clause of the Preamble, the Supremacy Clause, and the First Amendment. State election systems come under the Guarantee Clause and the Equal Protection Clause.

Abortion and marriage? Harder issues.

 

[Jack V Savage]

And they are going to succeed at it too. That Pocahontas shit has her political career over and its all her dumb ass fault for refusing to nip it in the ass because it was stupid and same people shouldnt have to and ended up giving the republicans exactly what they needed to marginalize her. Same thing with democrats that call themselves socialists . Its almost as if they dont give a fuck about wanting to defeat Trump half as much as they say they do. The republicans are great at making people look like assholes and the democrats make the same mistake over and over thinking people arent stupid enough to fall for it .They are.

I think you're exaggerating a lot. You acknowledge that that kind of bullshit wasn't enough to beat Obama. Wouldn't have been enough to beat Clinton if not for the Comey letter, and that's with a high level of media complicity (the dumb IT security story was covered more than all policy issues combined). So, yes, there are dolts who fall for that stuff but they are not the majority. It's something she'd have to deal with but not a reason to think she's doomed.

Also, I strongly disagree that the left needs its own vulgar idiot to beat the right's vulgar idiot. Most voters do not like having a petulant clown as president.

 

[Trotsky]

LOL.

Tell me how Elizabeth Warren never claimed to be Native American again. I liked that good faith argument.

It's ironic that Inga is liking these posts, as I would probably list you and her as the only two posters here that definitely post in bad faith. And maybe Madmick when he gets in a tizzy. And probably Greoric too, but his bad faith is so overt and seemingly self-aware that it almost curls back, strangely.

I think you're exaggerating a lot. You acknowledge that that kind of bullshit wasn't enough to beat Obama. Wouldn't have been enough to beat Clinton if not for the Comey letter, and that's with a high level of media complicity (the dumb IT security story was covered more than all policy issues combined). So, yes, there are dolts who fall for that stuff but they are not the majority. It's something she'd have to deal with but not a reason to think she's doomed.

I think you're again underestimating the resolve and political acumen of Obama and Clinton as compared to Warren, and just the difference in general political optics now.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I think you're again underestimating the resolve and political acumen of Obama and Clinton as compared to Warren, and just the difference in general political optics now.

Could be. It's a legitimate area of disagreement. I think that chance is a way bigger factor in elections than most realize, and I think narratives that follow elections are almost always false (and silly). The second point follows naturally from the first, of course. Also, I think skill in a politician is something that is usually awarded by bullshit narrative hunters after the fact. It's not something you can measure, the way a scout can watch Giancarlo Stanton take a few swings and say "that's 80 power" or the way a radar gun tells you that Aroldis Chapman throws harder than anyone else. And like I've said before, the invisible and the non-existent look alike and often get mixed up with each other.

And, yeah, Inga is on another level. Not just the most dishonest person here but likely the most dishonest person I've encountered in any setting.

 

[senri]

....And, yeah, Inga is on another level. Not just the most dishonest person here but likely the most dishonest person I've encountered in any setting.

Even in your personal life?

 

[Sketch]

Even in your personal life?

Inga lives in his head rent free.

 

[waiguoren]

LOL, no. He should not make that jump, as it is silly.

The executive is explicitly incapable of unilaterally changing the Constitution. The federal government, which contains Congress and the executive, is expressly (even explicitly authorizing the executive if the legislature cannot be convened) endowed with the responsibility of regulating national borders via Article IV. Mass communications and environmental regulation fall under a multitude of allowances, including but not limited to the Taxing and Spending Clause, the Commerce Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause, the Posterity Clause of the Preamble, the Supremacy Clause, and the First Amendment. State election systems come under the Guarantee Clause and the Equal Protection Clause.

Abortion and marriage? Harder issues.

Fortunately for our country, the judiciary is presently being stacked with expert jurists who disagree vehemently with your opinion on this matter.

 

[senri]

Inga lives in his head rent free.

Has Inga encountered Mr. Savage in real life?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Has Inga encountered Mr. Savage in real life?

I heard they Nexusized once.

 

[senri]

I heard they Nexusized once.

go on....

 

[Trotsky]

Could be. It's a legitimate area of disagreement. I think that chance is a way bigger factor in elections than most realize, and I think narratives that follow elections are almost always false (and silly). The second point follows naturally from the first, of course. Also, I think skill in a politician is something that is usually awarded by bullshit narrative hunters after the fact. It's not something you can measure [/QUOTE]

So when it comes to temperament, sharpness, issue knowledge, and oratory ability, particularly when it comes to weathering and returning attacks during the course of both a single debate and a larger race, you disagree that Obama and Clinton were two extremely skilled figures, and that it dictated their successes?

Fortunately for our country, the judiciary is presently being stacked with expert jurists who disagree vehemently with your opinion on this matter.

No, they don't. And you're embarrassing yourself.

We may be actively filling the judiciary with incompetent hacks and FedSoc toads whose views, knowledge, and honesty differ greatly, by leaps and bounds, from the consensus of high level legal experts, but even under the most doomsday scenario, you would never get anything approaching a consensus toward shifting American government and law to its pre-industrial state and reversing landmark decisions so as to render the country unable to operate on a very basic level.

Also, just as a matter of policy, if you think eliminating the federal government in the areas of mass communications, environmental regulation, electoral rights and regulations, and national border administration would be good for the country and its people, then you are much, much, much dumber than I ever thought.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

go on....

Here we are...

Also undergoing a shift in my outlook.