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WAR ROOM LOUNGE V22: Cult 45

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Sketch said:
There is this thing called the observable reality all around us. Both sides have lost their minds. America is in a bad state.
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A bad state compared to what? Are you even passingly familiar with US history?

The conflict today is a freaking bitch-fest compared to what this country has been through.
 
Final Rehab said:
A bad state compared to what? Are you even passingly familiar with US history?

The conflict today is a freaking bitch-fest compared to what this country has been through.
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LOL
 


This sofa is perfect for a black person............................or a white person. And expanic people too!

And all people.
 
Got to love the outrage when fake hate crimes happen.

Or how angry people get over the fact people can lie and be evil.
 
waiguoren said:
Looks like he wants to get out of there.

@Jack V Savage , do you support a universal right for women to terminate pregnancies at that stage?
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I won't answer for Jack (tbh, I don't recall him ever having a strong opinion on abortion around here), but I'll answer for myself.
Yes, I support a universal right for women to terminate pregnancies at that stage.
 
Hunter Simpson said:
My take:
tl;dr Fuck Breitbart. Get some real sources.
According to others, "The Attorney General's Office did not reveal what candidates paid for the effort."
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In this case, Breitbart performed the actual journalism (e.g., searching court records) needed to report the story. Your personal distaste for Breitbart doesn't change that. "Fuck Breitbart" doesn't cut it, unless your goal is to throw an apoplectic fit.
 
Higus said:
I won't answer for Jack (tbh, I don't recall him ever having a strong opinion on abortion around here), but I'll answer for myself.
Yes, I support a universal right for women to terminate pregnancies at that stage.
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What is their excuse for letting it get to that stage? I'm a bit of a fence sitter on the abortion thing, but at that stage, what's the moral difference between that and executing it at birth?
 
Higus said:
I won't answer for Jack (tbh, I don't recall him ever having a strong opinion on abortion around here), but I'll answer for myself.
Yes, I support a universal right for women to terminate pregnancies at that stage.
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Do you have any emotional response to viewing the video that @Ripskater posted?
 
HereticBD said:
What is their excuse for letting it get to that stage? I'm a bit of a fence sitter on the abortion thing, but at that stage, what's the moral difference between that and executing it at birth?
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That's the thing: very few get to that stage. @waiguoren and @Ripskater are fighting for a problem that doesn't exist.
If someone needed an abortion at that stage, there's probably a pretty good reason, either on medical or personal grounds. Unless you want to police every person's decision based on a subjective state version of morality, you should just let them make their choices in private.

EDIT: 20 weeks is not viable
 
Higus said:
That's the thing: very few get to that stage. @waiguoren and @Ripskater are fighting for a problem that doesn't exist.
If someone needed an abortion at that stage, there's probably a pretty good reason, either on medical or personal grounds. Unless you want to police every person's decision based on a subjective state version of morality, you should just let them make their choices in private.

EDIT: 20 weeks is not viable
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But you personally said you were cool with it. I don't think there are any specific rules to it. If you want the abortion at that stage, you can get it done regardless of the reason, correct?

So are you okay with it in general, or just under special circumstances? I wouldn't be completely against it if the mother's life was at risk, but that's about it.
 
waiguoren said:
Do you have any emotional response to viewing the video that @Ripskater posted?
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Not really. My emotional stance on the issue leans more towards the women who would like to choose if/when they have children, and the impacts their decisions will have on their lives.
 
HereticBD said:
But you personally said you were cool with it. I don't think there are any specific rules to it. If you want the abortion at that stage, you can get it done regardless of the reason, correct?

So are you okay with it in general, or just under special circumstances? I wouldn't be completely against it if the mother's life was at risk, but that's about it.
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I'm okay with it in general. If someone tries to define all the circumstances in which they would be "okay" with it, they will likely run into countless exceptions. Even a "life at risk" exception could be highly subjective.
If someone told me they were going to have an abortion at 20 weeks, I'd honestly assume that they had a good reason for waiting that long, have thought through the consequences of their actions, and aren't in need of judgement.
 
waiguoren said:
What am I fighting for?


"Viability" is a myth, right? A new-born infant can't live outside the womb for very long without medical assistance.
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You're using a different definition of "viability". The question is why? Is it to obfuscate the argument (dishonesty) or because you didn't realize the difference (stupidity)?
 
Higus said:
You're using a different definition of "viability". The question is why? Is it to obfuscate the argument (dishonesty) or because you didn't realize the difference (stupidity)?
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Stupidity, I guess. I fail to see the moral distinction you're making.
 
Higus said:
I'm okay with it in general. If someone tries to define all the circumstances in which they would be "okay" with it, they will likely run into countless exceptions. Even a "life at risk" exception could be highly subjective.
If someone told me they were going to have an abortion at 20 weeks, I'd honestly assume that they had a good reason for waiting that long, have thought through the consequences of their actions, and aren't in need of judgement.
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Same would go for abortion at eight months of pregnancy?
 
Higus said:
I'm okay with it in general. If someone tries to define all the circumstances in which they would be "okay" with it, they will likely run into countless exceptions. Even a "life at risk" exception could be highly subjective.
If someone told me they were going to have an abortion at 20 weeks, I'd honestly assume that they had a good reason for waiting that long, have thought through the consequences of their actions, and aren't in need of judgement.
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Other than risk to one's life, what other reasonable excuse is there to wait that long? Risk to one's life really isn't subjective at all. There is always a risk of course, but there is also legitimate high risk scenarios, that are far more concerning than others.

If there isn't a significant risk to one's life, its not much different to me than just putting a pillow over it's face after birth. I'm sure those people had "good reasons" too, and thought about consequences. It doesn't really make much of a difference.
 
waiguoren said:
Stupidity, I guess. I fail to see the moral distinction you're making.
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The moral distinction between terminating a non-viable fetus compared to leaving a newborn to die from exposure?
 
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