War Room Lounge V195: Cleaning your room while high on pills with your pet lobster

[Lead]

That's not an accusation. The dirty laundry stuff is you covering your ass. Bullshit decision and a chickenshit follow up.

You hate to see it.

A statement is given each time a high profile poster is banned. If one isn’t given, the community feels that staff isn’t being transparent and if we do, it can seem like dirty laundry in explaining the record and reasoning behind it. It’s somewhat a lose-lose but at least the statement route gives everyone the avenue of determining whether they agree/ disagree with it and at minimum, know what to avoid on their side to stay out of trouble.

I do understand the history and therefore @ElijahWood did have a point that maybe it does not matter what ultimately did it because Fawlty was on borrowed time.

I disagree with how the situation at hand was handled (plain wrong IMO, your quote does not change that there was no rule breach here if you take the context of the post. Calling an election unfair does not make it so, and calling that exchange an implied accusation does not make it so, either.)

I do not disagree with the rule. But I disagree with your interpretation of it, putting it mildly. Oeshon has admitted to paying whores in a country where it is known that a high percentage of sex workers are underage. Fawlty challenged him on whether he was actively taking measures to ensure he did not accidentally contribute to this disgusting section of the industry there. Reading an implied accusation into this is a highly curious interpretation.

In other words

I appreciate the response to the ban. I get certain contributors are pain in the ass and that there is a point when the mods get tired of their shit. IMO that line from Fawlty is far from a direct accusation.

I get that the mods and admin have to decide what sort of content is allowed to be posted, and at some level the site is responsible for the content that is allowed to be posted here. Fawlty may have broken several rules that he deserves to be banned for. I think the staff was wrong to use this instance to swing the hammer.

For Oeshon, they divulged certain information on a public forum about their sexual exploitation of women in Thailand. That information was given freely. Thialand has a well known problem with child sex trade. There is no age checking or safety net to insure that the women being exploited are of age. The people that are taking advantage of the prostitution, even of legal age individuals, are contributing to the underage sex trafficking that is happening there. It is a fucked up thing and should certainly be called out.

I get that you guys try to give more leeway to people that have contributed more, and dont always enforce the rules the same. This creates a lot of problems for the staff of this site and a lot of grey area in the rules.

I don’t think you are going to get to the same place here though I see where you’re coming from. That question amounts to asking a poster if they possibly slept with underaged women. We had a similar problem with this a year or so back (which really speaks to how long we’ve tried to get this subforum to stop fixating on this habit) where a poster was asking people if they could be entirely sure they haven’t watched underage porn since they didn’t verify all ages of the videos they watched. It just gets into the very thing we are begging you guys to stay away from here. There are plenty of ways to criticize Oeshon or others without going that specific direction or any of the other mentioned severe accusations. Additionally, if a poster says something you think is questionable to that subject, you can always report it for the staff to review. The difference of opinion here is understandable but if I can stress again, please take note of how these situations are being handled recently and try to adjust with that knowledge.

 

[JDragon]

A statement is given each time a high profile poster is banned. If one isn’t given, the community feels that staff isn’t being transparent and if we do, it can seem like dirty laundry in explaining the record and reasoning behind it. It’s somewhat a lose-lose but at least the statement route gives everyone the avenue of determining whether they agree/ disagree with it and at minimum, know what to avoid on their side to stay out of trouble.





I don’t think you are going to get to the same place here though I see where you’re coming from. That question amounts to asking a poster if they possibly slept with underaged women. We had a similar problem with this a year or so back (which really speaks to how long we’ve tried to get this subforum to stop fixating on this habit) where a poster was asking people if they could be entirely sure they haven’t watched underage porn since they didn’t verify all ages of the videos they watched. It just gets into the very thing we are begging you guys to stay away from here. There are plenty of ways to criticize Oeshon or others without going that specific direction or any of the other mentioned severe accusations. Additionally, if a poster says something you think is questionable to that subject, you can always report it for the staff to review. The difference of opinion here is understandable but if I can stress again, please take note of how these situations are being handled recently and try to adjust with that knowledge.

I appreciate the subtle hints and the lengthy response.

Still, what I take away from this is that it is okay to criticize Oeshon, but not okay to mention the problem of human trafficking and underage prostitution in Thailand.

Fwiw, someone who unwittingly fucks a 17yo or watches a video on Pornhub that he is unaware features an underage participant clearly is not someone anyone would call the p-word. It's like calling someone who unwittingly slept with a tranny gay: dumb and unrealistic.

To me, it is just a horrible look. It feels like a Nazi sympathizing, whore monging expat and former mod is getting protected and rules are being bent backwards to make it possible. Not saying this has happened here, and again, I appreciate that bans are being discussed at all, I am just being open regarding how I feel.

 

[ShinkanPo]

@ShinkanPo

@tonni

North Asians is my preference I think they are cute some don't like the pale skin but for me its so beautifull.

 

[ShinkanPo]

This looks like one of those new advanced sex dolls

The Phone Filters ruined it but I know north Asians can have natural fair and smooth skin.

I had Korean schoolmates,Japanese schoolmates and Chinese.


They can be naturally cute.

 

[tonni]

@tonni

North Asians is my preference I think they are cute some don't like the pale skin but for me its so beautifull.

You do you, I'll never rip on someone for that and I probably have weird taste anyway.

 

[Lead]

a Nazi sympathizing, whore monging expat

Like I mentioned, you can see there are other tolerable ways of flaming that guy without getting in trouble.

The accusation thing is anything related to minors and not meant to get into the distinctions of how young. When we say we don’t want discussions about it, that includes general age of consent discussions too which have been shut down multiple times in the past.

 

[BAM]

I appreciate the subtle hints and the lengthy response.

Still, what I take away from this is that it is okay to criticize Oeshon, but not okay to mention the problem of human trafficking and underage prostitution in Thailand.

Fwiw, someone who unwittingly fucks a 17yo or watches a video on Pornhub that he is unaware features an underage participant clearly is not someone anyone would call the p-word. It's like calling someone who unwittingly slept with a tranny gay: dumb and unrealistic.

To me, it is just a horrible look. It feels like a Nazi sympathizing, whore monging expat and former mod is getting protected and rules are being bent backwards to make it possible. Not saying this has happened here, and again, I appreciate that bans are being discussed at all, I am just being open regarding how I feel.

There is a difference between what Trotsky did and what Fawlty did.

Trotsky was having a quick back and forth in a thread with Oeshon and his original post got reported. It was something that happened in the moment. He got points, which tipped him over to a temp ban, rather than a permanent ban. Oeshon made it public knowledge that he reported the post, which people, including Fawlty, reacted to.

After Trotsky's ban, Fawlty had time to think it over and plan it out, and rather than continue in the existing thread to give an opinion, he tagged Oeshon in the Lounge. To me that signalled that he wanted to 'right a wrong' and confront Oeshon and have him get maligned in this thread, where Trotsky has a lot of support. I don't think he tagged Oeshon because he was interested in having a policy debate about the consequences of indirectly supporting criminal activity through lawful, controversial activity. Rather, he wanted to in essence avenge Trotsky. Reminds me a bit of the anti-Wolves with Keys campaign from about 5 years back.

The importance of the subforum's rule is a bit lost on me, other than to cut down on trolling and avoid unfavourable google search indexing. However, what Fawlty did in relation to the sex trafficking talk has been described in the past as "skirting the rules", for the rule, which isnt thought of favourably. While everyone has been fixated on whether or not he broke a specific subforum rule, what he did would constitute member harassment, which applies sitewide.

In considering what to do next, it would be appropriate to weigh his post history, which would include the good, the bad and the ugly. While Fawlty has an illustrious post history with a lot of funny and witty posts; he also has a history of member harassment and site insurrection under his banner as well. Moderating folks like fawlty isn't the easiest because you're trying to strike a balance between fairness to other users, by having in essence equality before the law, and on the other hand, consider what is in the best interests of the site commercially and what the impact is likely to have on the posting community. It's weighing a lot up.

I don't like that he's banned, but I'm hardly shocked this happened. What they did is consistent with what happens with most high profile posters.

 

[JDragon]

There is a difference between what Trotsky did and what Fawlty did.

Trotsky was having a quick back and forth in a thread with Oeshon and his original post got reported. It was something that happened in the moment. He got points, which tipped him over to a temp ban, rather than a permanent ban. Oeshon made it public knowledge that he reported the post.

On the other hand, Fawlty had time to think it over and plan it out, and rather than continue in the existing thread to give an opinion, he tagged Oeshon in the Lounge. To me that signalled that he wanted to 'right a wrong' and confront Oeshon and have him get maligned in this thread, where Trotsky has a lot of support. I don't think he tagged Oeshon because he was interested in having a policy debate about the consequences of indirectly supporting criminal activity through lawful, controversial activity. Rather, he wanted to in essence avenge Trotsky. Reminds me a bit of the anti-Wolves with Keys campaign from about 5 years back.

The importance of the subforum's rule is a bit lost on me, other than to cut down on trolling and avoid unfavourable google search indexing. However, what Fawlty did in relation to the sex trafficking talk has been described in the past as "skirting the rules", for the rule. While everyone has been fixated on whether or not he broke a specific subforum rule, what he did would constitute member harassment, which applies sitewide.

In considering what to do next, it would be appropriate to weigh his post history, which would include the good, the bad and the ugly. While Fawlty has an illustrious post history with a lot of funny and witty posts; he also has a history of member harassment and site insurrection under his banner as well. Moderating folks like fawlty isn't the easiest because you're trying to strike a balance between fairness to other users, by having in essence equality before the law, and on the other hand, consider what is in the best interests of the site commercially and what the impact is likely to have on the posting community. It's weighing a lot up.

I don't like that he's banned, but I'm hardly shocked this happened. What they did is consistent with what happens with most high profile posters.

Thanks for your thoughts. The rule is unspecific and difficult to handle, I personally hate it. But you are making a good point regarding poster harrassment.

Btw I think we need way more Starman avs

 

[Ruprecht]

The importance of the subforum's rule is a bit lost on me, other than to cut down on trolling and avoid unfavourable google search indexing.

Also my understanding is that the site owners have no interest in this discussion being on the forum or being contacted by posters with complaints about this again.

 

[irish_thug]

@irish_thug

Of course you make chainmail... what don't you do?? You probably have a foundry and a blacksmithing shed.

...how about scale mail?

The foundry and forge are a little over half way done. Starting out small. Never tried my hand at scale mail.

 

[Deleted member 539235]

The foundry and forge are a little over half way done. Starting out small. Never tried my hand at scale mail.

i'm gonna go ahead and assume you know of michaelcthulhu?

 

[BAM]

The foundry and forge are a little over half way done. Starting out small. Never tried my hand at scale mail.

I find metalwork restoration interesting. There are really cool videos where knives, swords and axes are brought back to life in which the metal was 100s of years old and rusted to hell.

That and car restorations. Really good shit

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

The lounge is like a soap opera. The collective meltdown over the banning of a "high profile poster" is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

You guys need turn off the computer and get some air. Go for a walk and do some emotional and spiritual house cleaning.

 

[A Lurker]

@Social Distance Warrior make a twitch account

And an onlyfans account.

 

[irish_thug]

i'm gonna go ahead and assume you know of michaelcthulhu?

Irish Mike is legend

 

[irish_thug]

I find metalwork restoration interesting. There are really cool videos where knives, swords and axes are brought back to life in which the metal was 100s of years old and rusted to hell.

That and car restorations. Really good shit

A simple vinegar bath can do wonders for metal tattoos lost to oxidation.

 

[BAM]

The lounge is like a soap opera. The collective meltdown over the banning of a "high profile poster" is the most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

You guys need turn off the computer and get some air. Go for a walk and do some emotional and spiritual house cleaning.

It's par for the course for the forum in the closer knit, smaller communities. I have seen the same in the sports bar, kickboxing S&P, mayberry, plats and OT.

 

[irish_thug]

You guys need turn off the computer and get some air. Go for a walk and do some emotional and spiritual house cleaning.

That's a strange way of saying "get moonshine blind "

 

[Deleted member 539235]

Irish Mike is legend

love his builds, always doing it with the bare minimum...pretty much just a forge, welder and angle grinder

man shit

 

[irish_thug]

love his builds, always doing it with the bare minimum...pretty much just a forge, welder and angle grinder

man shit

He replicated a hammer from a series of fantasy novels a few years ago that was next level craftsmanship. Blew me away because it was such a departure from the norm for him.