WAR ROOM LOUNGE V19: Gamblers Anonymous

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sniper said:
I cant believe that nazi pulled us out of the Paris accord!

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Is this the part where we put on our goofy hats and pretend Trump is responsible for 2017 emissions in any way whatsoever?
 
Trotsky said:
I wouldn't agree with that, unless you're just meaning "top contenders" as a way to distinguish Conor as being a higher quality opponent than GSP's defense (a statement I'd agree with). Khabib is more aggressive and offensive-minded, but GSP completely rendered his opponents harmless - at no point during the matches did they look anything but hopeless. From his win over Hughes (II) and through the next nine fights, I believe he only lost one round, the fifth against Shields, which seemed like a pity score to me anyways. That's three stoppages and 39 won rounds to only 1 lost round.
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Something's off here. After he beat Hughes, he got KO'd by Serra, and then he won a 2-1 decision over Koscheck. Two judges gave Shields Rounds 4 and 5. But, yeah, if you start from the second win over Hughes, you have seven fights where he didn't lose a round and had two finishes. What I'm saying is that Khabib is that dominant but wins the rounds by a bigger margin. It's splitting hairs, but I'm saying that he's an incredibly dominant fighter. He beat Iaquinta 5-0 with two 10-8 rounds on two judges' cards (the other gave him one) and Barboza 3-0 with two judges giving him two 10-8 rounds and another giving him three (biggest combined margin for all three cards in a three-round fight ever). Finished Johnson but had a couple of 10-8 rounds in there. Finished McGregor in the 4th with one 10-8 round before that.
 
Fawlty said:
Is this the part where we put on our goofy hats and pretend Trump is responsible for 2017 emissions in any way whatsoever?
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Cutting the EPA budget 31% helps because then they have less money to produce CO2.

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Jack V Savage said:
I think *more*, though he is already 30 so he won't have as long a reign. He should change his nickname to Khabib "10-8" Nurmagomedov.
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Maybe someone like Colby will come down from WW and challenge him, or he'll go up and beat the champ, and then I'd agree he can pass GSP. I think he needs to defend at least 4 or 5 times at LW, otherwise. Sounds like you're implying in terms of pure dominance over the competition he's faced he's already there, which is hard to argue with.
 
MiniCraque said:
Not to mention most guys towards the end of the HW spectrum are better served trying to get into different sports. If you're 6'4 or above, 265 pounds lean, chances are you were already drafted towards college football. You'd be an idiot if you decided to get punched in the face for a living with those kinds of athletic credentials.
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Football might be better money, but I doubt its much better for you healthwise.
Baseball and basketball are where the smart a-level athletes gravitate.
 
And Ferguson beats Khabib, so as amazing as Khabib is, he's not going to be mentioned in the same breath as GSP with regards to all time greats.
 
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Jack V Savage said:
Something's off here. After he beat Hughes, he got KO'd by Serra, and then he won a 2-1 decision over Koscheck. Two judges gave Shields Rounds 4 and 5. But, yeah, if you start from the second win over Hughes, you have seven fights where he didn't lose a round and had two finishes. What I'm saying is that Khabib is that dominant but wins the rounds by a bigger margin. It's splitting hairs, but I'm saying that he's an incredibly dominant fighter. He beat Iaquinta 5-0 with two 10-8 rounds on two judges' cards (the other gave him one) and Barboza 3-0 with two judges giving him two 10-8 rounds and another giving him three (biggest combined margin for all three cards in a three-round fight ever). Finished Johnson but had a couple of 10-8 rounds in there. Finished McGregor in the 4th with one 10-8 round before that.
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What is difficult in these conversations is measuring the quality of opponents in two different divisions. GSP utterly dominated Dan Hardy but he doesn't get major kudos because many felt Hardy didn't belong in there. Iaquinta is a fun fighter and has talent but he is not championship level, so it feels like GSP's win over Hardy. Barboza is a really good win (similar to GSP over Condit?) and beating McGregor is enormous, but I'd argue GSP fought better competition and that explains why Khabib is more dominant. You may be right that Khabib is a more dominant fighter btw. GSP fought using an intelligent strategy which minimized risk to him and to fight in a way where he had the advantage (dominate Hardy on the ground, kick box Shields for example). Khabib tries to kill you and does it. So from that standpoint I think you're right.

I think if Khabib beats the breaks of off Furgeson it's time to put him on that level. I think he needs one more big, top level win. But I think dominating Furgeson will be more difficult than McGregor given his wrestling chops and all around awkwardness.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Something's off here. After he beat Hughes, he got KO'd by Serra, and then he won a 2-1 decision over Koscheck. Two judges gave Shields Rounds 4 and 5. But, yeah, if you start from the second win over Hughes, you have seven fights where he didn't lose a round and had two finishes. What I'm saying is that Khabib is that dominant but wins the rounds by a bigger margin. It's splitting hairs, but I'm saying that he's an incredibly dominant fighter. He beat Iaquinta 5-0 with two 10-8 rounds on two judges' cards (the other gave him one) and Barboza 3-0 with two judges giving him two 10-8 rounds and another giving him three (biggest combined margin for all three cards in a three-round fight ever). Finished Johnson but had a couple of 10-8 rounds in there. Finished McGregor in the 4th with one 10-8 round before that.
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I think that there has been a push to award more 10-8's and 10-10's since GSP's string of consecutive rounds won so that might account for that. Not to say you're wrong, but I think GSP also had many rounds that would be 10-8's by today's standards.

Edit: or, umm what he said:
kpt018 said:
What is difficult in these conversations is measuring the quality of opponents in two different divisions. GSP utterly dominated Dan Hardy but he doesn't get major kudos because many felt Hardy didn't belong in there. Iaquinta is a fun fighter and has talent but he is not championship level, so it feels like GSP's win over Hardy. Barboza is a really good win (similar to GSP over Condit?) and beating McGregor is enormous, but I'd argue GSP fought better competition and that explains why Khabib is more dominant. You may be right that Khabib is a more dominant fighter btw. GSP fought using an intelligent strategy which minimized risk to him and to fight in a way where he had the advantage (dominate Hardy on the ground, kick box Shields for example). Khabib tries to kill you and does it. So from that standpoint I think you're right.

I think if Khabib beats the breaks of off Furgeson it's time to put him on that level. I think he needs one more big, top level win. But I think dominating Furgeson will be more difficult than McGregor given his wrestling chops and all around awkwardness.
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Let me back off a second here. I'm not saying that Khabib is as good as GSP was (it's certainly possible, but he hasn't shown it yet--has a much lower floor and lower midpoint because of that). But in terms of how dominant he's been against the top guys in the division so far, he's ahead at this point. Obviously if he loses to Ferguson or Lee or struggles against either, that's not true anymore.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Let me back off a second here. I'm not saying that Khabib is as good as GSP was (it's certainly possible, but he hasn't shown it yet--has a much lower floor and lower midpoint because of that). But in terms of how dominant he's been against the top guys in the division so far, he's ahead at this point. Obviously if he loses to Ferguson or Lee or struggles against either, that's not true anymore.
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Who are the top guys Khabib has fought, in your opinion?
 
kpt018 said:
What is difficult in these conversations is measuring the quality of opponents in two different divisions. GSP utterly dominated Dan Hardy but he doesn't get major kudos because many felt Hardy didn't belong in there. Iaquinta is a fun fighter and has talent but he is not championship level, so it feels like GSP's win over Hardy. Barboza is a really good win (similar to GSP over Condit?) and beating McGregor is enormous, but I'd argue GSP fought better competition and that explains why Khabib is more dominant. You may be right that Khabib is a more dominant fighter btw. GSP fought using an intelligent strategy which minimized risk to him and to fight in a way where he had the advantage (dominate Hardy on the ground, kick box Shields for example). Khabib tries to kill you and does it. So from that standpoint I think you're right.

I think if Khabib beats the breaks of off Furgeson it's time to put him on that level. I think he needs one more big, top level win. But I think dominating Furgeson will be more difficult than McGregor given his wrestling chops and all around awkwardness.
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And GSP would've finished Hardy but he didn't wanna break his arm.
Dude has more top 5 wins than Anderson and Fedor combined so I'd cut him some slack on that fight. Hardy was still #5 at the time and GSP had already beaten #2, #3, and #4.
 


I'm super curious how much this guy would make in tips at a bar like this in the States. I put it that way cause I don't know what the culture is for tipping in a place like Moscow.

Also, just applied for a bartender job at a local restaurant. IF I got it it'd be my first time as a bartender
 
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