War Room Lounge v172: Hoodie Season redux: Stand back and Stand by for the shitshow

[Gregolian]

I think that actually goes to one of Lenin's most glaring character flaws: his rigid personal severity. For instance, Krushchev also despised drunkards and persons who were irresponsible with their station and thought drinking to excess reflected poorly on a man's character, but he still drank socially to politick. If Lenin were more flexible in that way, he might not have cultivated such an ultra-serious, and ultimately deadly, culture in high Soviet bureaucracy.

Wasn't Krushchev so against drunkards and people that would be classified as "dereliction of duty" in this day and age that there are rumors of him shooting officers under his command during WWII for drinking?

 

[MMAisGod]

I think you're unnecessarily complicating it. I don't deny that he has it. My point is just that it doesn't take a mastermind to just say that something is true when that thing is not true.

Nah man you're adding 1+1 without context. It's simple. Yea you or me can tell our boss "hey John Boss I have Covid, I'm isolating" and it is what it is. But the POTUS or the White House officials can't do that, since he/they legit cannot lie about it without the all the daily tests showing they are negative, and negative, and negative. I mean, he coulddddd, technically, just say it as a lie "hey fellas I have Covid", yea, but it would doom him since the scandal by this weekend alone would be historic levels. That's what I'm saying lol. If he starts popping negative tests this weekend I'll eat the largest pile of crow ever seen, but I think there's no chance he'd lie about this given the circumstance.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think that actually goes to one of Lenin's most glaring character flaws: his rigid personal severity. For instance, Krushchev also despised drunkards and persons who were irresponsible with their station and thought drinking to excess reflected poorly on a man's character, but he still drank socially to politick. If Lenin were more flexible in that way, he might not have cultivated such an ultra-serious, and ultimately deadly, culture in high Soviet bureaucracy.

I think in dealing witha severe problem you need some severity but I'm not nearly as well read on the man as you are so I'll defer to your take here.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I think in dealing witha severe problem you need some severity but I'm not nearly as well read on the man as you are so I'll defer to your take here.

Some Poles are attempting a lighter touch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Beer-Lovers'_Party

The Polish Beer-Lovers' Party (PPPP; Polish: Polska Partia Przyjaciół Piwa) was a satirical Polish political party that was founded in 1990 by satirist Janusz Rewiński. Originally, the party's goal was to promote cultural beer-drinking in English-style pubs instead of vodka and thus fight alcoholism.[1]

 

[Trotsky]

Some Poles are attempting a lighter touch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Beer-Lovers'_Party

The Polish Beer-Lovers' Party (PPPP; Polish: Polska Partia Przyjaciół Piwa) was a satirical Polish political party that was founded in 1990 by satirist Janusz Rewiński. Originally, the party's goal was to promote cultural beer-drinking in English-style pubs instead of vodka and thus fight alcoholism.[1]

Aww, that's so cute.

 

[MMAisGod]

Man sometimes I really wish I could fire half of the staff and replace them with interns or something. Seems impossible to get a larger group of people that are good workers for a longer period of time. Always some lazy bums or some dimwits working their way in somehow.

 

[Gregolian]

Man sometimes I really wish I could fire half of the staff and replace them with interns or something. Seems impossible to get a larger group of people that are good workers for a longer period of time. Always some lazy bums or some dimwits working their way in somehow.

Probably less working their way in and more they become that way while working there. I go through bouts of it at my current job.

Some Poles are attempting a lighter touch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Beer-Lovers'_Party

The Polish Beer-Lovers' Party (PPPP; Polish: Polska Partia Przyjaciół Piwa) was a satirical Polish political party that was founded in 1990 by satirist Janusz Rewiński. Originally, the party's goal was to promote cultural beer-drinking in English-style pubs instead of vodka and thus fight alcoholism.[1]

I initially read this as "bear lover's party" and was SO confused when I saw talk of beer drinking and pubs.

 

[Gandhi]

I'm going to say something my progressive friends might not like.

I do not think Trump was signaling white supremacist groups or even the Proud Boys to actually "stand by" as if waiting for action, in the way it's being portrayed in the media. While I understand this reaction, I really do think it was a slurry of words that he essentially meant to say "stand down" and not to cause trouble in the election. Yes, him not taking the opportunity to clearly condemn them was irresponsible and typical of him, but it was not imo any sort of "order" in any way, and wasn't meant in solidarity with them.

I think looking for the worst creates noise so I generally agree with the sentiment. But the quote followed by a “someone had to do something about the Antifa left” makes me not want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Me never knows who these guys are (Dduke remembers).

 

[CubicleGangster]

Has anyone made the joke about how Trump finally passed a test without cheating?

If not, I will shamelessly take credit for the joke I stole off reddit

 

[Andy Capp]

Liberals have been calling Trump Hitler and worst things. A fascist, the worst thing to ever happen to America, etc. Just balls deep TDS for four years.

And now I'm supposed to be praying for him and sending thoughts and prayers?

No thanks.

I am staying firmly on the fence in "no comment" land regarding my personal feelings about him or FLOTUS getting sick, so, note that I see it as a matter of objective reality when I say it's a good thing for the country, probably, so if I were the thoughts and prayers sort, that's the direction in which I would be sending them, may whatever happens as a result be a net positive because sure as fuck America doesn't need any more negative this year, if I may say so from the outside looking in. The country is proper fucked if something really good--whether expected or unforeseen--doesn't come of the election.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

 

[Shoemaker]

Lost @ "how long are your guts?"

 

[Quipling]

I think looking for the worst creates noise so I generally agree with the sentiment. But the quote followed by a “someone had to do something about the Antifa left” makes me not want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Me never knows who these guys are (Dduke remembers).

Also followed by his election results comments.

 

[MMAisGod]

Probably less working their way in and more they become that way while working there. I go through bouts of it at my current job.

Yea but I have a thing about that. Like, if you're in a job in the same position for too long, stagnant, unhappy, etc, then why still there? If you aren't growing in the company you're in, it's very likely some self-reflection is needed. If you are, but are still unhappy, maybe it's time to move on. I don't get people staying in a company for years just to stink it up, and then get mad at the company or other employees who do well. But there's a good amount of that, probably everywhere.

 

[Gregolian]

Yea but I have a thing about that. Like, if you're in a job in the same position for too long, stagnant, unhappy, etc, then why still there? If you aren't growing in the company you're in, it's very likely some self-reflection is needed. If you are, but are still unhappy, maybe it's time to move on. I don't get people staying in a company for years just to stink it up, and then get mad at the company or other employees who do well. But there's a good amount of that, probably everywhere.

It's why I left my last job.

I liked what I did, I liked my coworker, I loved my boss... but my last county you conly got promoted based on "time in". Even if I applied for other county jobs if someone there for a month longer than me applied they'd get first dibs over me. I got fed up with that and left cause where I work now, even though it's still a public job, there's more opportunity for movement and they reward people that want to take on more responsibility.

 

[TheMinority]

Man sometimes I really wish I could fire half of the staff and replace them with interns or something. Seems impossible to get a larger group of people that are good workers for a longer period of time. Always some lazy bums or some dimwits working their way in somehow.

Thats why you have to crack the whip early and as often as necessary. Set clear expectations from the get go and never let up until you see they are capable of self-governing (most people arent). You have to weed out the slackers early on or else it will come back to bite you. They build up like plaque if you let them. Once you have dependable workers you can just "supervise" and guide rather than manage.

 

[Gregolian]

@MMAisGod

My dad was a captain on an LNG ship. He would do his job in tours of 4 months (4 months on, 4 months off). The captain he rotated with was good at his job but a shit disciplinarian. Never failed when my dad took over within a day or two he'd have to fire someone for smoking pot in their cabin or walking around in flip flops or fucking smoking someplace they aren't supposed to on the ship.

 

[Prokofievian]

Yea but I have a thing about that. Like, if you're in a job in the same position for too long, stagnant, unhappy, etc, then why still there? If you aren't growing in the company you're in, it's very likely some self-reflection is needed. If you are, but are still unhappy, maybe it's time to move on. I don't get people staying in a company for years just to stink it up, and then get mad at the company or other employees who do well. But there's a good amount of that, probably everywhere.

Did you ever ask one of these people why they don't seem to like what they're doing?

 

[Wet Blanket]

Yea but I have a thing about that. Like, if you're in a job in the same position for too long, stagnant, unhappy, etc, then why still there? If you aren't growing in the company you're in, it's very likely some self-reflection is needed. If you are, but are still unhappy, maybe it's time to move on. I don't get people staying in a company for years just to stink it up, and then get mad at the company or other employees who do well. But there's a good amount of that, probably everywhere.

Well, working sucks.

Some weirdos enjoy it. For me, every day at the office is a day wasted. I feel like Ron Swanson does about wasting govt money, except it's my time at work.

 

[MMAisGod]

Thats why you have to crack the whip early and as often as necessary. Set clear expectations from the get go and never let up until you see they are capable of self-governing (most people arent). You have to weed out the slackers early on or else it will come back to bite you. They build up like plaque if you let them. Once you have dependable workers you can just "supervise" and guide rather than manage.

This is actually very true. Agree with all of it.

@MMAisGod

My dad was a captain on an LNG ship. He would do his job in tours of 4 months (4 months on, 4 months off). The captain he rotated with was good at his job but a shit disciplinarian. Never failed when my dad took over within a day or two he'd have to fire someone for smoking pot in their cabin or walking around in flip flops or fucking smoking someplace they aren't supposed to on the ship.

Wow haha. Yea, I can see that as a captain. I don't know if there's any way around it either, you still need a crew at the end of the day so you're gonna get it at a certain amount.

Did you ever ask one of these people why they don't seem to like what they're doing?

That's hard to answer. As in, I have a few times, but the answer I typically have received I don't relate too. BUT, if you hear the same answer there has to be something to it, but it's hard for me to hear someone say things like "I feel overworked without opportunity" or something, when I see tons of opportunity". Or "I don't know if we are appreciated", when we're throwing money and them right and left lol. The answers never seem to match up with what's actually happening, and rarely comes from the highest performers.