War Room Lounge v168: The Un-safest Place

[PolishHeadlock2]

Sorry @Gregolian

 

[Fawlty]

Joe Biden voters don't even like Joe Biden.

This is the Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry talking point reborn, like it was in 2016 with Hillary. It's completely typical of right wing election strategy, but in this case isn't really true.

The point of the comment coming from the right is to rationalize the support or the enabling of a candidate with unpopular policy and/or bad character, or when coming from the both-sides left, an exercise in muddying a very clear and simple choice as a reaction to the lack of some ideal candidate.

 

[Falsedawn]

Returning fire when you’ve been shot at isn’t basic human instinct? That’s the wrong instinct? You don’t believe that.

I think it's kinda asinine to ding the guy for shooting but excusing the cops for returning fire.

It's like the pain response, how the fuck can cops use that as an excuse to trump up charges? All you gotta do is sic a dog on someone under the guise of being afraid and their natural pain response will constitute resisting arrest. Like, that's fucking nuts.

Let me tell you something, I don't give a fuck who you are, kick my door down and someone's dying. It may very well be me who dies, you may very well be screaming police, but there will be a gunfight. The onus is not on me to retard my instinct to defend my home, the onus is on the people kicking my door down to not kick my door down.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I think it's kinda asinine to ding the guy for shooting but excusing the cops for returning fire.

It's like the pain response, how the fuck can cops use that as an excuse to trump up charges? All you gotta do is sic a dog on someone under the guise of being afraid and their natural pain response will constitute resisting arrest. Like, that's fucking nuts.

Let me tell you something, I don't give a fuck who you are, kick my door down and someone's dying. It may very well be me who dies, you may very well be screaming police, but there will be a gunfight. The onus is not on me to retard my instinct to defend my home, the onus is on the people kicking my door down to not kick my door down.

I thought we’re talking about the charges against the cops? Idk what this guy has been charged with.

I’m just telling you you’re never gonna get a jury to convict cops of murder if they’re returning fire on someone who shoots at them first. Especially when they have a lawful reason to be there.

If I need to arrest someone a door isn’t standing in my way. If it’s a gunfight the cops aren’t just going to give up. That’s it.

 

[My Spot]

I thought we’re talking about the charges against the cops? Idk what this guy has been charged with.

I’m just telling you you’re never gonna get a jury to convict cops of murder if they’re returning fire on someone who shoots at them first. Especially when they have a lawful reason to be there.

If I need to arrest someone a door isn’t standing in my way. If it’s a gunfight the cops aren’t just going to give up. That’s it.

Her BF was originally charged with attempted murder but fortunately common sense prevailed.

 

[BEER]

@BEER I’d like to add that shooting when you can’t see the intruders is a terrible idea. They then know your location and the chance that you’ve fatally hit one is very slim.

Only one person was charged with firing blindly, and it wasn't a resident.

This is the Bush/Gore and Bush/Kerry talking point reborn, like it was in 2016 with Hillary. It's completely typical of right wing election strategy, but in this case isn't really true.

The point of the comment coming from the right is to rationalize the support or the enabling of a candidate with unpopular policy and/or bad character, or when coming from the both-sides left, an exercise in muddying a very clear and simple choice as a reaction to the lack of some ideal candidate.

Oh stop it. There is very little enthusiasm for Biden, even if he has been embraced by the Dem voters. He'll get his votes. He'll probably even win.

But there isn't much actual enthusiasm. No one is excited about Biden/Harris. People will vote for the Blue ticket because it's Blue, and it sure as shit isn't Trump, but no is having an increase in blood pressure or dick size for the DNC ticket this year.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I don’t agree with a lot of the procedural things the cops did leading up to this, but I think It’s insane to say that returning fire on a suspect who’s shooting at you is murder.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Only one person was charged with firing blindly, and it wasn't a resident.



Oh stop it. There is very little enthusiasm for Biden, even if he has been embraced by the Dem voters. He'll get his votes. He'll probably even win.

But there isn't much actual enthusiasm. No one is excited about Biden/Harris. People will vote for the Blue ticket because it's Blue, and it sure as shit isn't Trump, but no is having an increase in blood pressure or dick size for the DNC ticket this year.

Yeah and that’s a valid charge. Reckless discharge and he’s been fired already. Murder isn’t a valid charge though.

 

[Falsedawn]

I thought we’re talking about the charges against the cops? Idk what this guy has been charged with.

I’m just telling you you’re never gonna get a jury to convict cops of murder if they’re returning fire on someone who shoots at them first. Especially when they have a lawful reason to be there.

If I need to arrest someone a door isn’t standing in my way. If it’s a gunfight the cops aren’t just going to give up. That’s it.

Yeah, but the entire reason they were fired upon is because they kicked someone's door down. Cause and effect. They caused themselves to get shot at, that's a complete cycle of events. I'm simply not going to be convinced that kicking someone's door down is EVER going to be an acceptable course of action, especially when gun ownership is explicitly bandied around as the reason cops seemingly mag dump on every noncompliant person they see these days. That sword cuts both ways. If you don't want to get shot at, don't do no-knock warrants. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And then killing someone unrelated? Yeah, that's just not gonna fly.

 

[BEER]

I don’t agree with a lot of the procedural things the cops did leading up to this, but I think It’s insane to say that returning fire on a suspect who’s shooting at you is murder.

Yeah.

I think it's insane that cops can knock on a door and then kick it down and then have immunity to kill people when they defend their homes from intruders.

But here we are.

 

[HockeyBjj]

I put mini burritos on rice like sushi.

I had a sushi burrito from a truck vendor in Vegas once. It worked extremely well. Rice, meat, sauce. All rolled up. I can't believe I never realized they were cousins before

 

[Fawlty]

Only one person was charged with firing blindly, and it wasn't a resident.



Oh stop it. There is very little enthusiasm for Biden, even if he has been embraced by the Dem voters. He'll get his votes. He'll probably even win.

But there isn't much actual enthusiasm. No one is excited about Biden/Harris. People will vote for the Blue ticket because it's Blue, and it sure as shit isn't Trump, but no is having an increase in blood pressure or dick size for the DNC ticket this year.

I think you should refresh on this, as polling has detected quite a change from a couple months back when "enthusiasm" was all the rage. Biden is doing fine in this area.

And that's without getting into net enthusiasm (negative fire about the opponent), where Biden crushes.

(Plus it's mostly bullshit to begin with)

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Being against no knock warrants is bipartisan. It should have never happened. But when the no knock warrant was authorized by law and the other party shoots first, how can you convict someone of murder for returning fire?

I haven’t read the report, but I’ve served hundreds of high risk felony warrants. In any event we had to breach a door, as was done in this case, we immediately are yelling “POLICE! POLICE!” Home invaders in the middle of the night don’t usually break the door off the hinges with a loud thud. But we never do no knock warrants out here.

What do you think he should have been charged with? This was pretty much the conversation I had with a friend of mine explaining why the murder charge wouldn't happen.

Would dumping his mag have saved her life? We'll never know unfortunately.

We also know he was caged until the news broke and then released. Funny how that happens when a cop gets justiably shot. Check the man in Texas being constantly harassed to this day (lmao at them giving the cop who shot the other cop a medal)
https://www.cracked.com/personal-ex...learn-after-shooting-cop-in-self-defense.html

Now let's look at what the cops did after he stood his ground legally.

The suit claims officers from the Louisville Metro Police Department "threatened Kenny's life, illegally detained Kenny, interrogated him under false pretenses, ignored his account as corroborated by neighbors, and arrested and jailed Kenny."

Listen to those screams. Those cops have killed before. Listen to the pain in her voice. Why are they still on the raid team? This was a tragic incident of course. One that should never have happened. But it did. And what happens next was earned. Could have stopped it, didn't have to beat in doors in the middle of the night, could have pulled those cops, actions have consequences and Louisville PD is about to learn that. Cops represent justice? When?

Also I apologize for not having all my stuff on hand, you know I like to drop as many links as possible, but I'm at work on my phone and had a couple vodka crans lol and most of my Breonna Taylor slaying stuff is back at the apartment.

We've seen two precincts burn for the crimes of their officers, I wonder if we'll see another, and when you guys lie and protect your own, when you fire good officers for stopping an overzealous cop, when you cheer for eachother and walk out because a cop shoved an old man to the ground.

Well. Sometimes these things happen. Much like Breonna Taylor's slaying, what happens the next few days... Chalk it up to a tragic reaction to the failed war on drugs.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

IT'S FUCKING FILLER SO THEY DON'T GIVE YOU AS MUCH PROTEIN OF YOUR CHOICE

If all you want is " protein " then have a steak .

Fyi there is protein in rice

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

IT'S FUCKING FILLER SO THEY DON'T GIVE YOU AS MUCH PROTEIN OF YOUR CHOICE

If all you want is " protein " then have a steak .

Fyi there is protein in rice

 

[Andy Capp]

I agree. I’ve never done a no knock or a late night warrant service. It’s basically not done out here.

In your scenario you look to see what you’re shooting at before you fired? Because this guy didn’t he just opened fire and of course the police returned fire.

Say you’re a cop and it’s your job to follow the orders of your superiors and the judge and execute this warrant. You go to do it and get shot at. You wouldn’t return fire? You think it’s murder to return fire on someone shooting at you?

How about retreating? Is there a reason they apparently never considered that?

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

So

Yeah.

I think it's insane that cops can knock on a door and then kick it down and then have immunity to kill people when they defend their homes from intruders.

But here we are.

So what’s the solution? You can never arrest someone in their own home? If they don’t open the door for you you just have to leave? Doesn’t seem too plausible, but if you want lobby your local legislature.

 

[My Spot]

So

So what’s the solution? You can never arrest someone in their own home? If they don’t open the door for you you just have to leave? Doesn’t seem too plausible, but if you want lobby your local legislature.

"99% of cops are scum."

 

[Gregolian]

Sorry @Gregolian

Fucking dipshits

 

[Gregolian]

If all you want is " protein " then have a steak .

Fyi there is protein in rice

Diabetic, I avoid rice where I can.