War Room Lounge v161: Shoot her in good conscience.... she had a long run

[Higus]

@Jesus H. Sherdog
Yuengling wasn't in distributed in MA or some other New England States for a while. IIRC, I think it started showing up sometime in the in the aughts. I remember when I lived in CT n the mid 2000's and my buddies would bring back a 24 pack whenever they went to NYC.

 

[Gregolian]

I think it's possible the first shooting is self defense... but all the shooting after is a bit iffy.

Everyone at that street had the right to feel threatened and protect themselves and others from a shooter. They don't know what's going on.

There are people just loitering around while the second shooting is going on, the area was very crowded.

Using an AR for self defense in a crowd like that is also pretty damn dangerous.

I'm not excusing what he did straight up. Shooting any gun with a crowd of folks around like that is stupid as shit. Even a 9mm load can overpentrate a person and hurt other's near them. The only gun I know of that won't really over-penetrate a human body would be a .300 blackout subsonic round with a suppressor on it but you aren't going to see many folks run that due to it being expensive.

He never should have been in that situation. It also lends creedence to the argument that open carrying makes you a fucking target for people. MOST folks that are gun people will admit that. Utah allows open carry, Washington allows open carry. I have owned firearms while living in both states but I would NEVER open carry unless it was an instance of me using a shoulder holster under a coat and I take the coat off someplace.

Most firearm trainers even say open carrying will make you a target. So it may be legal but if you have the gun for personal safety....... get a CWL and conceal that bitch.

I feel bad for the second two that got shot, whatever they did before doesn't mean they deserve to get kill or maimed in the street and they saw an armed person shoot someone else so they could've been doing what they thought was right.

First guy was clearly belligerent and asking for it though. And I also feel bad for Kyle. Maybe he needs to do time but like I said he seems like a misguided kid who was at the wrong place at the wrong time and it sucks to think his life will be derailed for this.

I can't. I was talking with @Dizzy about this in the NFL thread and it's my job that causes me to look at people's history. A person's history does matter a little bit to me. Especially with domestic violence and philia eek: was the first one shot I think). DV people often re-offend and that dude took a bullet to the bicep so maybe next time he tries to hurt someone he physically may not be able to. So... net gain of we come out even? The dude was in for 17 years or some shit and was convicted when he was near 18 which means his victim was likely under 12. FUCK that guy, he also failed to register at least once and was a Level III risk to re-offend.

So... dude fucked around and found out and that altercation the world came out as a net positive.

 

[Lead]

What's your first grip usually? Are you trying to hook their legs with your feet at all? I feel like it would be nice to more aggressively chase them down: you don't see this sort of thing at higher levels so there must be some reason why it's just obviously bad.

Usually the guys will either try to go north south, or they'll try to torreando. Against north south they can't really do it because of my knees and I just reguard. Against torreando I go for their sleeves which can result in an easy tripod sweep, or de la riva X, bolos that sort of thing. If they're on their knees, I go right for the bus driver sweep and hunt triangles.

It depends on the person. If they lead with their legs, my initial contact might be my leg hooking. If they lead upper body, it could be collar, sliding down collar and pulling out lapel, or a sleeve grip.

Like someone mentioned above, I think it benefits to just start standing to begin with, even if the intention is to work bottom cause you could get up or land the sweep off the momentum of pulling them down. That and if your wrestling is better than them, you might get a takedown instead. I know a lot of gyms are too crowded to always have that luxury but it’s definitely important to get comfortable on your feet.

 

[Higus]

 

[Deleted member 539235]

What happened to the Kyle Rittenhouse thread?

Was gonna post this in it

Look, first off the kid should've never been there and his mom is irresponsible as fuck for driving him there in the first place. The other adults were wrong too, especially the cops who should've checked his ID and seen he was too young to open carry. And he was clearly there for the wrong reasons, inspired by the polarization to go protect a place he seems to have had little connection to.

All that said holy shit this boy is quite the operator at the age of 17. Dude shows a lot of restraint, as he should since he has no business being there. He gets chased by a clearly belligerent man and only fires after having something thrown at him and being chased for some time. When he shoots the man he tries to remove himself from the situation and walks a mile down the road but ends up being chased still. He trips and gets kicked by one man that he does not fire at, skater boi hits him with a skateboard and tries to take his gun and only then does he fire at him. Third guy points a gun in his direction and this boy shoots his arm, not sure if that's intentional but he only shot once and then left despite the clear threat there. I mean, isn't that what some call for police to do, to shoot at limbs to disable instead of kill? This boy did that. In between every shot he points the barrel in a safe direction and keeps his finger off the trigger until he has to shoot. He handles his gun way better than, for instance, those two shithead lawyers who pointed theirs at protesters and had their fingers on the trigger(at least the wife did). Hell if cops showed this much restraint maybe we wouldn't even have these protests though to be fair cops can't run from threats, they have to deal with them.

If you told me that some bootlicking high school drop out shot three protesters and killed two of them I would assume the worst of him. But having the video and the context it really seems like he wasn't that bad and that he's just a misguided kid at the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm glad he's arrested and charged so this can be sorted out, I'm not a lawyer so maybe a strong argument can be made that he broke the law. But it really looks like self defense to me, maybe not legally in the sense that he may have done something to invalidate that defense and if so then sure punish him. But in terms of the fact that he wasn't going out of his way to shoot people.

All in all, I say #FreeKyle

is it bad i sat through that video just to see if this meme was legit? (still real to me damnit!)

Why the fuck was some dude handing out BJ's during the whole Kenosha shooting(s) fiasco?

 

[Gregolian]

If you abide by the concept of a social contract (maybe not purely the way Locke wrote of it or the extreme of Hobbes) but at least in some fashion... the government has to step up and do something. I get they are ok with folks venting their frustration and shit but the aspect that causes people to start breaking windows and lighting shit on fire?... The government exists partially to prevent shit like that. We give up certain things (supposedly) for that safety that our homes (and in the modern world businesses and such) would be protected in some fashion by the government.

Add in it feels like for some that the government has decided to neglect that part of their job or they ar estanding aside for now... COUPLED with many folks being stuck in their houses since March if they were trying to follow the governmental guidelines and shit.... we've hit a boiling point where either the country continues to burn for another 6 months or more or some of the glass breakers and fire starters will have a boot on their dick to try and stop it.

 

[Fawlty]

If you abide by the concept of a social contract (maybe not purely the way Locke wrote of it or the extreme of Hobbes) but at least in some fashion... the government has to step up and do something. I get they are ok with folks venting their frustration and shit but the aspect that causes people to start breaking windows and lighting shit on fire?... The government exists partially to prevent shit like that. We give up certain things (supposedly) for that safety that our homes (and in the modern world businesses and such) would be protected in some fashion by the government.

Add in it feels like for some that the government has decided to neglect that part of their job or they ar estanding aside for now... COUPLED with many folks being stuck in their houses since March if they were trying to follow the governmental guidelines and shit.... we've hit a boiling point where either the country continues to burn for another 6 months or more or some of the glass breakers and fire starters will have a boot on their dick to try and stop it.

I like your point about the social contract, and I think it would be useful to point out how it has begun to dissolve under this presidency, and that it's highly likely to further dissolve under his continuing "leadership."

 

[Gregolian]

I like your point about the social contract, and I think it would be useful to point out how it has begun to dissolve under this presidency, and that it's highly likely to further dissolve under his continuing "leadership."

His presidency has caused everything to become about "political point scoring".

It feelsl ike there are very few folks at the Federal level that actually care about doing their job. It's more about political point scoring to shore up their base so they can get re-elected now.

HELL, look at the majority of the leadership in both parties. SOME have been in office LONGER THAN MANY OF US IN THIS THREAD have been ALIVE. There are folks in position of power in this country that first took public office when they were still dictating law office pleadings via a tape recorder for a secretary or assistant to type... ON A TYPE WRITER. To quote a friend of mine from Seattle:
"Some of these fucks were in power for the first time when floppy discs, that were actually bendable and floppy.... were BRAND NEW."

Bernie is the only one that feels genuine (I honestly can't name a Republican that falls into that save for MAYBE Rand Paul but he doesn't have the backbone his dad did to stick to his guns no matter what) but even Bernie has been around so goddamn long and nothing he suggests seems to catch even in his own party so he feels a tad like a lame duck.

 

[tonni]

If you abide by the concept of a social contract (maybe not purely the way Locke wrote of it or the extreme of Hobbes) but at least in some fashion... the government has to step up and do something. I get they are ok with folks venting their frustration and shit but the aspect that causes people to start breaking windows and lighting shit on fire?... The government exists partially to prevent shit like that. We give up certain things (supposedly) for that safety that our homes (and in the modern world businesses and such) would be protected in some fashion by the government.

Add in it feels like for some that the government has decided to neglect that part of their job or they ar estanding aside for now... COUPLED with many folks being stuck in their houses since March if they were trying to follow the governmental guidelines and shit.... we've hit a boiling point where either the country continues to burn for another 6 months or more or some of the glass breakers and fire starters will have a boot on their dick to try and stop it.

It's a classic. Create chaos, enforce order.

 

[Gregolian]

It's a classic. Create chaos, enforce order.

"The ones selling the pill created the sickness"

 

[Fawlty]

It's a classic. Create chaos, enforce order.

Incompetence and malice create chaos naturally (and sometimes shit has no known cause anyway), so it doesn't have to be intentional. When it becomes as clearly intentional as it is today under Trump, you know you have a very big problem.

 

[HereticBD]

No, as a matter of fact I have not.

There will be times where that man deeply regrets teaching his dog to do that.

 

[tonni]

"The ones selling the pill created the sickness"

Quite literally, in the case of pharma.

 

[Gregolian]

Quite literally, in the case of pharma.

It's fucking trash.

 

[tonni]

It's fucking trash.

The quote, or the manufacturing?

 

[CubicleGangster]

Always thought this video was great when I was younger but now that I am older I have a deeper appreciation for it. I mean just look at that fine ass lady, god damn.

yo @Spliff where da weed at?

Also, Flip Mode is the greatest

 

[Gregolian]

The quote, or the manufacturing?

The way pharma runs. I agree with what you said

 

[tonni]

The way pharma runs. I agree with what you said

Do you know how to read? You should try reading Pharmageddon, it's great.

 

[Gregolian]

Do you know how to read? You should try reading Pharmageddon, it's great.

This feels like it's going to be the pharmacutical version of The Jungle.

 

[tonni]

@Gregolian I'm still dreaming about being your sidekick when you're working as a bouncer. I know, you left that life behind, but the roadhouse needs you and I got your back.