War Room Lounge v153: Without Floyd it's an amazing sport.

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@Prokofievian You're an engineer, right?

For the physics people, answer me this:

In terms of being struck by a projectile, is there any effect to the projectile traveling at a speed in excess of whatever speed it would take to fully penetrate your body?

That is, let's say you get hit in the torso by a bullet or an arrow and it travels all the way through and comes out the other side completely. Now let's say it took it traveling at 100 mph for that to happen. What would be the difference, then, for getting hit by the same arrow/bullet traveling at...1,000 mph? Does the excess heat generated when it travels through the body have any destructive effect? I presume that there isn't any more transfer of kinetic energy for a 1,000 mph projectile than a 100 mph projectile since they are both retaining that kinetic energy in completely penetrating your body.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Trump is upset

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I mean, it's understandable.

Without college sports, all college is is a bunch of building with....books and....learning.

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Prokofievian said:
It is so fucking hot here right now. No wind. No clouds. No rain until Friday apparently.
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It's 91F here with a Real Feel of 101F.

And it feels extra disgusting because we're loosing the battle to the Spotted Lanternfly. These fuckers are everywhere
 
Trotsky said:
@Prokofievian You're an engineer, right?

For the physics people, answer me this:

In terms of being struck by a projectile, is there any effect to the projectile traveling at a speed in excess of whatever speed it would take to fully penetrate your body?

That is, let's say you get hit in the torso by a bullet or an arrow and it travels all the way through and comes out the other side completely. Now let's say it took it traveling at 100 mph for that to happen. What would be the difference, then, for getting hit by the same arrow/bullet traveling at...1,000 mph? Does the excess heat generated when it travels through the body have any destructive effect? I presume that there isn't any more transfer of kinetic energy for a 1,000 mph projectile than a 100 mph projectile since they are both retaining that kinetic energy in completely penetrating your body.
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Force is mass times acceleration. The faster the object (bullet or arrow) hits your body the more the tissue/bone it rips through accelerates from 0 to it's speed in your body to further damage beyond just the hole the bullet left. That sudden acceleration of tissue from 0 to being blasted away by the bullet creates a shockwave effect.

You're correct in that the energy left in the bullet upon penetration out the back ends up being "wasted" and that's precisely why mushrooming and hollowpoint bullets were invented. So that they can increase drag inside the body so as to impart a greater amount of that energy before exiting. It's not just about increasing diameter to make a bigger hole.

Fast 55 grain .223 round vs "slow" 45 grain .22 round




@Gregolian I know you've got a good answer for this as well
 
PolishHeadlock2 said:
It's 91F here with a Real Feel of 101F.

And it feels extra disgusting because we're loosing the battle to the Spotted Lanternfly. These fuckers are everywhere
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You guys should release thousands of frogs and bats.

Worst case scenario, you have a lot of frogs and bats.
 
Prokofievian said:
I mean, you guys didn't score this game.
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True, and I'm not excusing that, but Andersen has been the great deflator for years letting in the weakest of goals at the worst possible times, and I'm tired of hearing how he's "the best goalie in the league. Look at his stats!", when he's just a big ass brick who is naturally gonna pad his stats with routine saves, simply because he's big and covers a lot of the net. He's like our Patrick Lalime, and I assume his career is gonna take the same swan dive, when he gets traded.

I've been off the Andersen bandwagon for years, but it looks like people are starting to come around, and giving him the blame he is due. He's simply not the guy who is gonna get the job done when it counts. Not that he's the only one of course, but he's the most important one.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Auction is definitely way more intensive. I’d prefer not to, but I know some people pushed hard for it last year.

Like last year a live snake draft we all did would be great. If someone vanishes after round 10 auto picks past that point aren’t a big deal. But even regular draft really don’t want anyone autodrafting starters or notable bench
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Auction is the best format to seperate the wheat from the chaff but takes awhile , adding a 2qb and an extra flex also benifts those who do their homework.

For the war room my vote is snake , superflex 2 RB , 3wr , te , 2 flex , k , d

I'm not opposed to ditching k and or d

My 2 cents
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
Auction is the best format to seperate the wheat from the chaff but takes awhile , adding a 2qb and an extra flex also benifts those who do their homework.

For the war room my vote is snake , superflex 2 RB , 3wr , te , 2 flex , k , d

I'm not opposed to ditching k and or d

My 2 cents
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Yeah we’ll get a couple days here to finalize the 12 team leauge, maybe 14 if some other want to jump in. And then all chip in with our 2 cents and see what shakes out.

Agree that auction is where the masters can shine, but I just feel that’s too much time for a freebie non local leauge. Doing a live snake in about 3 hours last year on a weeknight was fun. Everything else you said there was this leauge, just with 1qb not superflex. We’ll see if we add SF and keep the “extra” wr and flex since not just 10 teams or not.
 
HockeyBjj said:
Force is mass times acceleration. The faster the object (bullet or arrow) hits your body the more the tissue/bone it rips through accelerates from 0 to it's speed in your body to further damage beyond just the hole the bullet left. That sudden acceleration of tissue from 0 to being blasted away by the bullet creates a shockwave effect.

You're correct in that the energy left in the bullet upon penetration out the back ends up being "wasted" and that's precisely why mushrooming and hollowpoint bullets were invented. So that they can increase drag inside the body so as to impart a greater amount of that energy before exiting. It's not just about increasing diameter to make a bigger hole.

Fast 55 grain .223 round vs "slow" 45 grain .22 round




@Gregolian I know you've got a good answer for this as well
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A good example is comparing the damage a 45-70 does to something vs a more traditional North American hunting round in the .300 Win Mag keeping in mind the 45-70 comes in a grain weight of like 300 grains vs the .300 WinMag that is which is between 150 and 200.


The 45-70 is almost too big to use for hunting cause of the damage it leaves in it's wake. The .300 causes a fair amount of damage but doesn't leave a massive trail of destruction so you lose less meat to bone and bullet fragments polluting it.

The 45-70 and the .375 H&H you CAN hunt in North America with it but you lose a ton of meat. They're more commonly considered "safari rounds" ie, used for hunting giant shit in like Africa or Asia or protecting yourself from Grizzlies and Polar Bears in Alaska
 
Trotsky said:
I mean, it's understandable.

Without college sports, all college is is a bunch of building with....books and....learning.

tenor.gif
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I don't know, I don't wanna see what the Deep South in the fall will turn into without their college footbaw
 
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I really think that conservation/global warming/material consumption is the one issue where right-wingers derp out in the most obscene way.

Yes, more than crime, BLM, immigration, taxes, or anything else. At least with those they make shitty points, filled in with exaggeration and crappy deductions, but at least they have points. When it comes to environmental issues, it's straight insults and ad hominems.

The latest abortion:

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...ass-extinction-event-on-planet-earth.4126340/
 
Trotsky said:
@Prokofievian You're an engineer, right?

For the physics people, answer me this:

In terms of being struck by a projectile, is there any effect to the projectile traveling at a speed in excess of whatever speed it would take to fully penetrate your body?

That is, let's say you get hit in the torso by a bullet or an arrow and it travels all the way through and comes out the other side completely. Now let's say it took it traveling at 100 mph for that to happen. What would be the difference, then, for getting hit by the same arrow/bullet traveling at...1,000 mph? Does the excess heat generated when it travels through the body have any destructive effect? I presume that there isn't any more transfer of kinetic energy for a 1,000 mph projectile than a 100 mph projectile since they are both retaining that kinetic energy in completely penetrating your body.
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From a hunting stand point... the .308, 30-06 and the .300 Win Mag all use the same actual bullet just with different powder loads in it:
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That's them left to right. The .300 WinMag by nature of the powder amount will travel faster than the other two. The reasons hunters like to use fast bullets for saying hunting elk is it is less like to begin to tumble and rip apart the meat so you don't lose a bunch to damage loss when you harvest it. There's an episode of MeatEater where Steven Rinella demonstrates how to completely break down a whole deer into usable cuts of meat and notes that one one of them there was bad shot placement that put bullet and bone fragments in a ton of meat and he loses like half of a tenderloin because of it. It's another reason the ideal shot placement on any deer species is a double lung or heart shot. You lose minimal meat and it puts the animal down incredibly fast.
 
Trotsky said:
@Prokofievian You're an engineer, right?

For the physics people, answer me this:

In terms of being struck by a projectile, is there any effect to the projectile traveling at a speed in excess of whatever speed it would take to fully penetrate your body?

That is, let's say you get hit in the torso by a bullet or an arrow and it travels all the way through and comes out the other side completely. Now let's say it took it traveling at 100 mph for that to happen. What would be the difference, then, for getting hit by the same arrow/bullet traveling at...1,000 mph? Does the excess heat generated when it travels through the body have any destructive effect? I presume that there isn't any more transfer of kinetic energy for a 1,000 mph projectile than a 100 mph projectile since they are both retaining that kinetic energy in completely penetrating your body.
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They have different kinetic energies. Kinetic energy is 1/2 m v^2. You get that from the definition of kinetic energy, being the amount of work done to accelerate the object to the velocity v. When the bullet hits the object, if it penetrates or not, there is still a reaction from the body that it is penetrating which is proportional to the impact force, which is proportional to the kinetic energy. So yes, it causes a lot more damage. If you shot someone with a projectile that had enough energy, they'd vapourize. IIRC, Nasa has a gun to test what happens when little space particles strike satellites and space craft at orbital velocities (several miles per second), and the answer is the spacecraft often vapourizes.

Take this as a practical example: do a belly flop from 3 feet, and then do a belly flop from 9 feet. You are penetrating the water in both cases, but the water does a lot more damage to you when you jump from 9 feet than if you jump from 3 feet.
 
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