WAR ROOM LOUNGE V12: Mao With Noir

[HomerThompson]

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Also can’t decide if it’s beer or liquor tonight. I don’t get a chance to hang out like a bachelor much.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Waiting now for fights to start, my buddy’s the co main, cornered by Drew Dober. Who’s actually fighting Tuck In a couple of weeks. Send some luck sherbros.

Also can’t decide if it’s beer or liquor tonight. I don’t get a chance to hang out like a bachelor much.

Tuck's a friend of a friend (more than one, actually including maybe my best friend). Gotta root against Dober, and I'll be sending him bad thoughts. Maybe even poking a voodoo doll, I don't know. Sorry, man.

 

[HomerThompson]

Tuck's a friend of a friend (more than one, actually including maybe my best friend). Gotta root against Dober, and I'll be sending him bad thoughts. Sorry, man.

 

[Trotsky]

On the plus side, probably not some bitch who'll report you for rubbing one out in their presence.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Tuck's a friend of a friend (more than one, actually including maybe my best friend). Gotta root against Dober, and I'll be sending him bad thoughts. Maybe even poking a voodoo doll, I don't know. Sorry, man.

No worries, we all have to stick by our boys. One thing I know is it will be a great fight.

 

[sickc0d3r]

George Thorogood really brings me back. And yep... that's how it went down.

 

[Fawlty]

Thinking about flopping it out makes me feel so...liberal. I could vote for Bernie right now. Oh yeah. Ladies...?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I hate when people act like racism doesn't exist. A good buddy of mine battered someone last night because he called him the N word several times. I also hate when white people act like black people aren't called the N word anymore.

It's pretty crazy the racism I've seen, I legit heard a couple on the streetcar who sounded like they were from Fargo say "I didn't think there were so many of them here" and point and noticeably uncomfortable. It was wild, and you legitimately overhear quite a bit of racist stuff on Bourbon because African Americans are a majority here.

I don't know, it just seems so sad that racism exists still. A black comedian friend of mine and I were talking about it, and he essentially said "Sometimes it feels like white people just want us hear to entertain them, not live by them" I wish more people would just realize that watching international news isn't the same thing of meeting people of different cultures. People are just people.

 

[senri]

I hate when people act like racism doesn't exist. A good buddy of mine battered someone last night because he called him the N word several times. I also hate when white people act like black people aren't called the N word anymore.

It's pretty crazy the racism I've seen, I legit heard a couple on the streetcar who sounded like they were from Fargo say "I didn't think there were so many of them here" and point and noticeably uncomfortable. It was wild, and you legitimately overhear quite a bit of racist stuff on Bourbon because African Americans are a majority here.

I don't know, it just seems so sad that racism exists still. A black comedian friend of mine and I were talking about it, and he essentially said "Sometimes it feels like white people just want us hear to entertain them, not live by them" I wish more people would just realize that watching international news isn't the same thing of meeting people of different cultures. People are just people.

Which is why they must be corrected Mr Agony... These individual are fragments of their abstract essence, they must be made whole...

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Which is why they must be corrected Mr Agony... These individual are fragments of their abstract essence, they must be made whole...

You terrify me.

 

[senri]

You terrify me.

You don't need to be scared Mr Agony. I'm here to assuage your existence towards your primal self. You are well on your way, love to see your instagram pictures, it shows that you are marinating nicely...

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I hate when people act like racism doesn't exist. A good buddy of mine battered someone last night because he called him the N word several times. I also hate when white people act like black people aren't called the N word anymore.

It's pretty crazy the racism I've seen, I legit heard a couple on the streetcar who sounded like they were from Fargo say "I didn't think there were so many of them here" and point and noticeably uncomfortable. It was wild, and you legitimately overhear quite a bit of racist stuff on Bourbon because African Americans are a majority here.

I don't know, it just seems so sad that racism exists still. A black comedian friend of mine and I were talking about it, and he essentially said "Sometimes it feels like white people just want us hear to entertain them, not live by them" I wish more people would just realize that watching international news isn't the same thing of meeting people of different cultures. People are just people.

People overthink shit.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

You don't need to be scared Mr Agony. I'm here to assuage your existence towards your primal self. You are well on your way, love to see your instagram pictures, it shows that you are marinating nicely...

Don't be out flirting in public. Thought we had a date.

 

[waiguoren]

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/h...ial-diversity-is-bad-for-the-country.3802429/

BTW, you revealed a lot in that thread. Probably more than you intended to.

What did I reveal?

You were simply asserting that some very important cases were decided incorrectly *and thus that the rulings should be ignored*.

That never happened.

you said you wanted it phased out, which would bring about mass poverty.

I disagree.

Please post a poll showing that people are moving away from Trump on illegal immigration.

everyone opposes illegal immigration.

Most in your party disagree with Trump's proposals for dealing with illegal immigration.

Trump's stated view is that legal immigration is to be encouraged, so the Pew poll you posted does not show that people are "moving away from Trump" on that question. Also, you claimed without evidence that the change in perception demonstrated in the Pew poll is related to Trump. That's a non-obvious assumption that demands support. I doubt it's true.

 

[waiguoren]

BTW, @waiguoren, you never explained your attack in the other thread.

I thought you were trolling in that other thread because your comment was so ridiculous.

43% of *Republicans* said "mostly positive"! American values are really winning people over

1. You have posted multiple times on these forums that you have no preference on the racial/ethnic breakdown of the US. Yet here you are taking support for a majority-minority nation to be indicative of "American values", which you imply are positive. This really made it clear that you were trolling.
2. To justify your statement, you would need to demonstrate that a 43/57 Republican breakdown is a significant change from past breakdowns. I'll wait for that data. Don't try to compare to another polling outfit's data.
3. Your presumptuousness in implicitly declaring yourself an arbiter of "American values" is hilarious and very troll-like.

(probably helped along as part of the backlash against Trump).

The backlash against Trump...right. Trump's approval ratings are near his highest ever as president. His approval rating for his immigration policy has stayed stable at close to 50%. Again, too sloppy for a normal JVS post. Very troll-like.

 

[Jack V Savage]

1. You have posted multiple times on these forums that you have no preference on the racial/ethnic breakdown of the US. Yet here you are taking support for a majority-minority nation to be indicative of "American values", which you imply are positive. This really made it clear that you were trolling.
2. To justify your statement, you would need to demonstrate that a 43/57 Republican breakdown is a significant change from past breakdowns. I'll wait for that data. Don't try to compare to another polling outfit's data.
3. Your presumptuousness in implicitly declaring yourself an arbiter of "American values" is hilarious and very troll-like.

1. I wouldn't engineer a change or anything like that. The issue is that it's happening anyway, and so do people think it's mostly good or mostly bad. The fact that almost half of Republicans see it as mostly good is an indicator that they're embracing an idea of humanity that is liberal and American rather than an older or Counter-Enlightenment one (de Maistre said he'd only seen "Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”). It's not trolling to support universalism. The fact that you think it is (despite the fact that the vast majority of Americans do and that it is an essential part of Americanism as such) reveals quite a lot about your own thinking.
2. Nah. The results were surprising to me, and not in a bad way (as the TS in that thread suggested). I'll be happy about the good news without jumping through your hurdles.
3. It's not even controversial. The kind of particularism or ethnonationalism you support is fundamentally anti-American.

Start 3:30 in (there's a version of you):

 

[waiguoren]

I wouldn't engineer a change or anything like that.

But you suddenly supported the change, despite expressing no preference on it within the past few months. The irony is that the 43/53 Republican breakdown is better reflective of your previous position than the 95/5 Democrat breakdown.

The fact that almost half of Republicans see it as mostly good is an indicator that they're embracing an idea of humanity that is liberal

That's a funny definition of "liberal". I'd say the "liberal" position is your former position (which you've apparently changed) stating no preference. Also, you originally implied that this was a change/improvement over the past, but still haven't provided any evidence for that.

an idea of humanity that is...American

Again, declaring yourself the arbiter of which views are American and which are unAmerican is very presumptuous. Also, I don't see why "Americanism" implies that the nation be majority-minority. The nation's roots certainly have nothing to do with such a notion.

Counter-Enlightenment one (de Maistre said he'd only seen "Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on. I even know, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be Persian. But as for man, I declare I’ve never encountered him.”).

Right, and your previous view embraced the Enlightenment view. Your new view would be something totally alien to Enlightenment thinkers, who never wrote of the supposed desirability of a majority-minority state.

It's not trolling to support universalism. The fact that you think it is

That never happened.

Nah. The results were surprising to me, and not in a bad way (as the TS in that thread suggested). I'll be happy about the good news without jumping through your hurdles.

Your previous comment implied that the 43% figure was an increase from the past. You have no evidence to support that claim. You should admit fault.

The kind of particularism or ethnonationalism you support is fundamentally anti-American.

Ethnonationalism....now you're just getting desperate.

 

[Jack V Savage]

But you suddenly supported the change, despite expressing no preference on it within the past few months.

I think you're confusing wanting the change and reflecting on it and seeing it as mostly positive.

That's a funny definition of "liberal". I'd say the "liberal" position is your former position (which you've apparently changed) stating no preference. Also, you originally implied that this was a change/improvement over the past, but still haven't provided any evidence for that.

My former position is my current position, which is essentially color-blindness. As I related in the thread, the changes have a good chance to spread that (my ideal would be that Americans of all racial backgrounds come to see "American" as their primary ethnic category).

That never happened.

What never happened? You didn't accuse me of trolling simply for holding a universalist view (that what men have in common--their potential to reason--is more important than accidental differences)?

Your previous comment implied that the 43% figure was an increase from the past. You have no evidence to support that claim. You should admit fault.

Ethnonationalism....now you're just getting desperate.

I responded to this. I don't think I said anything wrong, but I'm not jumping through your hurdles. Why do you think opposition to ethnonationalism (and description of it as unAmerican) are desperate? Especially since it's coming from a position of strength--my observation that the good guys are winning.

 

[waiguoren]

I think you're confusing wanting the change and reflecting on it and seeing it as mostly positive.

That appears to be a meaningless distinction. If you perceive a change to be coming, and you think it will be positive, it's fair to say you want it.

My former position is my current position, which is essentially color-blindness.

That's my position too. But your new position contradicts that position (see above).

my ideal would be that Americans of all racial backgrounds come to see "American" as their primary ethnic category

That's a pipe dream. Hasn't even happened in Brazil of all places.

What never happened? You didn't accuse me of trolling simply for holding a universalist view (that what men have in common--their potential to reason--is more important than accidental differences)?

Correct.

Why do you think opposition to ethnonationalism (and description of it as unAmerican) are desperate?

You didn't describe ethnonationalism as unAmerican. You described the belief that projected demographic changes will be mostly negative as unAmerican. There's a wide gulf there that you overlooked.

Why do you think [labeling you as an ethnonationalist] is desperate?

Because you're losing this argument badly and you resorted to mischaracterizing my position in a desperate attempt to gain back ground.