WAR ROOM LOUNGE V12: Mao With Noir

[waiguoren]

My statement was that support for immigration is rising, and I think that it's a result of the backlash against Trump. The first part of the statement can be directed checked, and it is, in fact, true. My statement was not that views of Trump's immigration policies have changed since the election. Do you think your approach here is honorable?

What? I am flabbergasted.

Your statement was:

And Trump's presidency is actually moving people away from his dumb position on immigration.

My response was, that contradicts this:

 

[Gregolian]

I get this undying need to post this video every time I see @Jack V Savage and @waiguoren in a thread together:

 

[waiguoren]

My statement was not that views of Trump's immigration policies have changed since the election.

Your statement was:

And Trump's presidency is actually moving people away from his dumb position on immigration.

What is the difference between

"people are moving away from Trump's position on immigration"

and

"views of Trump's immigration policies have changed (negatively)"

?

 

[Jack V Savage]

What? I am flabbergasted.

So can I assume that you will not acknowledge that constantly hammering a non-sequitur to discredit an objectively true statement is dishonorable? That is disappointing. And you continue to refuse to explain your attack in the other thread. I will read one more response and then ignore if that continues.

 

[waiguoren]

So can I assume that you will not acknowledge that constantly hammering a non-sequitur to discredit an objectively true statement is dishonorable? That is disappointing. And you continue to refuse to explain your attack in the other thread. I will read one more response and then ignore if that continues.

I'm being honest here. I am very confused. I am assuming no foul play on your part, and I genuinely cannot comprehend how the plot I posted doesn't contradict your statement.

If I recall correctly, I thought you were trolling in the other thread. Could you remind me?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I'm being honest here. I am very confused. I am assuming no foul play on your part, and I genuinely cannot comprehend how the plot I posted doesn't contradict your statement.

If I recall correctly, I thought you were trolling in the other thread. Could you remind me?

My statement is confirmed by the polling data I cited. Your chart doesn't address my statement. But maybe if you post it 20 more times without addressing that my claim is definitively proved right by the polling data, you'll change the past or the polling data?

Why would you accuse me of trolling there?

 

[waiguoren]

My statement is confirmed by the polling data I cited. Your chart doesn't address my statement. But maybe if you post it 20 more times without addressing that my claim is definitively proved right by the polling data, you'll change the past or the polling data?

Why would you accuse me of trolling there?

If

"the trump presidency is moving people away from his positions on immigration"

then how is it possible for Trump's immigration favorability rating to stay constant?

I forget what the other thread was about. You'll have to remind me.

 

[Jack V Savage]

If

"the trump presidency is moving people away from his positions on immigration"

then how is it possible for Trump's immigration favorability rating to stay constant?

Don't care about that issue and it isn't related to my point. Public support for immigration is rising, I believe that is driven by backlash against Trump (I don't see what else would be causing it).

I forget what the other thread was about. You'll have to remind me.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/h...ial-diversity-is-bad-for-the-country.3802429/

 

[waiguoren]

Don't care about that issue and it isn't related to my point. Public support for immigration is rising, I believe that is driven by backlash against Trump (I don't see what else would be causing it).

Jack, one of two things is going on here.

1) You don't think the plot I posted contradicts your statement that "the trump presidency is moving people away from his position on immigration", but you don't want to help me understand why the statements are not contradictory.

2) You think that the plot contradicts your statement, but you want to redefine your statement to refer to only one small aspect on Trump's immigration position.

I like to engage with you because I usually think you make a good faith effort to explain your views and argue the facts. I'm not seeing that here.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Jack, one of two things is going on here.

1) You don't think the plot I posted contradicts your statement that "the trump presidency is moving people away from his position on immigration", but you don't want to help me understand why the statements are not contradictory.

2) You think that the plot contradicts your statement, but you want to redefine your statement to refer to only one small aspect on Trump's immigration position.

I like to engage with you because I usually think you make a good faith effort to explain your views and argue the facts. I'm not seeing that here.

I don't agree with your characterization that opposition to immigration is one small aspect of Trump's immigration position. It *is* his immigration position. I don't see any contradiction at all between my claim and your unrelated info.

I thought you were going to attempt to explain your attack in the other thread.

 

[Gregolian]

 

[Jack V Savage]

I feel like it could have been settled with one post. Once I posted the Pew link, wai should have just said, "Oh, OK." Case closed.

 

[waiguoren]

I don't agree with your characterization that opposition to immigration is one small aspect of Trump's immigration position. It *is* his immigration position. I don't see any contradiction at all between my claim and your unrelated info.

Ok, thank you for finally explaining that. Yes, I will respond to the other thread but I'm a step-by-step kind of guy.

To say that a reduction in legal immigration *is* Trump's immigration position is simplistic.

• Building a border wall
• Removing Obama-era restrictions on ICE
• Ending birthright citizenship
• Making e-verify mandatory for employers
• Kate's Law

These are just a sampling of Trump's immigration positions that have nothing to do with reducing legal immigration.

I'll wait for a response before I move on.

 

[Fawlty]

My thread is turning into a cunt.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Ok, thank you for finally explaining that. Yes, I will respond to the other thread but I'm a step-by-step kind of guy.

To say that a reduction in legal immigration *is* Trump's immigration position is simplistic.

Sure, but that is particularly dumb. Immigration is just free money. I also don't want to get into arguments about the details of his positions.

 

[senri]

Sure, but that is particularly dumb. Immigration is just free money. I also don't want to get into arguments about the details of his positions.

But you need to keep this going Mr Savage. I need you to fuse and secrete with Mr Waiguoren, the fluids being produced are exquisite. We need to taste....

 

[senri]

You going to be near White Rock Pier today?

 

[waiguoren]

edit

 

[Fawlty]

When you spend a half hour dicking around trying to print an uncooperative .pdf, and finally just screen-shot the motherfucker.

 

[Gregolian]

When you spend a half hour dicking around trying to print an uncooperative .pdf, and finally just screen-shot the motherfucker.

I'm at that stage at my courthouse job for the week where I just kinda want to light all the paper on my desk on fire and walk out.