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War Room Lounge v116: Where does the "incestuous" part come in though? That's the juicy part.

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The US stagnating as everything, but as death has decreased since 1-2 weeks ago.

Spain had a record low on 18th.

Italy stagnating, France the same but there were deaths yesterday.

In the UK is far from being over, but in the last week it has all decreased.

We have chances to recover from it. IN Europe. We need low cases like in China until the middle of June or even July.
Sorry to sound like a pessimist. But Spain having a low dip on a weekend means nothing.
Pretty much across the board every weekend I got excited about low numbers, then they went back up by Tuesday.
Spain friday:
5,891 cases
687 deaths
They still very much up there.
 
The US stagnating as everything, but as death has decreased since 1-2 weeks ago.

Spain had a record low on 18th.

Italy stagnating, France the same but there were deaths yesterday.

In the UK is far from being over, but in the last week it has all decreased.

We have chances to recover from it. IN Europe. We need low cases like in China until the middle of June or even July.
Deaths in the US have not decreased. Overall trend in the US is still upwards.
 
I'll allow it.

Although I haven't seen her before the surgery, and I still think she's not very good looking.
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@BarryDillon @luckyshot @Possum Jenkins

For the past week, we’ve watched this absurd spectacle where money is flying out the door of the Federal Reserve bailout programs, and the only person in a position to conduct oversight has nothing more than a Twitter feed. Bharat Ramamurti, the former Elizabeth Warren staffer who I interviewed last week, was until yesterday the only member of the Congressional Oversight Commission, a five-member panel outside of the executive branch (so Donald Trump can’t fire anyone associated with it) charged with monitoring the bailout.

Ramamurti and his tweets have been unusually effective, getting the Fed to agree to publish all transactions that use public funds, and some detailed information. But it’s clear that he needs some help: a staff, an office, and maybe the other four members on the panel to cover what could reach $4.5 trillion in corporate lending.

He got three of them yesterday. Republican leaders in the House and Senate chose nondescript Congressman French Hill (R-AR) and Chamber of Commerce mole Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA). The pick to watch was the House Democratic seat. There was no obligation to choose a sitting member of Congress, but Katie Porter (D-CA) was actively seeking the job, and really was the only member actively seeking the job. With deep experience in financial services and demonstrated aptitude with oversight, there was really no better person for the job.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi chose her friend, freshman Congresswoman Donna Shalala (D-FL).

This is a stunning selection. Shalala, according to sources, had no interest in the job. She has no expertise in the financial industry or the Fed.
The two committees that would prepare you for this position are Financial Services and Oversight (Porter sits on both). Shalala sits on Education and Labor and Rules. She’s on the early childhood education subcommittee, so if that ever comes up in discussing the Fed’s corporate bond or high-yield ETF purchases we’re in good shape.

Yes, Shalala was Health and Human Services Secretary. In her public statement, Pelosi highlights that, saying Shalala will “ensure that this historic coronavirus relief package is being used wisely and efficiently to protect the lives and livelihoods of the American people, and not be exploited by profiteers and price-gougers.”

But the oversight panel has nothing to do with public health or the pandemic. It’s supposed to examine Federal Reserve lending programs and whether they are assisting the public in economic stabilization and job recovery. These are deliberately complex programs that require for oversight someone with a passing familiarity with the financial system and corporate America. The only expertise Shalala has in all that comes from all the stocks she owns.

In Shalala’s most recent financial
disclosure dated May 2019, she lists share ownership in an array of companies that will be at the front of the line for a bailout. She holds shares in Boeing, as well as Alaska Airlines and Spirit Aerosystems, which builds a lot of pieces of Boeing aircraft. She owns Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Royal Dutch Shell, and Occidental Petroleum at a time of a historic crash in oil prices. She owns entertainment stock in Paramount, Live Nation, and AMC Theaters, the latter almost certainly headed to bankruptcy. She owns Choice Hotels; nobody’s staying in hotels. She owns TripAdvisor; nobody’s taking trips. She owns retailers and retail producers Ralph Lauren, L Brands, Burlington Stores, and Five Below; retail’s in trouble (she’s also got Walmart, so she’s OK there). She owns big banks JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of New York Mellon, BBVA Compass, and HSBC.

She owns between $301,000 and $615,000 in UnitedHealth, where she served on the board from 2001-2007, including during part of the time detailed in a 2017 Justice Department complaint accusing the insurer of overbilling Medicare for over $1 billion. That would reflect the very profiteering and price-gouging Pelosi said it was important for Shalala to scrutinize. I guess she has experience after all.

This list of stocks is very partial; the holdings go on for 26 pages

Sources tell me that Pelosi informed House Democrats that Shalala was chosen because she was “someone who reflected the beautiful diversity of our caucus.” I mean, her portfolio is diversified. Is the idea that Shalala will have to recuse herself from discussing any company receiving a bailout in which she has a financial interest?

Two of her holdings are particularly troubling on that front. Shalala owns direct stock in Moelis, one of three banks the Treasury Department has retained to handle aviation-related bailouts (for “no big fees,” Treasury Secretary Mnuchin has assured us). Part of the oversight panel’s job would be determining how Treasury is managing advisory services. This is a direct conflict of interest.

The holding in Moelis is small, no more than $15,000. But Shalala has between $202,000 and $555,000 in a number of iShares exchange-traded funds. Those are part of BlackRock, who is handling numerous bond-buying programs for the Federal Reserve, as an investment adviser and asset manager. One of the Fed’s programs will buy exchange-traded funds, including potentially funds in which Shalala owns shares.

These conflicts don’t even take into account that Shalala ran the Clinton Foundation for two years, giving her access to power at the highest levels. Or that she was the only non-financial member of the Municipal Assistance Corporation, the board that reworked New York City’s finances after the 1975 fiscal crisis, forcing numerous concessions on city unions. Or that she mismanaged the medical school at the University of Miami while serving as president, leading to hundreds of layoffs. Or that she sat on the board of homebuilder Lennar throughout the entire subprime mortgage crisis; Lennar owned a subprime lender.

So if your idea of a member of an oversight panel is someone overmatched, hopelessly compromised and conflicted, and unable to provide decent oversight, then Donna Shalala would be your choice. Draw your own conclusions about what that says about Pelosi’s interest in protecting taxpayers from corporate chicanery.

https://prospect.org/api/amp/corona...ezgj5EblFKUnCfwLfA3nx752KdZVSwTp3hUDWgxCwqb1Y
 
It's an amazing movie that they marketed as an action movie. The action in the movie is sparse and quick, but very well done. It serves the story and there's just no fat there at all as far as how it's edited. But they squeezed as much of it into trailers that people were expecting something different when they showed up to theaters. What a shame, because that movie is really intoxicating, from the cinematography to the music.

It's one reason I'm a bit nervous along with my excitement for Vilenuve's Dune. That movie is big budget, and big budget means more producer control. They'll want more action scenes. Can't complain about more action, I just hope it's still the movie Vilenuve wants to make.

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Well said. I’ll watch anything Vilenuve makes.
Also feel the need to add, Luv is one of my all time favorite villains.

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@BarryDillon @luckyshot @Possum Jenkins

For the past week, we’ve watched this absurd spectacle where money is flying out the door of the Federal Reserve bailout programs, and the only person in a position to conduct oversight has nothing more than a Twitter feed. Bharat Ramamurti, the former Elizabeth Warren staffer who I interviewed last week, was until yesterday the only member of the Congressional Oversight Commission, a five-member panel outside of the executive branch (so Donald Trump can’t fire anyone associated with it) charged with monitoring the bailout.

Ramamurti and his tweets have been unusually effective, getting the Fed to agree to publish all transactions that use public funds, and some detailed information. But it’s clear that he needs some help: a staff, an office, and maybe the other four members on the panel to cover what could reach $4.5 trillion in corporate lending.

He got three of them yesterday. Republican leaders in the House and Senate chose nondescript Congressman French Hill (R-AR) and Chamber of Commerce mole Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA). The pick to watch was the House Democratic seat. There was no obligation to choose a sitting member of Congress, but Katie Porter (D-CA) was actively seeking the job, and really was the only member actively seeking the job. With deep experience in financial services and demonstrated aptitude with oversight, there was really no better person for the job.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi chose her friend, freshman Congresswoman Donna Shalala (D-FL).

This is a stunning selection. Shalala, according to sources, had no interest in the job. She has no expertise in the financial industry or the Fed.
The two committees that would prepare you for this position are Financial Services and Oversight (Porter sits on both). Shalala sits on Education and Labor and Rules. She’s on the early childhood education subcommittee, so if that ever comes up in discussing the Fed’s corporate bond or high-yield ETF purchases we’re in good shape.

Yes, Shalala was Health and Human Services Secretary. In her public statement, Pelosi highlights that, saying Shalala will “ensure that this historic coronavirus relief package is being used wisely and efficiently to protect the lives and livelihoods of the American people, and not be exploited by profiteers and price-gougers.”

But the oversight panel has nothing to do with public health or the pandemic. It’s supposed to examine Federal Reserve lending programs and whether they are assisting the public in economic stabilization and job recovery. These are deliberately complex programs that require for oversight someone with a passing familiarity with the financial system and corporate America. The only expertise Shalala has in all that comes from all the stocks she owns.

In Shalala’s most recent financial
disclosure dated May 2019, she lists share ownership in an array of companies that will be at the front of the line for a bailout. She holds shares in Boeing, as well as Alaska Airlines and Spirit Aerosystems, which builds a lot of pieces of Boeing aircraft. She owns Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Royal Dutch Shell, and Occidental Petroleum at a time of a historic crash in oil prices. She owns entertainment stock in Paramount, Live Nation, and AMC Theaters, the latter almost certainly headed to bankruptcy. She owns Choice Hotels; nobody’s staying in hotels. She owns TripAdvisor; nobody’s taking trips. She owns retailers and retail producers Ralph Lauren, L Brands, Burlington Stores, and Five Below; retail’s in trouble (she’s also got Walmart, so she’s OK there). She owns big banks JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of New York Mellon, BBVA Compass, and HSBC.

She owns between $301,000 and $615,000 in UnitedHealth, where she served on the board from 2001-2007, including during part of the time detailed in a 2017 Justice Department complaint accusing the insurer of overbilling Medicare for over $1 billion. That would reflect the very profiteering and price-gouging Pelosi said it was important for Shalala to scrutinize. I guess she has experience after all.

This list of stocks is very partial; the holdings go on for 26 pages

Sources tell me that Pelosi informed House Democrats that Shalala was chosen because she was “someone who reflected the beautiful diversity of our caucus.” I mean, her portfolio is diversified. Is the idea that Shalala will have to recuse herself from discussing any company receiving a bailout in which she has a financial interest?

Two of her holdings are particularly troubling on that front. Shalala owns direct stock in Moelis, one of three banks the Treasury Department has retained to handle aviation-related bailouts (for “no big fees,” Treasury Secretary Mnuchin has assured us). Part of the oversight panel’s job would be determining how Treasury is managing advisory services. This is a direct conflict of interest.

The holding in Moelis is small, no more than $15,000. But Shalala has between $202,000 and $555,000 in a number of iShares exchange-traded funds. Those are part of BlackRock, who is handling numerous bond-buying programs for the Federal Reserve, as an investment adviser and asset manager. One of the Fed’s programs will buy exchange-traded funds, including potentially funds in which Shalala owns shares.

These conflicts don’t even take into account that Shalala ran the Clinton Foundation for two years, giving her access to power at the highest levels. Or that she was the only non-financial member of the Municipal Assistance Corporation, the board that reworked New York City’s finances after the 1975 fiscal crisis, forcing numerous concessions on city unions. Or that she mismanaged the medical school at the University of Miami while serving as president, leading to hundreds of layoffs. Or that she sat on the board of homebuilder Lennar throughout the entire subprime mortgage crisis; Lennar owned a subprime lender.

So if your idea of a member of an oversight panel is someone overmatched, hopelessly compromised and conflicted, and unable to provide decent oversight, then Donna Shalala would be your choice. Draw your own conclusions about what that says about Pelosi’s interest in protecting taxpayers from corporate chicanery.

https://prospect.org/api/amp/corona...ezgj5EblFKUnCfwLfA3nx752KdZVSwTp3hUDWgxCwqb1Y
Nancy Pelosi is a corporate shitbird, so this is no surprise.


The system is hopelessly corrupted, which is how we got to where we are now.
 
If you take away its religious aspects? Yes. Minus the scripture and sermon, it's a social club. And I'd venture to predict that the considerable majority of religious persons in the US care more about the community than the theology, based on how little most of them know about the Bible, its stories, and its lessons.

One of the most important things I learned in my sociology of organizations seminar was that fringe religious cults offered social, communal bonds first and THEN religious/theological belief.

People cannot fathom how so many people followed the David Koresh or Jim Jones' craziness but the vast majority of its members had things in common: to various degrees they were socially isolated, loners, abused, marginalized. The cults offered friendship, a sense of belonging, community and understanding. Once that was established, the crazy beliefs were easier to understand and follow.

Even non-wacky, traditional churches offer the same thing. Friendship, communal bonds, etc.
 
Gavin Newsom announcing at a presser just now that he has obtained over 10K motel and hotel rooms to be used by the homeless.
The rationale being to stop covid from sweeping through their population.
Sounds good, let's take them out of the fresh air and confine them to cramped, overcrowded rooms.
Very logical.
He's also basically commandeering the rooms which will of course end up being permanent residences for homeless and ostensibly
unusable by the general public ever again.

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Nancy Pelosi is a corporate shitbird, so this is no surprise.


The system is hopelessly corrupted, which is how we got to where we are now.

Yeah, that article triggered me.

We all know how Pelosi and the corporate wing of the Democrats behave so it wasn't THAT big a surprise, but reading the bullshit in detail will get anyone that cares about these things pretty hot.

What gets me even more hot is that the beginning of the end to THOSE type of Democrats would have started with a Bernie nomination. But no, the combined forces of centrist, corporate Democrats easily beat out the progressive wing candidate.

The majority of the people still don't give a shit about policy, don't pay attention to politics, and generally just vote with their hunch, their feeling, or whose personality they like.

"Politics is all the same, man! They're all crooks!"

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I can't think of a single example where a person looked better because of plastic surgery (unless we're including hair restoration). Every single aging actress who has gotten work done has ended up looking worse. Maybe Nicki Minaj looks better, but I think that's makeup, not plastic surgery.

Not sure what you're talking about:

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Seriously though, maybe Kendall Jenner

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I don't even understand what she's getting at
My god, you’re like a child.

George Bush wanted to “liberate” Iraq, aka bombing it to bits. Liberals hate white christians, so they want Obama to bomb Virginia. Thus Obama is a muslim.
 
Full-scale military invasion? Tactical drone strikes?

Whatever she’s trying to say, she said it in a profoundly stupid way.


Is that particularly surprising to anyone?
 
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