Social War Room Lounge v.230: Bikers reading Playgirls in the Woods edition

[sickc0d3r]

I always conceptualized agnostic as the absence of belief in a deity and atheism as the affirmative belief in there being no deity.

I always figured agnostic is like saying you’re an atheist who’s also superstitious.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I always figured agnostic is like saying you’re an atheist who’s also superstitious.

To me it's the obvious stance of acknowledging that one doesn't know and won't pretend to.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Huge inspiration of mine. Funny enough his early spoken word shows and John Leguizamo had huge impacts on me as a professional speaker.

Also I love this article, which quotes the Skeptic Tank podcast episode I reccomend.
https://rolfpotts.com/henry-rollins-travel-slideshow/

I also ADORE this quote.

If you ever visit a country or village that has an open-air market I encourage you to go there for all the color and smells and activity. If you go in the morning you’ll see one group of people; if you go three hours later all those people have gone because they’ve sold their goods and they’re replaced by other people. I often go to open air markets several times a day just to clock the different smells, letting my natural curiosity lead me. I’ll walk up to a vendor and go: “Hi, what is that, can I have some?”; “What’s that spice, smells interesting how did you get it here?”; “How long have you worked here?” I’ve got a million questions for people who live in a non-Western environment. I want to see how people get along in parts of the world I’m not familiar with. I’ve never had a bad time in the market.

Hearing him do his spoken word life was amazing. As someone who studies public speaking the way he would breakneckingly meander topic to topic effortlessly. Gorgeous.

I always figured agnostic is like saying you’re an atheist who’s also superstitious.

Holy shit I can't believe how hard that made me laugh... Are you saying that's like an.. Agnostic Front? Because if so you gotta go.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Huge inspiration of mine. Funny enough his early spoken word shows and John Leguizamo had huge impacts on me as a professional speaker.

Also I love this article, which quotes the Skeptic Tank podcast episode I reccomend.
https://rolfpotts.com/henry-rollins-travel-slideshow/

I also ADORE this quote.


Hearing him do his spoken word life was amazing. As someone who studies public speaking the way he would breakneckingly meander topic to topic effortlessly. Gorgeous.


Holy shit I can't believe how hard that made me laugh... Are you saying that's like an.. Agnostic Front? Because if so you gotta go.

Funny, because when I said you seemed like someone who aspires to be Henry I had no clue.

 

[Milton_Gracie]

constant use of a banned word, made like 6 posts in a row using it

What does this banned word rhyme with?

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

I think there should be some distinction between lack of belief and the aggressive secularist types like Ron Reagan.

Reagan famously says he's not afraid of burning in hell. Even when i was aggressively nonreligious when I was younger, I was could never claim to be do confident that eternal damnation didn't scare me at all.

I think if you'd only ever express that in a conversation like this, then the distinction is not interesting to me tbh.

"Aggressively non-religious" is interesting though. I assume by that you mean the fedora-tipping, (unironically) holier-than-though trope, but actually I think some of the most aggressive atheists are those who really work to deconstruct whatever belief system they've built on that fundamental god belief. That takes guts, and it's an obligation I did not see many so-called "rational" atheists participate much in even when they were able to routinely defeat the classic apologetics.

Maybe I don't like agnosticism because I see it as an avoidance of this intellectual obligation.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I always figured agnostic is like saying you’re an atheist who’s also superstitious.

To me it's the obvious stance of acknowledging that one doesn't know and won't pretend to.

I think these both fit into not caring about the argument but leaning towards natural inclination or how we were raised.

So "yeah there probably a higher a power" or "it's probably just us" but ultimately "who gives a fuck, I don't care"

So atheist vs theist is similar to left vs right.

How much you value those positions would determine if your liberal or illiberal?

Do you value the belief or lack there of in the religion more than you value how the masses choose to believe?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I think these both fit into not caring about the argument but leaning towards natural inclination or how we were raised.

I don't. In fact I just got in to a discussion with a chick at the bar today after my French dip about this. Nothing in life concerns me more than what comes after death. But if you mean recognizing the value of disengaging from proclaiming some sort of knowledge on the subject then yeah.

 

[Deleted member 405583]

What does this banned word rhyme with?

Well I can't rhyme, but I know it started with an "F"

 

[tonni]

I always thought of agnostic as not caring enough to argue the point either way

Not necessarily, no. It can be a philosophical thing too, like pyrrhonism.

 

[tonni]

What does this banned word rhyme with?

Hag. He said I was one.

 

[sickc0d3r]

To me it's the obvious stance of acknowledging that one doesn't know and won't pretend to.

Fair, but then what’s the difference between that and what I said? I mean, if pressed on which is more likely, deity or no deity, what does an agnostic say?
An atheist would probably say a deity the likes of “God” is either impossible or so improbable that there’s no distinction, or perhaps something like it could exist but there’s really no reason to care.
Agnostics say what? Some people are really into it so I’m not ruling it out? Seems like a shortcut past logic in order to satisfy our inner superstition.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

I don't. In fact I just got in to a discussion with a chick at the bar today after my French dip about this. Nothing in life concerns me more than what comes after death. But if you mean recognizing the value of disengaging from proclaiming some sort of knowledge on the subject then yeah.

I think with all the dynamics at play everything is on a sliding scale.

So maybe you wouldn't vocalize it as much as how open you are to the idea. Which goes into natural inclination.

So someone telling you there is no God doesn't make you write them off off the bat. You're willing to listen to the argument but you're more inclined to doubt the argument without more information than somebody who's also labeled agnostic but leans more atheist

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Funny, because when I said you seemed like someone who aspires to be Henry I had no clue.

Huge influence on me. Did you ever watch the John Leguizamo one man shows on HBO back in the day? Really amazing stuff.

Hag. He said I was one.

Tag you're a homosexual!

 

[sickc0d3r]

Huge inspiration of mine. Funny enough his early spoken word shows and John Leguizamo had huge impacts on me as a professional speaker.

Also I love this article, which quotes the Skeptic Tank podcast episode I reccomend.
https://rolfpotts.com/henry-rollins-travel-slideshow/

I also ADORE this quote.


Hearing him do his spoken word life was amazing. As someone who studies public speaking the way he would breakneckingly meander topic to topic effortlessly. Gorgeous.


Holy shit I can't believe how hard that made me laugh... Are you saying that's like an.. Agnostic Front? Because if so you gotta go.

Haha, holy hell. I’m out *mike drop* (I reeeaaally wish I’d thought of that goddamnit).

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Fair, but then what’s the difference between that and what I said? I mean, if pressed on which is more likely, deity or no deity, what does an agnostic say?
An atheist would probably say a deity the likes of “God” is either impossible or so improbable that there’s no distinction, or perhaps something like it could exist but there’s really no reason to care.
Agnostics say what? Some people are really into it so I’m not ruling it out? Seems like a shortcut past logic in order to satisfy our inner superstition.

If something is unknowable and people want to place bets that's cool. But that doesn't obligate me to take a position.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I think with all the dynamics at play everything is on a sliding scale.

So maybe you wouldn't vocalize it as much as how open you are to the idea. Which goes into natural inclination.

So someone telling you there is no God doesn't make you write them off off the bat. You're willing to listen to the argument but you're more inclined to doubt the argument without more information than somebody who's also labeled agnostic but leans more atheist

It's a fact that on the subject of life after death that people just don't fuckin' know.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Huge influence on me. Did you ever watch the John Leguizamo one man shows on HBO back in the day? Really amazing stuff.

I didn't But him getting some in that Spike Lee flick about Summer of Sam was inspirational.

 

[Milton_Gracie]

Well I can't rhyme, but I know it started with an "F"

Lol after reading how easy it was for @tonni to find a rhyme, you weren’t kidding that you can’t rhyme

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

It's a fact that on the subject of life after death that people just don't fuckin' know.

You're speaking to the choir on that one.

That's why we're agnostic