Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Limbo Pete]

He won so yes he was a good pick for that party. Good for the nation and good for the party are two different things.

Which would mean Biden was a good pick for the party, the first Bush was a good pick for the party, etc. It would mean Obama was a good pick for the party, and there are people around here who say they voted for him twice _and then_ Trump. If winning itself is the only metric, then there's no way to self reflect.

 

[Islam Imamate]

My brother is Christ, you are blind.

The fact that GOP didn’t reflect is why this world is teetering on the edge!

Right, weird how so called centrists rarely criticized them for that.

Kamala lost, she was a bad pick. Democrats have literally the lowest approval rating in history — and you don’t think they should be reflective? You think they should double down?

Go for it and you’ll have a Vance presidency in 2028.

No they should change strategy, even if only the branding, but they shouldn't accept bad faith critiques from people like you who would never vote for them when the chips are down.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Which would mean Biden was a good pick for the party, the first Bush was a good pick for the party, etc. It would mean Obama was a good pick for the party, and there are people around here who say they voted for him twice _and then_ Trump. If winning itself is the only metric, then there's no way to self reflect.

What? If you lost, you have to diagnose why.

She lost because she was a poor candidate. Not because she was a black woman. Examining why she lost will uncover mistakes made.

Do you earnestly tbink she was a good candidate? Or that the democrats done need to be reflective?

 

[Rob Battisti]

W

Right, weird how so called centrists rarely criticized them for that.

No they should chsnge strategy, even if only the branding, but they shouldn't accept bad faith critiques from people like you who would never vote for them when the chips are down.

deep down, you think she was a good pick?

You’d want them to run her again in 2028?

 

[My Spot]

W

deep down, you think she was a good pick?

You’d want them to run her again in 2028?

 

[Islam Imamate]

W

deep down, you think she was a good pick?

You’d want them to run her again in 2028?

Not my ideal pick no but she was fine and infinitely preferable to Trump. I also think given the circumstances she was nominated under choosing her was better than running a primary.

Probably would not have been as effective as Clinton, Obama, and Biden. I'm not against her running in the 2028 primary but I probably wouldn't vote for her then.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Not my ideal pick no but she was fine and infinitely preferable to Trump. I also think given the circumstances she was nominated under choosing her was better than running a primary.

Probably would not have been as effective as Clinton, Obama, and Biden. I'm not against her running in the 2028 primary but I probably wouldn't vote for her then.

My goodness. She loses, even the popular vote and you still think she was fine and that you’re okay with the way she was nominated.

Officially a lost cause.

 

[Islam Imamate]

My goodness. She loses, even the popular vote and you still think she was fine and that you’re okay with the way she was nominated.

Officially a lost cause.

They had 100 days left and you think they should've run a primary? How much time would that leave the nominee to campaign?

 

[My Spot]

When Democrats run AOC or Newsom over Beshear in 2028

 

[Limbo Pete]

What? If you lost, you have to diagnose why.

She lost because she was a poor candidate. Not because she was a black woman. Examining why she lost will uncover mistakes made.

Do you earnestly tbink she was a good candidate? Or that the democrats done need to be reflective?

You're missing my point. If you only need to self reflect _when_ you lose, you're missing a large part of the big picture.

 

[Islam Imamate]

When Democrats run AOC or Newsom over Beshear in 2028

When Democrats run Beshear in 2028 and My Spot still votes due a third Trump term

 

[panamaican]

For the record, I wasn't even trying to talk shit. Your posts always seemed super progressive and I never got a conservative sense from you.

Did you get a competent adult to type that post for you? Lot of multi-syllabic words so I don't think they're from your vocabulary.

 

[panamaican]

The religious right has always been there though.

Sure but they were often the votes that kept the fiscally conservative portion of the party in power.

I won't bullshit myself or anyone. The fiscally conservative side of the GOP leveraged the bigotry of the anti-minority crowd and the zealotry of the religious right to win elections. That was the devil's bargain.

Reality has caught up to us and the fringes took over the party instead of staying on the fringes, lol.

 

[Rob Battisti]

You're missing my point. If you only need to self reflect _when_ you lose, you're missing a large part of the big picture.

I didn’t say that. You should always self reflect. The GOP didn’t which is how we got Trump again. I would have bet a LARGE amount he was done for after 2020.

 

[Rob Battisti]

When Democrats run Beshear in 2028 and My Spot still votes due a third Trump term

They need to run Shapiro or Kelly.

 

[Rob Battisti]

They had 100 days left and you think they should've run a primary? How much time would that leave the nominee to campaign?

Obama thought as much. I think they could have done it. Biden pushed Kamala out of spite against Obamas wishes.

 

[My Spot]

When Democrats run Beshear in 2028 and My Spot still votes due a third Trump term

I didn't vote for Trump though.
It does appear I hit a nerve.

 

[Islam Imamate]

They need to run Shapiro or Kelly.

And if they did you still wouldn't vote Democrat.

Obama thought as much. I think they could have done it. Biden pushed Kamala out of spite against Obamas wishes.

Or maybe Biden thought that was the best decision? I don’t think there's an obviously right answer here and if anything the idea of rubbing an American primary and presidential campaign in 100 days is the crazier take imo.

I didn't vote for Trump though.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Did you get a competent adult to type that post for you? Lot of multi-syllabic words so I don't think they're from your vocabulary.

Me get AI to postss it fer me!

 

[panamaican]

I could be wrong about this, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but @panamaican comes across as socially liberal, which may be confusing people. From the posts I've read he has always been fiscally conservative.

Yup.

See, the thing that a lot of people don't understand is that small government is socially liberal. It's the only way it works.

Want to define marriage? That requires government intervention and limitations. It's big government. Want to prevent women from getting abortions? That requires government intervention into reproduction choices. It's big government. Want to prevent people from supporting Israel or Palestine? Either way, you need government enforcement. More big government.

To truly be small government means that you want the government to stay out of people's personal lives and choices as much as possible. And that ultimately yields a socially liberal outcome.

Everyone understands the fiscally conservative part. Many don't understand the socially liberal part. The question every small government conservative should ask themselves on social issues is "Do I really want the government handling this or can I rely on people to make their own choices about what's best for them?"

Lots on the right now answer that questions as "I want the government to prevent people from making choices that I wouldn't make myself." Hence authoritarianism in a party that used to house the libertarians.