Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Limbo Pete]

To be fair I'm not saying there aren't valid criticisms of progressive prosecutors but at the same time you can't nominate a felon who pardons 1500 convicted criminals his first day in office and then claim to be tough on crime.

Well it gets at the real issue, which is that reactionaries care a lot more about who does something rather than what was done. It's all qualified based on privilege.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Most people aren't affected by crime day to day and the community that is most affected by it, the African-American community, votes Democrat by the largest margin.

I mean... sort of. When they flooded chicago with the illegals, they gave them full access to the homeless shelters. In doing that they forced the mentally ill people that used to live there out to the streets where they are less likely to take their meds. So that is something I absolutely have to deal with that when commute downtown for work.

And there has been armed robbery, car theft, catalytic converter theft in my city. I haven't experienced it personally, but I don't want that shit going on where I live. Pritzker made is so arrested offenders are released back into the streets without have to hand over bail. There are tons of documented cases of people re-offending while awaiting trial. And he wants to be the next POTUS.

I could go on.

For MAGA it has much more to do with in-groups and out-groups which is why they think of someone who crossed the border to work as a criminal but not the guy who broke campaign finance laws and was under two different criminal investigations.

I suppose we could go tit for tat on that. Just venture into the LA riot thread and see how many are supporting the rioters. The same people wanted the J6 people publicly executed.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I mean... sort of. When they flooded chicago with the illegals, they gave them full access to the homeless shelters. In doing that they forced the mentally ill people that used to live there out to the streets where they are less likely to take their meds. So that is something I absolutely have to deal with that when commute downtown for work.

The homeless problem is due to housing and land use policy, not because of the border. There are something like 500k illegals in Illinois out of a population of over 12 million. Illegals help reduce housing costs by providing cheap labor to the construction industry.

And there has been armed robbery, car theft, catalytic converter theft in my city. I haven't experienced it personally, but I don't want that shit going on where I live. Pritzker made is so arrested offenders are released back into the streets without have to hand over bail. There are tons of documented cases of people re-offending while awaiting trial. And he wants to be the next POTUS.

I could go on.

Right you haven't experienced it personally and the people who do tend to vote Dem so its probably not crime motivating people to vote for a convicted felon.

On the issue of ending cash bail I don't have strong feelings over it either way but even if its bad it doesn't make sense to vote for your presidential candidate based on what your governor is doing, this is why in the past we had split tickets but because of rabid partisanship polarization driven by people like you Americans now just vote on party lines.

I suppose we could go tit for tat on that. Just venture into the LA riot thread and see how many are supporting the rioters. The same people wanted the J6 people publicly executed.

Dems didn't nominate such a person though, in fact they nominated a prosecutor who was criticized by the left for being too harsh on crime.

 

[Rob Battisti]

No not radical leftists, those people didn't vote for Kamala.

You guys hate liberals, as in the center-left who believe in free markets, liberal democracy, and open societies.

No I don’t.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No I don’t.

Could've fooled me.

 

[Mr Holmes]

The homeless problem is due to housing and land use policy, not because of the border.

I never said stopping illegals was going to fix the homeless problem. The influx of illegals did compound it and make things worse.

There are something like 500k illegals in Illinois out of a population of over 12 million. Illegals help reduce housing costs by providing cheap labor to the construction industry.

And I could make the argument they also are making housing less affordable by reducing the supply of available houses.

Right you haven't experienced it personally and the people who do tend to vote Dem so its probably not crime motivating people to vote for a convicted felon.

The poor black communities prioritize things over crime. The rest of us don't. That doesn't mean people aren't frustrated by dem's policies.

On the issue of ending cash bail I don't have strong feelings over it either way but even if its bad it doesn't make sense to vote for your presidential candidate based on what your governor is doing

I brought it up because there's a lot talk about him making run. Plus, as I pointed out earlier, Kamala pulled something similar.

this is why in the past we had split tickets but because of rabid partisanship polarization driven by people like you Americans now just vote on party lines.

Uh... I don't know how many times i've said this. I voted 3rd party in the last general.

Dems didn't nominate such a person though, in fact they nominated a prosecutor who was criticized by the left for being too harsh on crime.

And criticized by everyone else for being soft on crime.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I never said stopping illegals was going to fix the homeless problem. The influx of illegals did compound it and make things worse.

Illegals work in construction which reduces the cost of building homes so if anything they tend to make things better.

And I could make the argument they also are making housing less affordable by reducing the supply of available houses.

You could but you'd be wrong, they increase the supply of housing by offering cheaper labor for the construction industry.

The poor black communities prioritize things over crime. The rest of us don't. That doesn't mean people aren't frustrated by dem's policies.

I don't really buy that you care about crime tbh, its just a talking point you feel you have to regurgitate. Like I said voting for Trump because of local DAs is like voting for a mayor because of his foreign policy. I'm going to vote to reelect my Republican state senator in 2026 because she supports YIMBY policies which matters at the state level at the same time that I'm going to vote Dem for Congress.

I brought it up because there's a lot talk about him making run. Plus, as I pointed out earlier, Kamala pulled something similar.

When did Kamala pull something similar? She ended cash bail in California?

Uh... I don't know how many times i've said this. I voted 3rd party in the last general.

Could've fooled me.

And criticized by everyone else for being soft on crime.

Criticized by people who nominated a convicted felon and voted for him over a prosecutor.

 

[Mr Holmes]

You could but you'd be wrong, they increase the supply of housing by offering cheaper labor for the construction industry.

We're probably at a stalemate. Regardless, even with a huge surplus of homes, we would still have a homeless population and still have problems related to influxes of illegal arriving empty handed.

I don't really buy that you care about crime tbh, its just a talking point you feel you have to regurgitate. Like I said voting for Trump because of local DAs is like voting for a mayor because of his foreign policy. I'm going to vote to reelect my Republican state senator in 2026 because she supports YIMBY policies which matters at the state level at the same time that I'm going to vote Dem for Congress.

I guess you can believe what you want. Seems like there are a lot people pretending to care about crime just to own the libs - https://news.gallup.com/poll/544442/americans-crime-problem-serious.aspx

When did Kamala pull something similar? She ended cash bail in California?

Pushing that MN bail fund.

Could've fooled me.

Criticized by people who nominated a convicted felon and voted for him over a prosecutor.

I guess. Seems like she was a pretty bad pick.

 

[Islam Imamate]

We're probably at a stalemate. Regardless, even with a huge surplus of homes, we would still have a homeless population and still have problems related to influxes of illegal arriving empty handed.

Somehow I doubt that if you had a huge surplus of homes you'd still have a serious homeless population.

I guess you can believe what you want. Seems like there are a lot people pretending to care about crime just to own the libs - https://news.gallup.com/poll/544442/americans-crime-problem-serious.aspx

I'm sure some people do but I was talking about you.

Pushing that MN bail fund.

You think that's the same as ending cash bail? Obviously related issues but you're talking about one tweet. If we're going to judge by social media posts Trump talked about suspending the Constitution but somehow that doesn't count and we have to ignore it.

I guess. Seems like she was a pretty bad pick.

Not compared to Trump who has been a disaster.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Could've fooled me.

I’m sorry. I wouldn’t have guessed you were so easily mistaken.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Somehow I doubt that if you had a huge surplus of homes you'd still have a serious homeless population.

Somehow I doubt more houses fixes addition and mental illness.

I'm sure some people do but I was talking about you.

I currently have 86 emails in my inbox of my local crime report, but believe what you would like.

You think that's the same as ending cash bail? Obviously related issues but you're talking about one tweet.

I said it was similar and it is.

If we're going to judge by social media posts Trump talked about suspending the Constitution but somehow that doesn't count and we have to ignore it.

Thats not really a crime issue.

Not compared to Trump who has been a disaster.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Somehow I doubt more houses fixes addition and mental illness.

Making it easier to build housing makes it easier to build homeless shelters too.

I said it was similar and it is.

That was in 2020 though and if anything she had a good enough reputation as a DA and AG that even Trump donated to her campaign.

Thats not really a crime issue.

Okay how about the fact that he ran on pardoning the Jan 6th rioters? Is that not a soft on crime policy?

Uh sure but so is your take that Kamala is a bad pick.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Kamala is a bad pick.

Well, she lost so… you think she was a good pick? A good pick would have beaten a literal felon.

I think democrats need to look in the mirror and wake up to why she lost. Hint: it’s not that she was a black woman.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Well, she lost so… you think she was a good pick? A good pick would have beaten a literal felon.

I think democrats need to look in the mirror and wake up to why she lost. Hint: it’s not that she was a black woman.

George W. won twice, and now much of the base refuses to even acknowledge they ever supported him. Was he a good pick? If a person is a good pick based solely on winning or losing, then we've never had a winner who wasn't a good pick, including Biden.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well, she lost so… you think she was a good pick? A good pick would have beaten a literal felon.

I think democrats need to look in the mirror and wake up to why she lost. Hint: it’s not that she was a black woman.

Trump is a celebrity and the only thing he really knows how to do is branding and campaigning which makes him in a sense a strong candidate despite the fact that as a person he is grossly incompetent and deeply corrupt.

I also think tis interesting to see all these takes about how Democrats need to go back to the drawing board and look in the mirror. In 2020 there was none of that, instead the GOP stood by as their sitting president tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power something which conservatives make excuses for to this day.

The double standard here is untenable, it can't be that one party can commit crimes and get away with it while the other tries to hold onto longstanding norms of restraint. Something will give eventually.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Making it easier to build housing makes it easier to build homeless shelters too.

Sorry, not buying it. I don't think having more illegals to build cheaper houses is going to fix homelessness and solve our problems of influxes of homeless illegals. The state is also broke. Lets just agree to disagree.

That was in 2020

It was a big mistake IMO.

Okay how about the fact that he ran on pardoning the Jan 6th rioters? Is that not a soft on crime policy?

I don't remember him making it a campaign promise. But we already went of this. People are more concerned with things happening close to home.

Uh sure but so is your take that Kamala is a bad pick.

The voters decided that.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Sorry, not buying it. I don't think having more illegals to build cheaper houses is going to fix homelessness and solve our problems of influxes of homeless illegals. The state is also broke. Lets just agree to disagree.

Building more homes and making it cheaper to do won't fix homelessness? And you think deporting illegals will?

I don't remember him making it a campaign promise.

Why am I not surprised that you're ignorant of Trump's recent campaign promises but remember Kamala's tweets from 2020? Anyway here you go

Former President Donald Trump says one of his first acts if elected to a second term would be to "free" people convicted for their roles in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, whom Trump continues to claim are "wrongfully imprisoned."

He made that promise, presumably about using the presidential pardon power, on his social media platform on Monday night. It's the latest example of how he has repeatedly defended those charged and convicted of crimes for their conduct at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

 

[My Spot]

The voters decided that.

And he couldn't even blame the evil and racist Electoral College this time.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Building more homes and making it cheaper to do won't fix homelessness? And you think deporting illegals will?

No, but I don't expect the problem to compounded with 100s of thousands just show up.

Why am I not surprised that you're ignorant of Trump's recent campaign promises but remember Kamala's tweets from 2020? Anyway here you go

Excuse me for not remembering everything the guy said before the election.

 

[Rob Battisti]

George W. won twice, and now much of the base refuses to even acknowledge they ever supported him. Was he a good pick? If a person is a good pick based solely on winning or losing, then we've never had a winner who wasn't a good pick, including Biden.

He won so yes he was a good pick for that party. Good for the nation and good for the party are two different things.

Trump is a celebrity and the only thing he really knows how to do is branding and campaigning which makes him in a sense a strong candidate despite the fact that as a person he is grossly incompetent and deeply corrupt.

I also think tis interesting to see all these takes about how Democrats need to go back to the drawing board and look in the mirror. In 2020 there was none of that, instead the GOP stood by as their sitting president tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power something which conservatives make excuses for to this day.

The double standard here is untenable, it can't be that one party can commit crimes and get away with it while the other tries to hold onto longstanding norms of restraint. Something will give eventually.

My brother is Christ, you are blind.

The fact that GOP didn’t reflect is why this world is teetering on the edge!

Kamala lost, she was a bad pick. Democrats have literally the lowest approval rating in history — and you don’t think they should be reflective? You think they should double down?

Go for it and you’ll have a Vance presidency in 2028.