Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

[Mr Holmes]

That would be a very simplistic assessment of what it said.

1) Opposes authoritarianism, ideological coercion, and moral hypocrisy. <--- if that's left wing, I'm fine with that. I don't think anyone should want to be the opposite.

2) Advocates civil liberties, economic realism, and evidence-based governance. <--- if that's left wing, I'm fine with that too. I don't think anyone should want to be the opposite.

3) Expresses nuance about religion, welfare systems, and foreign policy. <--- if that's left wing, I'm fine with that. I don't think anyone should want to be the opposite.

See, if the claim is that my positions are left-wing then the right wing would be authoritarian, hypocritical, oppositional to civil liberties, economic realism, evidence based-governance and fail to have any nuance on religion, welfare or foreign policy. That's not something anyone should be proud of being.

Here's where you continue to fuck this up. I'm a fiscal conservative, social liberal. Always have been. I'm not a "right-winger" and, these days, I'm not a Republican. The majority of government positions that maximize individual freedoms are "socially liberal". It's where the entire idea of equal rights comes from, the rejection of government as the arbitrator of what people should do in their personal lives.

But this is a nuance that I don't most of you to grasp because I doubt what was written with any sense of understanding.

This part says it all.

No amount of panic wrestling is going to change it.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You and I already hashed this out over 2 days....not interested in a revisit bud.

I'm not wrong though, you voted for a convicted felon who was under two more investigations.

In light of that is it really fair to say Dems are the ones who are lenient on criminals? Can you at least see why that would bother someone like me?

 

[Cajun]

I'm not wrong though, you voted for a convicted felon who was under two more investigations.

In light of that is it really fair to say Dems are the ones who are lenient on criminals? Can you at least see why that would bother someone like me?

OK thanks... dude you literally insulted me the last time we discussed all this. You are literally too charged over it. At some point you will have to accept what happened. Pick a new topic to debate and Im happy to go at it again. If you go back there are pages and pages between us on the subject. There is literally no point in picking that back up

 

[panamaican]

This part says it all.

No amount of panic wrestling is going to change it.

lol. You know what I like best about this?

You=

Estimated Intelligence: Moderate

vs.
Me=

Estimated Intelligence: Very High

I'm not overly worried about your assessment of things.

 

[Islam Imamate]

OK thanks... dude you literally insulted me the last time we discussed all this. You are literally too charged over it. At some point you will have to accept what happened. Pick a new topic to debate and Im happy. If you go back there are pages and pages between us on the subject. There is literally no point in picking that back up

I'm just asking questions here but seems like they're rustling your feathers quite a bit. You'll have to forgive me, I forget that some of you come to the politics subforum to talk about the weather instead of politics.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Anti-establishment is and always has been a liberal position (not Democrat/Republican -- the political parties have changed ideologies many times over the years). The primary differentiator between the 2 political spectrums has always been about the role of government in private lives.

@Islam Imamate is wrong about the right being anti-establishment. They're not. The modern right is very pro-establishment. They are very aggressive about taking government institutions and using them to implement a specific social order. Just because they have rejected how the Democrats used those institutions doesn't mean that they have rejected the use of the institutions themselves.

There are very few true anti-establishment people out there in the modern era. It's just different opinions on how to leverage government, not any true desire to leverage less of it.

I desire to use less of it. Good post though.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Trump was also under investigation for stealing classified documents and for Jan 6th, those aren't exactly white collar crimes. Predictably he dismissed those investigations and not a peep from the party or the base. He also pardoned all Jan 6th convicts who weren't convicted of white collar crimes.

The more obvious explanation is that MAGA populists, like radical leftists, don't believe in rule of law and see the courts not as a neutral arbiter but as a partisan tool to be used against your enemies when possible and to be undermined when it tries to check their power

you and others call him a criminal. He was convicted of a white collar crime.

 

[Crazy Source]

Right but that goes to show that MAGA is quite accepting of criminality as long as the criminals are on their side.

The stuff about going after price gouging and the unrealized gains taxes were concessions to left wing populists and imo bad policy.

Of course she was league's better than Trump but if you ask right wingers who don't have total brain rot that's what they're likely to point to.

I had already assumed that going after price-gouging would be on the list, which if done fairly would be good IMO. Don't they already do this with gas prices when a gas station does it in times of crises? Taxing unrealized gains is pretty retarded.

 

[Mr Holmes]

lol. You know what Ilike best about this?

You=

vs.
Me=


I'm not overly worried about your assessment of things.

Whatever helps you thru this one, comrade.

 

[Islam Imamate]

lol.

You know like best about this?
You=

vs.
Me=


I'm not overly worried about your assessment of things.

Idk how the right wing shitposter gets off making fun of anyone else's horoscope. He was so bothered by the label he decided to selectively feed his own posts to the AI in the hopes the sorting hat would give him something better.

you and others call him a criminal. He was convicted of a white collar crime.

What do you call someone who was convicted of a crime if not a criminal? Do you think its normal to elect people who commit white collar crimes? Especially one centered on campaign finance?

And setting that case aside he was under two other investigations for crimes that are not white collar in nature and in his first day in office pardoned over 1500 convicted criminals who rioted on his behalf. Come on man just admit it, MAGA is the party of criminals.

I had already assumed that going after price-gouging would be on the list, which if done fairly would be good IMO. Don't they already do this with gas prices when a gas station does it in times of crises?

I disagree and I think the narrative of greedflation was wrong. Its true some companies make more money during times of inflation but that's not necessarily due to price fixing or anything like that.

Taxing unrealized gains is pretty retarded.

Yeah agreed though I think those who cited it as some dealbreaker in regards to Kamala while ignoring Trump's promise of a global trade war came off as bad faith or at least misguided.

 

[Cajun]

I'm just asking questions here but seems like they're rustling your feathers quite a bit. You'll have to forgive me, I forget that some of you come to the politics subforum to talk about the weather instead of politics.

We've already gone through all of this though. You and I specifically. We couldn't reach an agreement over 2 days. And some of us don't want to repeat the same discussions over and over. What's the point of that? You said all of these same things before. Its the same thing with making me post the stuff on Russian emails, Elizabeth Warren and Donna B. I think there has to be a point to continuing where we left off. You rarely see me trying to keep discussions going when weve exhausted our points. What new points do we have to examine that were not covered? Again, you will not accept that there are decent people and many minorities that decided to vote for him. Thats your prerogative.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Idk how the right wing shitposter gets off making fun of anyone else's horoscope. He was so bothered by the label he decided to selectively feed his own posts to the AI in the hopes the sorting hat would give him something better.

Thats a lie.

 

[Islam Imamate]

We've already gone through all of this though. You and I specifically. We couldn't reach an agreement over 2 days. And some of us don't want to repeat the same discussions over and over. What's the point of that? You said all of these same things before. Its the same thing with making me post the stuff on Russian emails, Elizabeth Warren and Donna B. I think there has to be a point to continuing where we left off. You rarely see me trying to keep a discussions going when we exhausted our points. What new points do we have to examine that were not covered?

For me the whole point of the forum is to hash out arguments, I forget that for a lot of you politics is more about vibes than values.

Again, you will not accept that there are decent people and many minorities that decided to vote for him. Thats your prerogative.

I accept that it happened but that doesn't mean I shouldn't push back when you lie and say the majority voted for him.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Thats a lie.

 

[panamaican]

Whatever helps you thru this one, comrade.

I can't stop laughing because you asked Neph to do my profile and what we learned is that you're not smart enough to discuss things with me.

I mean if you really value labelling me as a "left winger"...ok. Congrats. But we also confirmed that we're not playing with the same intellectual deck of cards. So, I can live with you winning the label war since it confirms the intellectual difference (you didn't even get "above average" or "high").

And, yes, it absolutely helps me thru this one....dummy.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I picked about half a dozen pages evenly spaced out over the the last 12 months. I did selectively feed some info about you and it suggests you give the impression of being an extremist.

 

[Mr Holmes]

I can't stop laughing because you asked Neph to do my profile and what we learned is that you're not smart enough to discuss things with me.

I mean if you really value labelling me as a "left winger"...ok. Congrats. But we also confirmed that we're not playing with the same intellectual deck of cards. So, I can live with you winning the label war since it confirms the intellectual difference (you didn't even get "above average" or "high").

And, yes, it absolutely helps me thru this one....dummy.

We learned what everyone has been saying for years, that you're not a real conservative. And now your trying argue with the results.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I picked about half a dozen pages evenly spaced out over the the last 12 months. I did selectively feed some info about you and it suggests you give the impression of being an extremist.

Whatever you say shitposter.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Whatever you say shitposter.

Better to be a shit poster than a terrorist.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Tell me some issues where you think she was too far left.

My biggest gripe would be the 2nd Amendment but to be honest I'm not well versed on all her policies. Maybe her image problem is somewhat manufactured but she's seen more as a "squad" progressive that would scare away the moderate vote. I don't know anyone that was confident she would win.