We have to look at it with certain parameters
Impeachment etc is more than a criticism... dude just stop. And its not ideological differences.
No, I mean the general status quo that both parties accepted in terms of both policy(free trade and Atlanticism) and institutional norms (accepting election results and conceding) which Trump is trying to overturn to include concentrating power in the executive.
Can you acknowledge that the GOP had gotten so extreme that Romney himself got pushed out of the party for defying Trump?
Trump was never a conservative. Thats true
Do you think Romney was wrong to vote to convict Trump after Trump tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power?
Right, it's more about norms and values. Under Trump the GOP has prioritized loyalty to leadership over all else and Romney showed himself to be disloyal. That's pretty extreme though.
What they really can't do is challenge his concentration or exercise of power. Trump himself is a valueless void, but he represents reactionary power entitlement and anyone who goes against that is in for a rough ride
We argued this for 20 pages and theres a whole thread on Jan 6. Go there to review
I don't care what Romney did. If he's not doing something out of spite and believes it in his heart that's all I can ask of him.
So in sum, do you agree or disagree with Romney's vote to convict?
Clearly the party did though, anyone who defied Trump was pushed out.
Did you read it?
Who said it had to have been caught years ago? Do you doubt that they just found it?
How did they cheat Bernie? Hillary won more votes and thus the primary, no cheating required. And I say that as someone who voted for Bernie twice but unlike Trumpers I can accept when my preferred Candidate lost an election
Stop what, disagreeing with you? So much for the tolerant centrist.
If I had to describe the impulse its a gut level expression of this principle
This is why Trump can commit crimes in broad daylight but the base ignores it or makes excuses for it, often turning the story on its head and making those trying to hold Trump accountable out to be the bad guys. Its okay when their leaders and protesters break laws but not when the protesters that are perceived as left leaning do which is why they must be crushed with force quickly and harshly, hence the nationalizing of the California National Guard against the will of the governor and the sending of Marines to LA.
Yep that's it in a nutshell
It’s more that people can’t give a shit about white collar crime but give a shit when they see a city burned down by people waving Mexican flags
Was storming the Capital a white-collar crime?
Was Trump convicted of storming the capital?
Are you talking about LA or all the cities that were destroyed during the Summer of Love?
Really all of it. Just in general, no one looks at “crime” equally.
Read the piece Donna Brazille wrote on it. You know this though....The DNC official, Donna Brazile, now a political analyst, wrote in Politico Magazine on Thursday that she discovered an August 2015 agreement between the national committee and Clinton's campaign and fundraising arm that gave Clinton "control (of) the party's finances. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead," Brazile wrote. "This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party's integrity." CNN asked Senator Elizabeth Warren if Mrs Clinton's contest against Democratic rival Bernie Sanders was rigged, and she said: "Yes.". Not to mention the emails showing lack of support and strategy etc.
Was he indicted and awaiting trial, with a mountain of evidence against him, when the cases were quashed when he won the election?
Theres a reason his poll numbers actually went up....
Did Biden burn down shit and wave a Mexican flag? You know what the fuck I'm pointing out. Jan. 6th assholes got pardoned and most likely will get paid now, which are both disgusting. And you are pointing to protestors burning shit and waving Mexican flags. The difference between the two groups is that the right agrees with the Jan. 6th rioters and don't agree with what is going on in L.A. now.
I can agree with that. We all have our biases it just depends on how much we're willing to be open minded. In my view it's quite an exaggeration to say "burned down" but I get your point.
