Social War Room Lounge Thread #325: PotWR Edition

Cajun said:
He won the popular vote.
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Sure but not a majority of the popular vote. Let's not twist the record.
Cajun said:
That means that every single person in that group including all the minorities are some far right extreme?
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No, lots of voters are uninformed and misinformed so they vote based on vibes. I'd say that represents ~25-30% of his voters.

That's not you though, you presumably follow politics and identify as conservative and you voted for an extreme right wing candidate. That's fine, people have a right to support candidates further from the center but then don't say you avoid extremes when you voted for it.
Cajun said:
You see what I mean ...you fail to be honest about what happened and realize that Kamala was a horrible candidate and no one wanted to vote for her including many minorities.
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I think she was clearly better than Trump despite her weaknesses and I've been vindicated on that more than I would've imagined with how much of a disaster Trump's 2nd term is turning out to be.
 
Rob Battisti said:
Yet he’s accusing me of trolling.
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How am I trolling here?
Cajun said:
He's not trolling but he's like many on the left that were so enraged by what happened that they can't let it go and be honest anymore
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You're the one who lied about Trump winning a majority of the vote but I'm the one whose being dishonest? Come on now.
 
Rob Battisti said:
It’s interesting to hear you say that. I would say the opposite to be honest. The left has shifted so far left, on the whole, that anyone who would have been center left center or center right, to a person on the left, seems like they are far right.

Take the trans issue, 15 years ago, saying men are men and are always men and can never be women, would have been a position held by 99% of the country. Now, to someone on the left, that’s hate speech.
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They pretty much kicked out guys like Bill Maher, Joe rogan, and Elon Musk. There is no common ground anymore with many on the left. You must be all in or not a part and that's the reason they lost.
 
Cajun said:
They pretty much kicked out guys like Bill Maher, Joe rogan, and Elon Musk. There is no common ground anymore with many on the left. You must be all in or not a part and that's the reason they lost.
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So what about Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger who got pushed out of the party for defying Trump? MAGA is the party that tolerates no dissent, criticize or defy Trump and he'll end your career as a Republican. There's no equivalency with the left in that regard.
 
Islam Imamate said:
How am I trolling here?

You're the one who lied about Trump winning a majority of the vote but I'm the one whose being dishonest? Come on now.
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OK dude... I'll leave you to argue with these other gents. I dont do pile-ons. Explaining why he picked up minorities etc... you ignore everything and say everyone is right extreme. Later
 
Crazy Source said:
Maybe it's just perception, but I am pretty sure this is a measurable thing and I seen graphs that show how it has steadily shifted right. SHRUG. I'll look into at some point.
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Notice how the analysis completely ignores the transformation of the GOP into a corrupt far right party that rewards loyalists and represses dissidents and outgroups.
 
Islam Imamate said:
So what about Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger who got pushed out of the party for defying Trump? MAGA is the party that tolerates no dissent, criticize or defy Trump and he'll end your career as a Republican. There's no equivalency with the left in that regard.
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It's not from their viewpoints on conservatism. It was for their dislike of trump. Different viewpoints on the left are not tolerated in terms of which aspects they accept. Anyway....
 
I'm for gay marriage and can still be considered conservative. You can't be against trans athletes and be considered liberal.
 
Cajun said:
OK dude... I'll leave you to argue with these other gents. I dont do pile-ons. Explaining why he picked up minorities etc... you ignore everything and say everyone is right extreme. Later
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Next time if you're going to accuse me of dishonesty maybe don't do so right after lying yourself.

People voted in Trump because of inflation. Not that it makes sense, we now know Trump is actively trying to make cost of living go up through tariffs, but most voters don't pay attention to policy and just vote out the incumbent party.
Captain Tenneal said:
I voted for Obama in 2012, now I'm a far right extremist

Thanks Obama.
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Be honest, would you describe Trump as a moderate candidate? Or is it fair to say he's extreme? Mass deportation and a global trade war, whatever you might think of those policies, are not slight tweaks to the status quo.
 
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Islam Imamate said:
Bext time if you're going to accuse me of dishonesty maybe don't do so right after lying yourself.

People voted in Trump because of inflation. Not that it makes sense, we now know Trump is actively trying to make cost of living go up through tariffs, but most voters don't pay attention to policy and just vote out the incumbent party.

Be honest, would you describe Trump as a moderate candidate? Or is it fair to say he's extreme? Mass deportation and a global trade war, whatever you might think of those policies, are not slight tweaks to the status quo.
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OK thanks.
 
Cajun said:
It's not from their viewpoints on conservatism. It was for their dislike of trump.
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And that makes it better? You don't see how enforcing personal loyalty to the leader of the party to include shielding him from accountability is extreme?
Cajun said:
Different viewpoints on the left are not tolerated in terms of which aspects they accept. Anyway....
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Really? We have Joe Manchin and Bernie Sanders who represent very different viewpoints.
 
Islam Imamate said:
Bext time if you're going to accuse me of dishonesty maybe don't do so right after lying yourself.

People voted in Trump because of inflation. Not that it makes sense, we now know Trump is actively trying to make cost of living go up through tariffs, but most voters don't pay attention to policy and just vote out the incumbent party.

Be honest, would you describe Trump as a moderate candidate? Or is it fair to say he's extreme? Mass deportation and a global trade war, whatever you might think of those policies, are not slight tweaks to the status quo.
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He's a populist, and hardly "far" right. Trump's not even right of Pat Buchanan
 
Islam Imamate said:
Notice how the analysis completely ignores the transformation of the GOP into a corrupt far right party that rewards loyalists and represses dissidents and outgroups.
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And it's always the single trans issue that people latch onto to argue how extreme the left is, ignoring the other issues. The current administration is full-on authoritarian. There is nothing comparable on the left.
 
Captain Tenneal said:
He's a populist, and hardly "far" right. Trump's not even right of Pat Buchanan
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Set aside the right-left spectrum for a sec, isn't it fair to say Trump is not moderate but rather an extreme candidate in that he represents a significant shift from the status quo? Surely you can see how Kamala was a more moderate candidate in the sense of representing continuity right?
 
Cajun said:
I'm for gay marriage and can still be considered conservative. You can't be against trans athletes and be considered liberal.
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You can't be a conservative and criticize Trump as evidenced by the career trajectory of Romney, Cheney, and Kinzinger, you'd agree with at least that much right?
 
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