Television WANDAVISION Discussion (Dragonlord's Review)

[HUGHPHUG]

@Clippy have you watched this yet? you need to read these 63 pages first though

 

[Aegon Spengler]

She murdered a dog, bro. That's the line you don't cross. Fuck humans; you can do what you want to them. But kill a dog, and you deserve to be hit by the Wrath of God Himself

Look, I'm sorry, but I'm anti town-of-westview. Some areas have to be sacrificed if we're going to keep up the fight against aliens and people like Loki. Wanda is just a goddess who farted in a town, like sorry you were nearby people, um, so, what do you want to do? Jail the godess? hehe good luck

Spoiler

 

[CoolB]

Watched the finale with my expectations of crossovers and reveals and all that shit way too high and I kind of spoiled the finale for myself. Watched it again yesterday for what it is and I enjoyed it a whole lot more.

Then I read @Madmick post and now I hate it again lol.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Watched the finale with my expectations of crossovers and reveals and all that shit way too high and I kind of spoiled the finale for myself. Watched it again yesterday for what it is and I enjoyed it a whole lot more.

Then I read @Madmick post and now I hate it again lol.

The finale felt like editorial interference tbh. "There has to be a big fight at the end!"

Any writer would likely prefer to have all the strings nicely bowtied together into a satisfying ending but often I think they work against the constraints of producer/distributor expectations. Also, maybe it's because I'm used to reading comics, but I sort of expected an ending like this. Comic book authors often have to establish a strong name for themselves before they're ever allowed to write a story with a satisfying ending. They have to constantly find ways to kick the can down the road, so much so that it becomes a part of the art form and you get curious to see how they will do it. I enjoyed "we've said goodbye before, so we'll say hello again."

The fact that they got to work in The Ship of Theseus and make it a legitimate -series finale plot point- was marvelously done imo. The rest of the episode was pretty disappointing on several fronts but, just guessing, I think that points to Disney underestimating how well received Wandavision would be. If they had given it a proper, clever bowtie of a climax it could have stood alone as a great piece of art. But they were scared.

Perhaps it's a show that Disney could never have expected to get this kind of attention (it crashed the Disney plus server) and, if they had known, they might have let it end differently. This ending felt like the safest "if you didn't like the series, don't worry, we're set up for something else next" kind of ending they could have offered.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

@Clippy have you watched this yet? you need to read these 63 pages first though

robot sex scares him so it's a no go I'm afraid

 

[CoolB]

The finale felt like editorial interference tbh. "There has to be a big fight at the end!"

Any writer would likely prefer to have all the strings nicely bowtied together into a satisfying ending but often I think they work against the constraints of producer/distributor expectations. Also, maybe it's because I'm used to reading comics, but I sort of expected an ending like this. Comic book authors often have to establish a strong name for themselves before they're ever allowed to write a story with a satisfying ending. They have to constantly find ways to kick the can down the road, so much so that it becomes a part of the art form and you get curious to see how they will do it. I enjoyed "we've said goodbye before, so we'll say hello again."

The fact that they got to work in The Ship of Theseus and make it a legitimate -series finale plot point- was marvelously done imo. The rest of the episode was pretty disappointing on several fronts but, just guessing, I think that points to Disney underestimating how well received Wandavision would be. If they had given it a proper, clever bowtie of a climax it could have stood alone as a great piece of art. But they were scared.

Perhaps it's a show that Disney could never have expected to get this kind of attention (it crashed the Disney plus server) and, if they had known, they might have let it end differently. This ending felt like the safest "if you didn't like the series, don't worry, we're set up for something else next" kind of ending they could have offered.

It's all about how Olsen and Bettany were so amazing that led me to still find a way to like the finally. Over all I really enjoyed the series as a whole and can accept it's ending with one exception. I hate that we got trolled with Ralph Bohner. It's a big dissapointment they didn't find even some small way to make an x-men connection. The news of a new marvel mutant movie dropping the same day as the wandavision finle does however give me some hope.

The ship of the Theseus scene was the highlight of the finale and maybe the series for me.

 

[Limbo Pete]

Shaky beginning, brilliant middle, godawful ending. Just atrocious. Average at best, ultimately. I'm being kind to give it that rating.

What was the entire point of our trio's subplot? They were utterly meaningless in the end. Wanda didn't need or use them to deal with Captain Dickface and his ersatz Vision (who is now the real Vision, apparently, minus the Mind Stone, but flew off without talking to Wanda, because that's exactly what Vision would do, LOL). But white cop isn't evil enough, so let's distract the viewer from this indefensibly bad writing by having him nonsensically shoot at the imaginary kids Wanda is going to kill, anyway--- but not really kill, post-credits Dr. Wanda!

Oh, our FBI agent called the FBI??! Glad nobody else thought of that.

Darcy drove a car into a car. So brave. Much hero. She's like Steve McQueen in Papillon. "I'm still here, dammit!" What on earth would Wanda and her superpowered children do to stop a suicide car-crasher without her.

Retrospectively, we can now see that every moment we spent with them was a waste of time that didn't illuminate the story. They served zero purpose except to inexplicably superpower Rambeau. Disney just used a show to sell another show. Who cares about shitty, pointless writing. We have feminist lunchboxes to sell. Cha-ching.

Agatha...am I supposed to despise her? She was trying to stop someone who is prophesied to destroy the world. I guess I'm supposed to hate her because she hordes power. Yeah, a capable, educated woman hording power is clearly worse than a schizophrenic, self-absorbed former terrorist who holds up two fingers after falsely imprisoning and mentally torturing an entire town for weeks, "Sorry, peace," and strolls off. That's justice.

But, hey, we captured the evil white guy who dishonored the last will and testament of a fucking robot **gasp!** to develop a tool for mere mortals to confront the threat of loose cannon mutants who fly off the rails with appalling criminal behavior like this. What a scumbag. To quote David Spade, "I liked this character better the first time I saw him....when he was called Ironman." But I guess we're expected to hate Ironman now. His compounding crime was that he wasn't more concerned with the emotional well-being of the criminal than the thousands of her victims. Unforgivable. Don't worry. Our strong, female heroine SWORD agent got that right.

So disappointing. What a shitshow.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I would want Wanda back in my head. Surely at least one person in that shitehole town was depressed and about to off themselves but Wanda saved them!

It's all about how Olsen and Bettany were so amazing that led me to still find a way to like the finally. Over all I really enjoyed the series as a whole and can accept it's ending with one exception. I hate that we got trolled with Ralph Bohner. It's a big dissapointment they didn't find even some small way to make an x-men connection. The news of a new marvel mutant movie dropping the same day as the wandavision finle does however give me some hope.

The ship of the Theseus scene was the highlight of the finale and maybe the series for me.

I bet they had to argue just to get that bit of cleverness in.

"The finale must be a collage of action scenes chosen by a committee!!"

"We want a speech about two boats!!"

"How about one boat!"

"We can do that!"

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

https://apple.news/Al0DaA88gRdSIgyW_l4_jpQ

Turns out Senior Scratchy wasn’t just a bunny

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Can you guys imagine a comic book show based off of comic books and comic book characters will also write in plot lines that might continue in future projects?

can you believe the tv shows are doing the types of things comic books have been doing for decades?

Oh the horror.



Also, didn’t the movies do the same thing to. They’re all puzzle pieces that connect to make one larger picture.

 

[taurus]

Finished the series. It's definitely captivating, but the first two/three episodes drag the f on. Glad I stayed till the end.

I'm... slightly optimistic about future MCU TV series. I never did get into Agents of Shield, it just seemed too similar to the style of Arrow, Flash etc. This was a step above those in both the character development (though some things have had copious amounts of exposition) and production value.

The Pietro thing was one of the most illogical/mindfu*k things I have seen in a movie/TV series and I absolutely love they did it that way.

Special shoutout to the best magic wielder in all of MCU

Spoiler

 

[Tabarnakos]

She murdered a dog, bro. That's the line you don't cross. Fuck humans; you can do what you want to them. But kill a dog, and you deserve to be hit by the Wrath of God Himself

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Can you guys imagine a comic book show based off of comic books and comic book characters will also write in plot lines that might continue in future projects?

can you believe the tv shows are doing the types of things comic books have been doing for decades?

Oh the horror.



Also, didn’t the movies do the same thing to. They’re all puzzle pieces that connect to make one larger picture.

Yeah they are for sure, but there’s better and worse ways to finish off a series. Some series end with a stunner, some end with a rock bottom, but this one ended with a Spinaroonie. Which is fine. I guess

 

[Aegon Spengler]

robot sex scares him so it's a no go I'm afraid

What’s to be scared of? You start having a bad time you can just turn it off

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Yeah they are for sure, but there’s better and worse ways to finish off a series. Some series end with a stunner, some end with a rock bottom, but this one ended with a Spinaroonie. Which is fine. I guess

I don’t understand what was misleading. The fan base made up these crazy theories not the actors and not the producers of the show

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I don’t understand what was misleading. The fan base made up these crazy theories not the actors and not the producers of the show

Nothing particularly misleading but, for example, Darcy wound up not mattering, Woo could have called the FBI sooner, we didn’t end up knowing Agathas motives (why did she want that power), Wanda faced no real consequences, it’s kind of unclear what lessons were learned or who exactly was responsible for what happened...

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Nothing particularly misleading but, for example, Darcy wound up not mattering, Woo could have called the FBI sooner, we didn’t end up knowing Agathas motives (why did she want that power), Wanda faced no real consequences, it’s kind of unclear what lessons were learned or who exactly was responsible for what happened...

it’s pretty clear Agatha is a bad person (witch). The flashback showed she had bad intentions and she wasn’t willing to really help anyone at any point in time.


Wanda was responsible. It was her mental state that created all of this. She was used and manipulated throughout her life and all those traumas led to this event taking place.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

it’s pretty clear Agatha is a bad person (witch). The flashback showed she had bad intentions and she wasn’t willing to really help anyone at any point in time.


Wanda was responsible. It was her mental state that created all of this. She was used and manipulated throughout her life and all those traumas led to this event taking place.

So Wanda + Trauma was responsible for what happened, I mean that’s alright, I guess it wasn’t exactly “Agatha allll along”, Wanda is her own protagonist. Vision gets his memories back and abandons her in exchange for the sky, that’s fun, but why tho?

Agatha wants power, for powers sake? Isn’t she the main anti-antagonist? (Wanda is like protagonist/self antagonist because she’s a PG chick from Carrie + red CGI)She’s the one Wanda battles, but she more or less let Wanda out of the basement. Why? To drain her power? There’s no thing in the book that lets you do that in the basement? Just stay in the basement!

Also, is the Fox kid really just a super fast boner? I mean fine, I guess, but what did Rambeau contribute to the finale? She stood in front of a bullet that a make-believe kid could have whispered out of existence, she didn’t wind up bringing Wanda back from the brink or really playing that much of a pivotal role

There’s just too many strings left dangling. Too many questions

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

So Wanda + Trauma was responsible for what happened, I mean that’s alright, I guess it wasn’t exactly “Agatha allll along”, Wanda is her own protagonist. Vision gets his memories back and abandons her in exchange for the sky, that’s fun, but why tho?

Agatha wants power, for powers sake? Isn’t she the main antagonist? She’s the one Wanda battles, but she more or less let Wanda out of the basement. Why? To drain her power? There’s no thing in the book that lets you do that in the basement? Just stay in the basement!

Also, is the Fox kid really just a super fast boner? I mean fine, I guess, but what did Rambeau contribute to the finale? She stood in front of a bullet that a make-believe kid could have whispered out of existence, she didn’t wind up bringing Wanda back from the brink or really playing that much of a pivotal role

There’s just too many strings left dangling. Too many questions

yeah some plot points will continue I assume. Wanda just like in the comics can’t control the trauma she’s faced over her life

wasn’t doctor strange supposed to quickly follow this shoe but because of the pandemic things got pushed around?

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Yeah it was gonna follow this shoe but because of the pandemic it was....

booted down the road

got stomped on some might say. Lol