Visually Impressive Fighting Techniques Which Went By The Wayside In MMA

[Blackjack]

The suplex which Kevin Randleman executed on Fedor changed the way MMA progressed. It wasn't effective on Fedor even though it looked impressive. That right there told fighters: "Don't expend the energy to execute that particular type of suplex in which your opponent lands on his head because what little reward you get from it isn't worth the amount of energy expended."

Had that suplex been effective and led to a victory over the then greatest fighter in the world, we would see a lot of fighters emulating it today. I have no doubt that it would be incredibly effective in an actual streetfight or on a concrete floor, but there is enough padding in a fighting ring or presumably the Octagon, that it doesn't lead to the knockout it is designed to deliver.

Which other visually impressive but ultimately ineffective techniques, such as the one known as the belly to back or German suplex, have you seen go by the wayside in the time you've been following MMA?

 

[Candy Routure]

The Supman punch is seen less and less.. They were were spammed in 2005!

 

[touchedbyjab]

Flying heelhook fell off

 

[ALAN PARTRIDGE]

Rampage Powerslam was epic

 

[TheNinja]

On a mere mortal human being that Randleplex would have killed or crippled them, or at the very least KO them instantly. The problem was that it was done to Fedor, so to him it felt like a nice neck stretch.

I like flying triangles

 

[phatron]

The suplex which Kevin Randleman executed on Fedor changed the way MMA progressed. It wasn't effective on Fedor even though it looked impressive. That right there told fighters: "Don't expend the energy to execute that particular type of suplex in which your opponent lands on his head because what little reward you get from it isn't worth the amount of energy expended."

Had that suplex been effective and led to a victory over the then greatest fighter in the world, we would see a lot of fighters emulating it today. I have no doubt that it would be incredibly effective in an actual streetfight or on a concrete floor, but there is enough padding in a fighting ring or presumably the Octagon, that it doesn't lead to the knockout it is designed to deliver.

Which other visually impressive but ultimately ineffective techniques, such as the one known as the belly to back or German suplex, have you seen go by the wayside in the time you've been following MMA?

That's like saying "since that punch didnt knock out hunt, don't execute that punch anymore"

Fighters/coaches don't think the way you described the suplex at all

 

[jcow3]

The suplex which Kevin Randleman executed on Fedor changed the way MMA progressed. It wasn't effective on Fedor even though it looked impressive. That right there told fighters: "Don't expend the energy to execute that particular type of suplex in which your opponent lands on his head because what little reward you get from it isn't worth the amount of energy expended."

Had that suplex been effective and led to a victory over the then greatest fighter in the world, we would see a lot of fighters emulating it today. I have no doubt that it would be incredibly effective in an actual streetfight or on a concrete floor, but there is enough padding in a fighting ring or presumably the Octagon, that it doesn't lead to the knockout it is designed to deliver.

Which other visually impressive but ultimately ineffective techniques, such as the one known as the belly to back or German suplex, have you seen go by the wayside in the time you've been following MMA?

Hmmmm, although I understand the question you're asking, I'm not 100% sure I would call slams like that ineffective- they seem to work for khabib, as well as Khabilov in his fight against Pichel.

That being said, ALAN brought up the rampage slam. While that worked for rampage in that one particular fight, it seems like most guys who try to slam their way out of triangles get caught even deeper into the hold - pat Barry vs Stefan struve comes to mind, as well as Jason macdonald against Ryan jenson.

 

[Bewareofdawg]

Nobody uses the showtime kick anymore...

 

[Blayt7hh]

Except that people still use supplexs ya gooF

 

[moreorless87]

Indeed and its hardly easy, nobody else in MMA history could likely pull it off as effectively as Randleman. Fedor as a former high level judoka was also well suited for taking it, he tucked his head in and didn't tense up meaning it was much less effective.

 

[zerofux]

Front kick to the chest.

 

[Blackjack]

That's like saying "since that punch didnt knock out hunt, don't execute that punch anymore"

Fighters/coaches don't think the way you described the suplex at all

No, the punch is just a basic move that is part of every single MMA fighter's arsenal. It doesn't require the high level of energy expenditure that a German suplex does nor does it require the high level of risk that some of these flying moves that other posters have mentioned in this thread. These moves which we either don't see anymore or rarely see anymore despite being popular with the fans for being visually impressive because they either require too high an energy expenditure to reward ratio or have to high a risk to reward ratio are the subject of this thread.

 

[Draxton]

Front kick to the chest.

 

[Blackjack]

Nobody uses the showtime kick anymore...

That's a good example! It's very impressive but has a very high risk to reward ratio.

 

[zerofux]

That's right. JDS, bringing it back.

 

[TheGreatA]

In those days, literally anything could've happened in a fight. Most fighters have settled down to a basic style nowadays.

 

[SeverianB]

The legendary Harold Howard technique.

 

[Blackjack]

Indeed and its hardly easy, nobody else in MMA history could likely pull it off as effectively as Randleman. Fedor as a former high level judoka was also well suited for taking it, he tucked his head in and didn't tense up meaning it was much less effective.

That's a great point. Not only does that type of suplex require a big energy expenditure, maybe the biggest of all MMA techniques, but it requires a high level of technical ability to properly execute. So unless the fighter has a Greco-Roman or Catch background, he's facing the prospect of devoting a large amount of his time and energy just to learn how to properly execute the maneuver. Add that to the fact that it will take a lot of energy out of him in a fight and it becomes clear why we hardly ever see anybody attempt that particular type of suplex anymore. Even guys with the proper wrestling background hardly ever even attempt that particular type of duplex anymore.

If Randleman had knocked Fedor out with his "Randleplex", I think we'd be seeing MMA fighters dumping each other on their heads with the German or Belly-To-Back Suplex on pretty much every single PPV or at least on a fairly high percentage of MMA cards these days. They saw that and figured "I can't execute a suplex any better than Randleman did. If it's not going to do more to my opponent than that, it's not worth it."

The "Rampage-slam" is another visually impressive maneuver that I enjoyed seeing, but pretty much never see anymore because it requires so much energy and while it can be effective, it's not executed well enough often enough to be worth the energy expenditure. There is risk involved too because your opponent might just sink his armbar in deeper while you're attempting the "Rampage-slam." If that happens, unless you slam him well enough to knock him out, you'll probably end up tapping.

 

[TheGreatA]

That's a great point. Not only does that type of suplex require a big energy expenditure, maybe the biggest of all MMA techniques, but it requires a high level of technical ability to properly execute. So unless the fighter has a Greco-Roman or Catch background, he's facing the prospect of devoting a large amount of his time and energy just to learn how to properly execute the maneuver. Add that to the fact that it will take a lot of energy out of him in a fight and it becomes clear why we hardly ever see anybody attempt that particular type of suplex anymore. Even guys with the proper wrestling background hardly ever even attempt that particular type of duplex anymore.

If Randleman had knocked Fedor out with his "Randleplex", I think we'd be seeing MMA fighters dumping each other on their heads with the German or Belly-To-Back Suplex on pretty much every single PPV or at least on a fairly high percentage of MMA cards these days. They saw that and figured "I can't execute a suplex any better than Randleman did. If it's not going to do more to my opponent than that, it's not worth it."

The "Rampage-slam" is another visually impressive maneuver that I enjoyed seeing, but pretty much never see anymore because it requires so much energy and while it can be effective, it's not executed well enough often enough to be worth the energy expenditure. There is risk involved too because your opponent might just sink his armbar in deeper while you're attempting the "Rampage-slam." If that happens, unless you slam him well enough to knock him out, you'll probably end up tapping.

Part of the reason why you don't see more people piledrived on their heads, is because the Unified rules actually have banned spiking. So technically, the Randleplex would be illegal nowadays.

 

[SeverianB]

Michelle Waterson is bringing the Axe Kick BACK, baby!