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Virtue Signaling in Gaming Megathread, v.2

It’s wild that he’s lecturing other people on grammar and the dude thinks you can never start a sentence with and.
it’s honestly embarrassing @GearSolidMetal doesn’t know you can 100% begin a sentence w/ a conjunction. trying to dunk while peddling a false grammatical no-no like he’s still in middle school & writing his book report. classic.
 
'All of gaming' is an exaggeration, but there has been a tendency of western developers to infuse their games with leftist/marxist principles.

Eastern-developed games aren't doing this.
Even China-developed games aren't doing this.

A short list of obvious signs of leftist/marxist principles -
*Uglifying female characters. (The equivelent of modern art)
*Filling up the cast with LGBTQ characters.
*Girl-bosses with effeminate men.

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Sure maybe they aren’t as hot but that doesn’t mean they’re bad games. You really going to turn down Returnal because the protagonist has short hair?
 
it’s honestly embarrassing @GearSolidMetal doesn’t know you can 100% begin a sentence w/ a conjunction. trying to dunk while peddling a false grammatical no-no like he’s still in middle school & writing his book report. classic.

@HenryFlower saying what someone else should be embarrassed about.

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Sure maybe they aren’t as hot but that doesn’t mean they’re bad games. You really going to turn down Returnal because the protagonist has short hair?

Returnal is actually on the top of my list of games to play when I get a PS5.
And female characters with 'short hair' isn't a qualifier that a game is 'woke.'

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Well one perspective is more evidence based than the other but sure.

I was just asking what games you thought failed predominantly due to wokeness or leftism or whatever the boogeyman of the month is.
I'm not going to pretend to search failed games and try to back up my input because everything I'm saying is coming from the heart as a consumer.
I'm in my 40s, I had the O.G . NES.
You may mock me and say the data shows that I'm an outlier but, I think most gamers will and do agree that the modern gaming stratosphere is corrupt and twisted because of a left leaning political agenda.
 
I'm not going to pretend to search failed games and try to back up my input because everything I'm saying is coming from the heart as a consumer.
I'm in my 40s, I had the O.G . NES.
You may mock me and say the data shows that I'm an outlier but, I think most gamers will and do agree that the modern gaming stratosphere is corrupt and twisted because of a left leaning political agenda.
Like what? Jesus Christ dude say something. It’s so frustrating reading your posts. “Umm like video games are being destroyed by the left but umm I can’t name any and well other people agree with me”. If it’s so prevalent it shouldn’t be this difficult
 
I'm not going to pretend to search failed games and try to back up my input because everything I'm saying is coming from the heart as a consumer.
I'm in my 40s, I had the O.G . NES.
You may mock me and say the data shows that I'm an outlier but, I think most gamers will and do agree that the modern gaming stratosphere is corrupt and twisted because of a left leaning political agenda.
Most wouldn't given that the vast majority would be female or in their teens. It's like mma...sometimes you got to come to grips with the fact that you've aged out and we're no longer the target demographic for a product anymore.

Like I said: the vast majority of gamers wouldn't even think of politics when deciding to purchase a game or not.
 
Like what? Jesus Christ dude say something. It’s so frustrating reading your posts. “Umm like video games are being destroyed by the left but umm I can’t name any and well other people agree with me”. If it’s so prevalent it shouldn’t be this difficult
What kind of data points are you looking for?
I quoted you a list of the most popular games a few pages back that explains my posture regarding the breakdown of paying gamers.
This whole conversation is all about vibes and feels. I just think straight white men are the main player base and should be catered to by developers.
Dont be frustrated dude. You aren't going to convince me to side with you and I'm not going to convince you to side with me.
It's a conversation that I enjoy participating in because it matters a little bit to me. The state of games isn't helping me with my mortgage
I said what I said and I believe what I said.
 
Most wouldn't given that the vast majority would be female or in their teens. It's like mma...sometimes you got to come to grips with the fact that you've aged out and we're no longer the target demographic for a product anymore.

Like I said: the vast majority of gamers wouldn't even think of politics when deciding to purchase a game or not.
For sure. A man in his forties like me isn't the target demo for anyone besides life insurance sales people.
I can and will judge game devs for trying to appeal to non existing audiences and dumbing their games down.
 
For sure. A man in his forties like me isn't the target demo for anyone besides life insurance sales people.
I can and will judge game devs for trying to appeal to non existing audiences and dumbing their games down.
I mean...sure we can agree on some aspects of game design and quality getting worse due to changing business models mostly, but clearly the audience is there for a lot of games you'd probably consider woke or politically charged.
 
You two done jerking off on each other’s faces yet?
Clowned yourself and this is the best you can do

Embarrassing stuff

and do you think i give a chicken fried fuck what some trump lickspittle thinks of me? you guys put on diapers and garbage bags and wear maxi pads on your face while you champion for adjudicated fraudsters and rapists.
Definitely reads like this person “doesn’t care” <mma1>

Jesus Christ guys. Its so completely obviously true that the left have made games worse.
I vote Dem. and I can see with my own eyes how the weirdos on the the left have radicalized gaming for the worst.
Thank you for some honesty and reality

Except you're the one saying the left has ruined gaming...yet it's more like bad corporate leadership and industry consolidation has reuined games more than anything else.

Even games with political themes that fail usually fail because they're bad games and would have failed without or without those themes.
Maybe if they spent less time on inserting political themes and more on hiring better people and focusing on good game play the other issues wouldn’t have arisen or would have been diminished.

Me too bro.
This is a thread to discuss political topics in gaming.
So, why are we here?
He’s so incredibly angry on this thread all the time

Most wouldn't given that the vast majority would be female or in their teens. It's like mma...sometimes you got to come to grips with the fact that you've aged out and we're no longer the target demographic for a product anymore.

Like I said: the vast majority of gamers wouldn't even think of politics when deciding to purchase a game or not.
Like movie and Tv they’ll find this supposed demographic they are chasing doesn’t exist.

They’ll chase off an established large fan base to chase a smaller target that won’t by their stuff. The numbers wil show they are failing. And you will just deny it.
 
Maybe if they spent less time on inserting political themes and more on hiring better people and focusing on good game play the other issues wouldn’t have arisen or would have been diminished.
I like how you think writing a side quest or two is a major use of resources for AAA game development. Every studio hires differently, it's rare that hires are flat out incompetent in this day and age given how many devs are on the job market.

So like I said: most game failures tend to come top to bottom, whether bad vision, lack of resources, bad project management, etc. Same reasons most non-gaming products flop or are agonizing to make.

It's telling that every is convinced Ubisoft or ____ is failing because of some random writer or devs, are opposed to the actual leadership of the company.
Like movie and Tv they’ll find this supposed demographic they are chasing doesn’t exist.

They’ll chase off an established large fan base to chase a smaller target that won’t by their stuff. The numbers wil show they are failing. And you will just deny it.
And yet there are plenty of political games or games with liberal or "woke" or political themes doing great. Just like there are plenty of other games that do great or not great.

But who cares about nuance when an old man can yell at the clouds.
 
I'm not sure if you have your head in the sand here?
This is a political topic ITT, right?
So fundamentals of gameplay aren't really the point?
They're just in denial. It can't possibly that thing that they support that is turning people off. It just can't be. They're on the right side of history!
 
They're just in denial. It can't possibly that thing that they support that is turning people off. It just can't be. They're on the right side of history!
i don’t think any of us would deny that these things turn people off—our assertion is that those people aren’t in great enough numbers to be the root cause of financial ruin for these games & that shitty games will perform poorly because they’re shitty. i think a lot of you recognize this as being the case, so then the typical walking brain fart like @SuperAlly or @GearSolidMetal will try to claim that the company was so wrapped up in woke or DEI politics that they forgot to focus on making a good game, which is literally conjecture based on assertions that cannot be objectively proven.
 
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i don’t think any of us would deny that these things turn people off—our assertion is that those people are in great enough numbers to be the root cause of financial ruin for these games & that shitty games will perform poorly because they’re shitty. i think a lot of you recognize this as being the case, so then the typical walking brain fart like @SuperAlly or @GearSolidMetal will try to claim that the company was so wrapped up in woke or DEI politics that they forgot to focus on making a good game, which is literally conjecture based on assertions that cannot be objectively proven.
These folks would have you believe that wokeness shaved off a couple million purchases for Dragon Age, as opposed to a far smaller slice. It's a bunch of older dudes who are so far in their echo chamber they think the entire gaming market -- much of it which is teens or guys and gals in their 20s -- share their views and obsessions.
 
i don’t think any of us would deny that these things turn people off—our assertion is that those people are in great enough numbers to be the root cause of financial ruin for these games & that shitty games will perform poorly because they’re shitty.
But a lot of the shitty games are made by shitty woke developers. The Western gaming industry didn't go to shit just out of the blue for no reason. It's all tied to them getting caught up in #metoo and Gamergate. Studios overcorrected, got rid of a bunch of talented people, started consulting with morons to check certain boxes and eliminate "toxic" elements from gaming, hired morons to head development teams, and here we are.

Just look at the leads on the DA:V development team. You're gonna tell me the infusion of their obvious political ideology had nothing to do with how shitty that game turned out to be?
i think a lot of you recognize this as being the case, so then the typical walking brain fart like @SuperAlly or @GearSolidMetal will try to claim that the company was so wrapped up in woke or DEI politics that they forgot to focus on making a good game, which is literally conjecture based on assertions that cannot be objectively proven.
How many whistle blowers do you need to hear from to admit that it's at least a large part of the problem? Nobody is pulling this shit out of there asses. You have scores of woke mission statements by these developers that are out there. You have many whistle blowers telling you exactly how ridiculous the environments are at these studios. Oh' and then the shitty woke games that nobody wants, and companies currently dissolving in front of our eyes due to very few purchasing them.

This is basically like arguing against the "lab leak" theory. Just look around and try to blame anything and everything else, but the obvious.
 
It's a bunch of older dudes who are so far in their echo chamber they think the entire gaming market -- much of it which is teens or guys and gals in their 20s -- share their views and obsessions.
Given the current state of the industry and how young people are leaning these days, they would be correct. It's you guys that are in denial that people are rejecting the shit you want in games and entertainment in general. You refuse to believe it's the reason these industries are suffering, because you're a lefty who can't comprehend that your worldview is getting soundly rejected by the masses.
 
Studios overcorrected, got rid of a bunch of talented people, started consulting with morons to check certain boxes and eliminate "toxic" elements from gaming, hired morons to head development teams, and here we are.
You mean how one of Ubisoft's main challenges has been retaining developers in part because they refused to fire/punish toxic employees?

Who are all these talented people that were fired and tanked games?
Just look at the leads on the DA:V development team. You're gonna tell me the infusion of their obvious political ideology had nothing to do with how shitty that game turned out to be?
Which of their leads do you think were untalented and hired for their ideology?
Oh' and then the shitty woke games that nobody wants, and companies currently dissolving in front of our eyes due to very few purchasing them.
Right..Bioware...the company that has struggled to produce quality games that sell well for over decade, but somehow it's wokeness that's to blame. This is the kind of shitty inability to recognize nuance or context that comes from living in a rage-bait echo chamber.
 
Given the current state of the industry and how young people are leaning these days, they would be correct. It's you guys that are in denial that people are rejecting the shit you want in games and entertainment in general. You refuse to believe it's the reason these industries are suffering, because you're a lefty who can't comprehend that your worldview is getting soundly rejected by the masses.
Remind me again, how did GOW Ragnorak and TLOU2 do? Baldur's Gate? Or who could forget people claiming that Indian Jones would be woke and garbage because of how a dev looked or the trailer.

It's telling that you only speak in vagaries and can't actually give me a list of games that failed due to wokeness versus woke games that did well. Again, nuance and context don't exist to you, you have a preconceived narrative that you to shoehorn events into.

Games rarely succeed or fail due to heir politics or political elements. It usually comes down to actual game quality.
 
Which of their leads do you think were untalented and hired for their ideology?
Oh gee, I don't know. The transgender development lead who, with the help of their thuper duper gay lead writer, infused transgender ideology into a high fantasy game. You know, the one that just "resigned", along with the entire team behind that game...
Right..Bioware...the company that has struggled to produce quality games that sell well for over decade, but somehow it's wokeness that's to blame. This is the kind of shitty inability to recognize nuance or context that comes from living in a rage-bait echo chamber.
Yep, everyone is wrong but you lefties. Sorry, but the days of people putting their heads in sand about this destructive social virus, are long gone. Enjoy watching this shit go up in smoke, and the industry miraculously coming back to normalcy. The experiment is over.
 
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