Virtue Signaling in Gaming Megathread, v.2

[Zazen]

But its something they care about in video games.


He's the superhero and is saving lives whenever he can.
Yet she doesn't praise him, and he praises her as 'amazing.'

These details are not done by accident.



As I said I haven't played it myself, and only going off what I've heard, so if that's a mute point then I guess that was an exaggeration from whom I heard it from.




We shall see the importance of Peter's role in future games. Perhaps you're correct and they'll be a 50/50 team, but from the cutscenes I saw it seemed like more than that.

And the script writer made this public -

Spider-Man 2 writer reveals Miles Morales is now the main character - Dexerto

Insomniac is continuing to share details on Spider-Man 2, this time confirming who’s the lead Web-Head moving forward.

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Spider-Man 2 writer reveals Miles Morales is now the main character​

But I have a feeling Insomiac wants to keep their sales numbers high, especially with the supposed $300 million budget for the recent game, and not go back to the sales of the 'Miles Morales' PS5 launch title that only sold half the units of the 2018 Spider-Man game.

So time will tell.



As a huge fan of the Ultimate Spider-Man comics I've despised Miles because they killed off Peter and introduced Miles to replace him.

That said, the absolute BEST portrayal of Miles was 'Into The Spiderverse.' I literally have no complaints with Miles being a rookie superhero and learning from a jaded Peter.

Haven't seen the sequel, but I probably will as the 3rd movie is getting closer to being released.



I look at this way... new minority characters inheriting the mantle of popular white characters is a form of tokenism. They're basically admitting the black character can't be popular through their own merrits and individuality and must be given the name & costume of a more popular character in the hopes the popularity transfers over... and that never works in the dozens of attempts.

Blade
Storm
Spawn
Black Panther
Psylocke
War Machine
Luke Cage
Bishop

These are just the top names off the top of my head of great original black comic book characters that didn't need any help from a more popular character to become popular.

Spawn was the #1 most successful independent comic book series of the 90s.
Blade's 1998 movie achieved a success that gave Hollywood the confidence to put in production the 2000 X-Men movie, which greenlit the 2002 Spider-Man movie, numerous other independent comic book films throughout the 2000s like Hellboy, and eventually the MCU.

But apparently they can't/won't develop their own new black super hero characters now.

But then Tales of Kenzera comes out (an original game featuring an African cast of characters) and it still gets shit on and accused of being DEI and woke. That’s why I don’t buy into the whole “we just want original characters” bullshit that’s parroted by so many, I think it’s just racist gamers. Same thing happening to that flintlock game announced yesterday at Xbox showcase. Black woman, new IP. Still gets crapped on

 

[Dizzy]

I haven't played it myself, but from what I've heard there's many more woke aspects in it.

*Made MJ ugly.
*Peter is whipped for her, for no apparent reason. He even says "You are amazing."
*Miles is clearly better at being Spiderman than Peter, to the point beating Peter with the Venom suit is easy. They even make Miles run slightly faster.
*Peter says to Miles "Why does the city need me when it has you."

So basically the entire narrative beats down Peter to the point of irrelevancy and Miles is being set up to replace him.... just like he did in the Ultimate line of comics when Miles was first introduced.

'Woke' creatives at Marvel Comics, Sweet Baby Gang (who wrote the script), and Sony/Hollywood would love Miles to replace Peter within more mediums, but the sales for Miles in comics and games aren't there, and no matter how hard they try Peter playing 2nd fiddle to Miles will not play well for the fans.

On Twitter, is a reflection of your idealogy on the subject if you back #PeterParkerIsSpiderMan or #MilesMoralesIsSpiderMan.

Just like how they're trying to get Falcon to replace Brett Rogers as Captain America in the MCU, and many fans aren't following along to the point the next 'Captain America' movie is currently in reshoots for a 3rd time. Production is a complete clusterfuck and its guaranteed to suck.

The sad thing is, Miles Morales doesn't need the Spider-Man name narratively. He could branch out into his own thing... kinda like how one of Batman's Robins dropped the name and became NightWing. But for some reason the powers-at-be want to keep Miles from doing something independent and they want him to inherrit the Spider-Man name.

Well you’ve never played it so your opinion doesn’t mean much.

I do find it funny that you’re saying the new Captain America is going to bomb because woke yet Spider-Man 2 is apparently woke while being one of Sony’s biggest hits.

 

[HereticBD]

This indeed. The woke outrage is getting more and more retarded.

The problem is that it exists and it doesn't exist. The people who will suffer for it, are the ones with no agenda. There was(and still is) a clear push for "wokeness" in media. It was recognized and rejected. Problem is, now people see it everywhere. Remember that the term "woke" was originally a positive thing. Right wingers rallying against it didn't make it up. They just took it from the people pushing it, and turned it into a negative establishment agenda, which it is...in some cases.

The people sick and tired of the term being used as a negative, need to look in the mirror and figure out how it came to be such a negative. It was the unnatural push that turned it into what it is today. It was a brand or a trend, that just got unpopular. No different than any other. When the powers that be are telling you that it's the greatest thing ever and you must love it, it's gonna get push back.

Unfortunately, it will hurt people with no such agenda, because the term became a catch all for "progress". Progress that isn't necessarily progressive at all.

 

[iNoScopedJFK]

I haven't played it myself, but from what I've heard there's many more woke aspects in it.

*Made MJ ugly.
*Peter is whipped for her, for no apparent reason. He even says "You are amazing."
*Miles is clearly better at being Spiderman than Peter, to the point beating Peter with the Venom suit is easy. They even make Miles run slightly faster.
*Peter says to Miles "Why does the city need me when it has you."

So basically the entire narrative beats down Peter to the point of irrelevancy and Miles is being set up to replace him.... just like he did in the Ultimate line of comics when Miles was first introduced.

'Woke' creatives at Marvel Comics, Sweet Baby Gang (who wrote the script), and Sony/Hollywood would love Miles to replace Peter within more mediums, but the sales for Miles in comics and games aren't there, and no matter how hard they try Peter playing 2nd fiddle to Miles will not play well for the fans.

On Twitter, is a reflection of your idealogy on the subject if you back #PeterParkerIsSpiderMan or #MilesMoralesIsSpiderMan.

Just like how they're trying to get Falcon to replace Brett Rogers as Captain America in the MCU, and many fans aren't following along to the point the next 'Captain America' movie is currently in reshoots for a 3rd time. Production is a complete clusterfuck and its guaranteed to suck.

The sad thing is, Miles Morales doesn't need the Spider-Man name narratively. He could branch out into his own thing... kinda like how one of Batman's Robins dropped the name and became NightWing. But for some reason the powers-at-be want to keep Miles from doing something independent and they want him to inherrit the Spider-Man name.

"I haven't actually seen or played this thing, but I heard from friends its woke!" Is basically every conservative take on media now. You only get your info from your hate filled conservative echo chambers because no of you can form your own opinion without pushing some sort of right-wing agenda.

Also, fuck off with that whole Miles Morales doesn't need to be spider man shit. He has been Spider-Man for over 10 years but now all if a sudden it a problem. He is the best example we ever got of a hero passing the torch to someone else.

 

[GtehMVP]

People exaggerate/blow things or proportion all the time, and media exasperates the outrage for $$. However, forced ESG garbage is plaguing too much of our entertainment, it's very evident.

There's been a lot of collateral damage in the pushback when a lot of the furor should be directed at people like this cunt.

 

[HenryFlower]

i miss the days of legitimate media criticism. some of the nonsense being spewed here & elsewhere makes my brain die.

 

[Dizzy]

 

[HenryFlower]

gold.

 

[Zazen]

These losers live in an echo chamber and they think everyone is just as outraged as them 24/7. Reminds me of a story, there was a white girl a few years back that got a lot of hate online for wearing a traditional Chinese dress to a prom or something. People accused her of appropriating Chinese culture but then I watched some interviews in China and everyone loved the fact that she was putting their culture on display for more people to see.

Most Japanese people don't care about this stuff either and they probably like the fact that there's someone who isn't Japanese embracing their culture.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[Zazen]

Dude is going to be staring at a monkeys ass for the vast majority of the game and he’s commenting on a woman in what is most likely a brief cutscene. Do these people even play video games?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Dude is going to be staring at a monkeys ass for the vast majority of the game and he’s commenting on a woman in what is most likely a brief cutscene. Do these people even play video games?

You actually know she's only in a brief cutscene or it just a guess?

Regardless, its more about the principle of the matter. 3D artists, just like regular artists, learn to draw by drawing beautiful people. It takes effort... against their instincts to design people who are.... not beautiful.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Lol Jason verbally bitchslapped that retard.

I also still don't know what woke is exactly supposed to be. It varies from "pushing an agenda" to just having black people appearing in videogames.

This is fun

Sweet baby is the new boogeyman, it’s something else man. They’re like a handful of people but somehow responsible for the destruction of the gaming industry

You guys are kissing the point when it came to the Sweet Baby scandal. The point wasn’t that those people campaigning against them have bad opinions, the point was they tried to get a fans community list censored on Steam.

I’m all for gay rights. I don’t mind gay people in games. I am also 100% against censoring dissenting opinions.

 

[Dizzy]

You guys are kissing the point when it came to the Sweet Baby scandal. The point wasn’t that those people campaigning against them have bad opinions, the point was they tried to get a fans community list censored on Steam.

I’m all for gay rights. I don’t mind gay people in games. I am also 100% against censoring dissenting opinions.

I’m not missing any point. The posts I’ve made are examples of absolutely insane people who believe they’re fighting some crusade.

One guy is insisting to arguably the best gaming journalist out there that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and it has to be about culture wars. The other is a guy who intentionally misinterpreted a screenshot to farm outrage.

These losers are swinging at ghosts that only the brain rotted see.

 

[My Spot]

I wonder if they also brag about boycotting a Harry Potter game on a karate forum. So brave, much heroic.

 

[Zazen]

You actually know she's only in a brief cutscene or it just a guess?

Regardless, its more about the principle of the matter. 3D artists, just like regular artists, learn to draw by drawing beautiful people. It takes effort... against their instincts to design people who are.... not beautiful.

It's a guess based on the fact that all we've seen from the game are boss fights. In Journey to the West, Wukong faces 81 different monsters throughout his epic journey. It is rumored that will be the exact number of bosses too. It doesn't seem like a game that's going to have a huge amount of cutscenes. They didn't even put out a story trailer from what I recall. I think it will have a story but it won't be something like a God of War or Final Fantasy that's for sure that's filled with a ton of dialogue between set pieces.

Don't you think it's healthy to have some balance? I like gorgeous female characters but I don't need every single character to look like Eve from Stellar Blade. I think way too many terminally online culture warriors have porn brain and don't know how real women look. Take Aloy from the Horizon series. She's honestly not a bad looking person and I'd argue that most females in Western games aren't ugly. They're just more normal I guess? Anyway, at least there's a variety of games to choose from. Wish people would stop crying so much and just stick to the games they enjoy.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

's a guess based on the fact that all we've seen from the game are boss fights. In Journey to the West, Wukong faces 81 different monsters throughout his epic journey. It is rumored that will be the exact number of bosses too. It doesn't seem like a game that's going to have a huge amount of cutscenes. They didn't even put out a story trailer from what I recall. I think it will have a story but it won't be something like a God of War or Final Fantasy that's for sure that's filled with a ton of dialogue between set pieces.

If that's 'the case' they should just take the money to uglify one female character that's briefly in the game.

But they didn't take the money, so either they have a firm sense of artistic integrity, or its not 'the case.'

Don't you think it's healthy to have some balance?

Lets apply this case of appealing to 'modern audiences' by uglifying female characters to already loved franchises.

Which female characters from Mass Effect, The Witcher, and Final Fantasy sould have been uglified?

And as I typed 'Mass Effect' I reminded myself of Mass Effect Andromeda, and how those female characters were so lame and forgettable in comparison to the original trilogy.
So which of the female characters of the trilogy should have been lame and forgettable?

. Take Aloy from the Horizon series. She's honestly not a bad looking person and I'd argue that most females in Western games aren't ugly. They're just more normal I guess? Anyway, at least there's a variety of games to choose from. Wish people would stop crying so much and just stick to the games they enjoy.

Right when I mention 'lame and boring' female characters, you mention Aloy from the Horizon games.

I've only played the 1st game and it was alright overall, but Aloy is a boring Mary Sue that always does the right thing and everybody instantly likes her upon first laying eyes on her. She has no attraction to anyone although every guy she meets has an attraction to her.

Haven't bothered to play the sequel.

Wish people would stop crying so much and just stick to the games they enjoy.

Have you seen the Doom Dark Ages preview?

 

[Zazen]

If that's 'the case' they should just take the money to uglify one female character that's briefly in the game.

But they didn't take the money, so either they have a firm sense of artistic integrity, or its not 'the case.'


Lets apply this case of appealing to 'modern audiences' by uglifying female characters to already loved franchises.

Which female characters from Mass Effect, The Witcher, and Final Fantasy sould have been uglified?

And as I typed 'Mass Effect' I reminded myself of Mass Effect Andromeda, and how those female characters were so lame and forgettable in comparison to the original trilogy.
So which of the female characters of the trilogy should have been lame and forgettable?



Right when I mention 'lame and boring' female characters, you mention Aloy from the Horizon games.

I've only played the 1st game and it was alright overall, but Aloy is a boring Mary Sue that always does the right thing and everybody instantly likes her upon first laying eyes on her. She has no attraction to anyone although every guy she meets has an attraction to her.

Haven't bothered to play the sequel.


Have you seen the Doom Dark Ages preview?

Eve was kind of bland too though, being hot doesn't automatically make someone more interesting. Eve only really showed some personality in the last few hours of the game. Still loved the game overall though as I do with Horizon. Aloy probably doesn't joke around much because every game has a world ending threat. I'll take that over Whedon Marvel humor that forces into into everything.

I can't speak on uglifying characters because I didn't even know that was a thing.

Last point, I wasn't even aware there were previews already for Doom. I only saw the reveal trailer. What's that have to do with anything anyway? I think I missed your point.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Eve was kind of bland too though, being hot doesn't automatically make someone more interesting. Eve only really showed some personality in the last few hours of the game. Still loved the game overall though as I do with Horizon.

Haven't played it. Don't have a PS5.

Aloy probably doesn't joke around much because every game has a world ending threat. I'll take that over Whedon Marvel humor that forces into into everything.

Who mentioned 'Whedon Marvel Humor?' Can only recall a few games which that qualifies.

Aloy is a complete bore throughout the first game.

The Mass Effect trilogy has universe-ending threats and they're stuffed with humor. So just because there's a threatening antagonist is no excuse for personality-less protagonist/s.

I can't speak on uglifying characters because I didn't even know that was a thing.

This thread is stuffed with examples of ugly female protagonists, or at least ones with masculine features.

So don't pretend to have no idea what the issue is in an attempt to ignore the issue.

Last point, I wasn't even aware there were previews already for Doom. I only saw the reveal trailer. What's that have to do with anything anyway? I think I missed your point.

Oh nothing, I'm just curious how you'd think how leftist activists like Sweet Baby Inc could improve it if they got involved in its development.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

That settles all debate.