International Vietnam poised to be big post-pandemic winner

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I think China is about to lose a lot of its economic clout because it seems Vietnam ASEAN Japan and and other countries are just doing anything they can to support the west because they are seeing that China is a bad ally.

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https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/vietn...xX2fBSYUN_l0WL7iQemoaZ2w6_1sDPbwXFBsL5UmHlt7I

Through early and efficient border closures, uncharacteristic official transparency and strategic Covid-19 diplomacy, communist-run Vietnam is fast emerging as a likely post-pandemic winner.

For a nation that has long-sought to secure it’s place as a reliable and responsible global actor, the coronavirus outbreak and its minimal impact on Vietnam has presented the nation an opportunity in crisis analysts say it is firmly grasping.

Carl Thayer, emeritus professor at the University of New South Wales in Australia and a recognized Vietnam expert, says that Hanoi was “quick off the mark” in its version of “coronavirus diplomacy”, a gambit China, Taiwan and others have likewise deployed to strategic effect.

Vietnam has recently ramped up medical equipment production and made related donations to countries in Covid-19 need, including to the United States, Russia, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom.


The latter five European nations, all grappling to cope with the pandemic, have negotiated strategic partner agreements with Vietnam in recent years, Thayer noted.

US President Donald Trump earlier this month thanked “our friends in Vietnam” in a Twitter post after America received 450,000 protective hazmat suits manufactured in Vietnamese factories owned and operated by US chemical company DuPont.

Vietnam has also donated face masks, hand sanitizers and other Covid-19 containing supplies to medical services in neighboring Cambodian and Laos, countries with which Vietnam shares special relations and where China has recently made inroads and gains.

“The coronavirus pandemic has been a great opportunity for Vietnam to enhance its soft power, as it helped to broadcast Vietnam’s generous behavior toward the international community,” said Alexander Vuving, professor at the Daniel K Inouye Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu, Hawaii.

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A man wearing a protective face mask walks past a souvenir shop in Hanoi on February 26, 2020, amid concerns of the Covid-19 coronavirus outbreak. Photo: AFP/Nhac Nguyen
Indeed, international praise for Vietnam is soaring at a time when China faces considerable criticism for not only for covering up the initial outbreak of the virus in its Hubei province, but also for spreading disinformation and propaganda in its aftermath, including a bogus official accusation that the US planted the virus in China.

Derek Grossman, a senior defense analyst at the RAND Corporation, a Washington-based think tank, says that Vietnam’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic, as well as its diplomacy amid crisis, will “enable it to demonstrate its value-added to the world.”

That was already becoming apparent to some before the pandemic. Vietnam was one of the few beneficiaries of the US-China trade war as multinational and other companies migrated their factories from China to Vietnam to avoid punitive new US tariffs on China-made goods.

Japanese investment bank Nomura estimates that Vietnam’s economy enjoyed an 8% boost in 2019 as a beneficiary of the shift in supply chains.

Many analysts now expect Vietnam to receive the lion’s share of “second wave” factory relocations driven by the pandemic and growing anti-Chinese sentiment in the West fueled by perceptions China is chiefly responsible for the outbreak.

Politicians in Washington, Tokyo and certain European capitals now speak openly and provocatively about the need for “decoupling” from China’s economy, including to break dependence on a single foreign source for essential imports such as medical supplies.

“Vietnam is a major beneficiary of this diversification as it has proved to be friendly while still cost-effective to firms from the West,” said Vuving. “Vietnam will be, in many cases, their first choice when they look around to find a reliable alternative to the now unreliable Middle Kingdom.

The shift, if indeed on the horizon, couldn’t be better timed for Vietnam. The World Bank forecasts in a worst Covid-19 case scenario that Vietnam’s gross domestic product (GDP) will fall to 1.5% this year, down dramatically from around 7% in recent years.

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A resident wearing a face mask fills a paper bag with free rice amid Vietnam’s nationwide social isolation effort as a preventive measure against the spread of Covid-19, Hanoi, April 11, 2020. Photo: AFP/Manan Vatsyayana
While this would mark Vietnam’s lowest growth in decades, it will still be much higher than most of its Southeast Asian neighbors, including manufacturing rival Thailand, which is now officially projected to see -5.3% GDP growth in 2020.

Investors clearly see the difference as Vietnam’s bourse has emerged as the region’s best performer this year while several of the region’s other stock markets have tanked in anticipation of Covid-19’s economic damage.

Indeed, some pundits suggest that Vietnam’s economy could bounce back faster than other Southeast Asian states in 2021, especially if the likes of the US, Japan and EU states move en masse to relocate their post-pandemic supply chains out of China and into Vietnam.

The Covid-19 crisis also comes at an important diplomatic time for Vietnam. This year the nation holds the rotating chairmanship of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and a non-permanent rotating position on the United Nations’ Security Council.

This week, Vietnam hosted a virtual summit with other Southeast Asian leaders to forge a collective regional Covid-19 response at a time new cases are surging in several of the ten-member bloc’s member states, including Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines.

“It is in these grim hours that the solidarity of the ASEAN community shines like a beacon in the dark,” Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc, who chaired the meeting, said in his opening remarks.

Speculation is now swirling in diplomatic circles that Vietnam’s tenure as ASEAN chair could be unprecedentedly extended until 2021 due to disruptions caused by the coronavirus crisis.

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Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc wearing a face mask on a live video conference for the ASEAN Summit on Covid-19, Hanoi, April 14, 2020. Photo: AFP/Manan Vatsyayana

If so, it would allow Hanoi more time to build regional consensus on two big China-related issues it was expected to emphasize as ASEAN’s chair, namely notching a long-sought code of conduct for the contested South China Sea and an agreement on water resource management on the Mekong River.

Both prickly and escalating issues have put various ASEAN member states at loggerheads with China. Vietnam-China tensions escalated this month after a Chinese surveillance ship sank a Vietnamese fishing boat in contested sea waters; the Philippines came to Vietnam’s diplomatic defense over the incident.

Meanwhile, a report compiled by American climatologists released this week used satellite images to show for the first time that water levels in China’s dammed upper reaches of the Mekong River were running high despite months of severe droughts and parched water flows in downstream Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand.

If Vietnam is to have any success in making its case against China and to emerge as a regional spokesperson for resolving the issues, Hanoi will need to win the support of the wider international community, including in the West.

Vietnam’s diplomacy in the recent years has been geared towards winning friends and potential allies in case of a conflict with China. In that vein, many analysts now consider Vietnam to be America’s closest ally in Southeast Asia.

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US President Donald Trump holds a Vietnamese flag as Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc (L) waves a US flag, Hanoi, February 27, 2019. Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP

Last month, the USS Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier became the second US naval vessel to dock in Vietnam since the end of the Vietnam War in 1975, following another major US naval visit in 2018.

The carrier has since been grounded due to a rash of Covid-19 infections among its personnel, raising speculation China may seize on the vaccuum to take a more assertive approach to the maritime area with the US at least temporarily out of the strategic picture.

Vuving argues that Vietnam is now “veering closer to the US and farther from China” faster than it would have without the Covid-19 pandemic and fast emerging related new security dynamics.
 
It's going to accelerate a preexisting trend.

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Moving production capabilities to a socialist country. Sounds like an interesting experiment never before done
 
1980's: Authoritarian Communist Ruskies bad, but authoritarian Communist Chinaman good

2020's: Authoritarian Communist Chinaman bad, but authoritarian Communist Vietcong good

Murican logic
 
Trumps not a neoliberal so he will be bringing these jobs back to where they belong- America
 
Well they are used to being winners , am I right America ? .......
 
I have alot of personal connection to vietnam.

I could see places moving. Alot are already there. They are like china used to be. Lots of labor, bad quality control, low costs.
 
Moving production capabilities to a socialist country. Sounds like an interesting experiment never before done
1980's: Authoritarian Communist Ruskies bad, but authoritarian Communist Chinaman good

2020's: Authoritarian Communist Chinaman bad, but authoritarian Communist Vietcong good

Murican logic

Vietnam has a market economy and is one of the most pro-capitalist countries on Earth. It also has a long history of distrust and violent clashes with the Chinese. When you say "war", they think CCP not Murica.



The jobs won't be coming back
Labor costs are way too high

A lot of stateside manufacturing jobs.



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Somehow I get the feeling if Captain Bone Spurs had actually been drafted, he wouldn’t have lasted 2 weeks before getting captured and posing with this exact face and flag.

They’re treating me the best. Beautifully. They’ve never treated the PoWs like this ever. Maybe in the history of wars.
You know we go for long walks, maybe some gardening........the food, you know the Foe Soup is delicious.
A lot of people......and I’m not saying who......you can guess who they are.......are saying that this war is wrong and we are imperialistic capital pigs who shall be destroyed when the proletariat rises in rebellion. And that the Vietnamese people shall be victorious and ........I agree......and my good friend John Mc Cain here agrees........oh he saying he DOESNT agree and is making throat slitting gestures at me ..........well considering he keeps falling down stairs and breaking his legs and somehow spends all day just hanging around in chains from the roof all day while good Americans.....like me....you know I like people who don’t get captured ...............

.......goes on for 2 hours a day.
 
Vietnam has a market economy and is one of the most pro-capitalist countries on Earth. It also has a long history of distrust and violent clashes with the Chinese. When you say "war", they think CCP not Murica.





A lot of stateside manufacturing jobs.



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Dude, I absolutely love your posts. I always feel so much smarter after reading them. They always have such good insights on the economy, great graphs, and no b.s.

I knew that Hong Kong was an uber capitalist nation, but had no idea Vietnam was. Also, was absolutely shocked to see Japan being so little free-market driven, according to that poll. Had no idea.
 
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Vietnam was already massively exploding economically.

Which is great as I love Vietnam and Vietnamese people.


I used to have a factory for a prior business I operated in Hanoi and everytime I visited the factory area, it has expanded by 50%

HCMC is set to open the countries first public transport system this year (subway)

Tons of E-commerce operations have opened up in Vietnam too.
 
Somehow I get the feeling if Captain Bone Spurs had actually been drafted, he wouldn’t have lasted 2 weeks before getting captured and posing with this exact face and flag.

They’re treating me the best. Beautifully. They’ve never treated the PoWs like this ever. Maybe in the history of wars.
You know we go for long walks, maybe some gardening........the food, you know the Foe Soup is delicious.
A lot of people......and I’m not saying who......you can guess who they are.......are saying that this war is wrong and we are imperialistic capital pigs who shall be destroyed when the proletariat rises in rebellion. And that the Vietnamese people shall be victorious and ........I agree......and my good friend John Mc Cain here agrees........oh he saying he DOESNT agree and is making throat slitting gestures at me ..........well considering he keeps falling down stairs and breaking his legs and somehow spends all day just hanging around in chains from the roof all day while good Americans.....like me....you know I like people who don’t get captured ...............

.......goes on for 2 hours a day.

I lost..

I read all that in his voice.

"Ah you know I stayed in what they call Hanoi Hilton is bushy like Paris."
 
Vietnam and Thailand were already getting the scraps from China. Or as they said a trickle from China is a flood for them.
Hopefully this process will be accelerated. I wonder if I can invest in this directly? I already own a few SE Asian ETFs.
Hopefully we middle income trap the Sh#t out of China
 
i feel like "made in Taiwan" has a better ring to it

<{jackyeah}>
 
It's going to accelerate a preexisting trend.

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Should have conditions for this. Like improved labor rights as well as environment controls.
Also, they are communists. Should have some sort of democracy deal attached
They still discriminate against those whose ancestors fought for the US
 
Dude, I absolutely love your posts. I always feel so much smarter after reading them. They always have such good insights on the economy, great graphs, and no b.s.

I knew that Hong Kong was an uber capitalist nation, but had no idea Vietnam was. Also, was absolutely shocked to see Japan being so little free-market driven, according to that poll. Had no idea.

I appreciate that. It's probably because 85% of the forum stays focused on domestic partisan nonsense that doesn't mean shit and is almost completely irrelevant to me. Once I'm inevitably banned again with no return, follow @ElKarlo's posts. He shares a lot of my primary interests in history, geopolitics and (American) agriculture, aerospace, defense, energy, industrial tech, manufacturing, etc.
 
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