Van Jones "Russia is a nothingburger" - Project Veritas

It's not my fault you cried for a year about CNN fabricating the Russian hacking scandal.

And I was proven right.

Take a breath, and ask yourself what exactly has been proven in this whole thing. We all knew reports of Russians allegedly hacking into the DNC way back in October. That somehow spawned into this ridiculousness of Trump being a Russian spy, who colluded with them to steal the election, blah, blah, blah.

This six month tirade has nothing to do with merely stating that the the Russians did it. It's all about Trump, and some fantasy that he's the Manchurian candidate. A narrative any and all anti-trumper has bought into hook, line, and sinker. Now that the CNN narrative has been publicly shattered by it's own employees, you want to go back to square one, and claim some kind of victory.

"You guys said it might not have been the Russians, and it probably was, so there!"

This is what people like Van Jones are frustrated at. Trump's detractors clinging onto a story that ultimately means fuck and all.

I'll go back to what I said when the hack broke. I don't give a shit who hacked the DNC. That information was very real, and pertinent information to voters. It's not the Russians' fault that the DNC are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags behind closed doors. Fuck 'em. Thank you for exposing them, Russia.

I don't care much how CNN reports.

- Mad "CNN has been right on the money!" Mick.

Sure bud, sure.
 
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Trumpets seem to forget (or never knew) that these same accusations were being leveled at Trumps advisors before they were Trumps advisors.
Manafort and Davis drew the same criticism when they were advising McCain, despite the fact that McCain was always stridently opposed to Russia.
Carter Page was well established as an advocate of Russian interests, as was Michael Flynn.
The fact that all these known pro-Russia advisers coalesced around Trump (all that was missing was Dana Rohrabacher), given Trumps pronouncements on Foreign Policy during his campaign and the history of Russian interference, of course it should be investigated.
Manafort worked for Marcos in the 1980's, who was a shit head leader of the Philippines. Manafort never had a problem working with dictators as long as the check cleared.
Long read but Manafort has been crooked for a long time.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...fort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952
 
Pardon me for the length of this post, and some of the irregularity as it's been done on my phone.

For anyone that's like me, not dug in with a political party, not totally against a political party, but yet just a dude that was born and lives in America that has his own thoughts, his own views, his own ideas that are far too nuanced to be able to categorize within some neat and tidy package that could lean from one side to the other.

I'm just a dude that works really hard, pays his taxes, and sits on the sidelines and watches intently As the World Turns. I take it as a privilege that we have the technology in the means to be able to follow what is going on in the world, and having been privileged enough to travel to different countries in the past, view on politics and Society in general is now even more nuanced and worldly, combine that with the fact that I love history and what you get is a guy that pays attention to all of it, all over the world.

Badly worded, horrible structured paragraph, but all is leading to my point...

Anyone that was watching the 2016 presidential election last year that did not notice the shift in the media approximately a week or so after both nominations were locked up to an extreme bias against Donald Trump has their head in the sand.

And it never stopped. Maybe it's hard to say someone's head was in the sand when not everyone had the opportunity to watch the networks, and keep their finger on the pulse of the media as the election went on. I mean, I was working 70 hours a week all last summer, and I found time, but that is something I make a priority particularly on an election year.

When I saw the shift occur initially, I told everyone that I knew, everyone who would talk politics with me that Donald Trump for sure was going to lose. That the fix was in. That the media had clearly chosen who they would like to win, which was unprecedented. Everyone threw away all of their integrity, at least those that had any left, and it still didn't work. I'm not a Donald Trump cheerleader by any means, but I was proud of my country on Election Day when we bucked the media and voted for change once again. (once again we won't get it, but we keep voting for it which is good)

But anyway, to know that there are people out there, in June of 2017 almost an entire year after the machine finally took Trump seriously and engaged against him, that could possibly deny the media bias.

And I'm not saying that the Russia thing is bullshit, I don't know. Maybe there is something there that I'm not seeing, maybe there's some kind of Smoking Gun that will be revealed at the end of the FBI investigation that will blow my socks off.

But all the media has got right now, is what we got already, which is what we were told Last Summer before we even voted, which is that Russia was trying to get involved in our election by pumping out a bunch of anti Hillary Clinton propaganda to combat the Clinton machine, and the media.

I don't know what business they have doing that, but if you're telling me but Donald Trump is an illegitimate president because of dude that was hired by Russia wrote a fake article about Hillary Clinton and tricked various people into voting for Donald Trump as a result, and get the fuck out of my face with it.

Oh the Russians hacked the DNC to show the overall populace that the left-wing populist movement was squashed by the party itself, in a move that can only be described in my opinion as Anti-Democratic? Fucking woe is me.

The Russians did us a favor. If George Soros is that butt hurt, maybe he needs to hire some hackers to get into Donald Trump's shit and try to find something that could be possibly worse than grab them by the pussy.

Oh wait, he doesn't need to hire hackers. He has the American Media thumping on Donald Trump from every direction every single minute of the day.

Let me State this again. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, on the face of it, it's an embarrassment for our country that the best candidates we could come up with were reality TV host and a corrupt, tabloid fodder typical politician that has been plugged into positions of power since her husband was elected president in 1992.... I am proud of my country for what happened on Election Day. I would be more proud if he had earned the popular vote, but by winning he showed that Americans will not be swindled so easily by the media anymore, we've been burned too many times. You can thank the 2003 beating of the war Drums by the media, and their lack of Integrity that was no longer a secret since then. At best, America showed that they noticed this, and that they are smarter than that, at worst reince priebus and everyone at the RNC have unmatched ability in the politics game and set up the chessboard just right to allow such and impossible victory to happen. Probably a little bit of both.


It's a losing battle though. The coastal States will continue to fill up with new immigrants, the new age immigrant, coming in search of the new American freedom.

The old immigrants came to America in search of the old American Freedom, when freedom was tied to the word opportunity. Rather than the new American Freedom, where freedom is tied to the word entitlement.

If there is anything that the left has learned over the course of history is that when the population swells, and there are enough Have Nots around, it's irresistible to vote for free stuff, for safety nets.. something that they would never find back home, in the real world.

So to me, all this is is the left, the alt left, let's call it the Deep left, are pulling out all the stops in order to slow down this swing to the right that America took by taking a page out of the right Wings book and attacking the legitimacy of the president. Well, the taking more than a page, I think they're using the entire book that the right-wing used. Donald Trump becoming synonymous with Russia in the same way that Obama's name became synonymous with Obamacare.

It's brilliant. It's fun to see how it is going down in real terms while everyone else is caught up in the fluff and the Tabloid aspect of it, thinking that even if they find that Russia was favoring Trump, funding him, whatever, that it will make any difference in the long run period because that's just Donald Trump. Whatever comes after Trump is going to be even worse for you. America was pissed off in 2008 and voted for change, change won and somehow we still didn't get change. So then we were really really angry by the time 2016 rolled around, and we voted for change in the form of a hand grenade, to throw at the White House and shake shit up... so brace yourself for 2024 when once again we have not received the change we seek. We threw a hand grenade in the White House in 2016, imagine what we will do in 2024.
 
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And I was proven right.

Take a breath, and ask yourself what exactly has been proven in this whole thing. We all knew reports of Russians allegedly hacking into the DNC way back in October. That somehow spawned into this ridiculousness of Trump being a Russian spy, who colluded with them to steal the election, blah, blah, blah.

This six month tirade has nothing to do with merely stating that the the Russians did it. It's all about Trump, and some fantasy that he's the Manchurian candidate. A narrative any and all anti-trumper has bought into hook, line, and sinker. Now that the CNN narrative has been publicly shattered by it's own employees, you want to go back to square one, and claim some kind of victory.

"You guys said it might not have been the Russians, and it probably was, so there!"

This is what people like Van Jones are frustrated at. Trump's detractors clinging onto a story that ultimately means fuck and all.

I'll go back to what I said when the hack broke. I don't give a shit who hacked the DNC. That information was very real, and pertinent information to voters. It's not the Russians' fault that the DNC are a bunch of lying,corrupt scumbags behind closed doors. Fuck 'em. Thank you for exposing them, Russia.



- Mad "CNN has been right on the money!" Mick.

Sure bud, sure.

The left are grasping at straws like crazy. What infuriates me the most is that there are very smart people on this board and elsewhere that are buying it. These are people that buy in to the best qualities of the left wing. Sure, there's a few people that go into some of the extreme views, and those are the people that I try to examine, see where they are coming from and change my opinion on them accordingly.

But in my post before this I spelled it all out. It boggles my fucking mind that there are people that are buying this Russian thing Full Tilt and doing it while at the same time not being intellectually honest enough with either themselves or the rest of us do not admit that this is simply a hype train they have jumped on because they don't like Donald Trump, they don't let the Republican party, they don't like the results of the 2016 election. They won't admit that they would do anything, and believe whatever they need to, to reverse the 2016 election or at least undermined its integrity to the point of it being lame duck.

Some of it I understand. I'm not the biggest fan of the Republican Party either. Not the biggest fan of everything they have done, or tried to do so far this year, but at age 30 I feel like I've been around long enough to understand that the end of the world is not going to come as a result of the Republicans making their moves doing a time period Where they are the victors, because I know that the pendulum will swing the other way eventually and then it will swing back.

But the Power Players that are behind the left wing, let's call them the Deep left, the insanely wealthy and Powerful players that are behind the movement that is powered by issues like gay rights, legal citizenship for everyone, equal pay for women, transgender rights, and a bunch of other shit that the populace cares about but the people we are discussing do not. It's all about power, a party grabs onto an issue and runs with it because they understand there are people out there that will go to the voting booth for that issue. It's really no more complicated than that, and I realize you probably know this comma but I'm setting up my point...

The Deep left is freaking out right now because they were almost assured of victory in 2016, and with having such a bought and paid for person in the Oval Office, combined with the momentum of having office for what would then be 12 years straight, I'm sure they had plans to make some major changes to society, to the world.

I'm not sure what they had planned, but it must not have been good for Russia. I'm guessing that's why Russia through their two cents in and helped swing an election that maybe would have swung anyway due to the underestimated misogyny in this country, along with the underlying thirst for change that our populace has been wanting for a long time.

And all the Deep left can do to fight back is continue to bury the president with the media that they own, and undermine the confidence that their followers have in the president himself so that hopefully they get another shot in 2022 get their guy or girl in.

Now, I'm not under estimating all of the social issues that go into this and saying that they do not matter at all, there are plenty of people better fighting their ass off to turn this around because of the Supreme Court openings coming up and all of that... but I reached my conclusions and really put things together when I saw it for myself the media turned on Trump after he won nomination, when they realized that he was not just a giant ratings boost and a joke candidate for Clinton to merk. As it turned out, Clinton was going to need the media's help.

Here's what I would really like to know: what was going to happen to Russia if Clinton won? Nevermind transgender bathrooms and black lives matter, what did or do the people that actually fund the left, the actual power players in the Deep left want to happen in the world?

Was it going to be war in Syria? Where we going to stay the course in invading all the countries that won't play ball with the central bank?

Because to me that's the real news, and you'll never see or hear a peep of that in the news. Unfortunately you have to read in between the lines, have a good understanding of History, and even then I'm still a bit Clueless as to what the big prize is.

But anyway, I should probably back out of here and let everyone continue debating over the Tabloid fodder, the proxy battle.
 
what a fucking bizarre explanation

 
what a fucking bizarre explanation



LOL.

Somebody likes that CNN money.

"I was about to go into this big explanation that clarified my damning statements, that I had no idea were being recorded...uhh, but, but...

Uh-huh...

Also, nice to see Anderson Cooper subtly try to conflate the Jones video with the producer video, that Huckabee was talking about at the press briefing. The Jones video came out later, Coop. These guys can't do anything but lie. Pathetic.

It's all falling apart.
 
LOL.

Somebody likes that CNN money.

"I was about to go into this big explanation that clarified my damning statements, that I had no idea were recorded...uhh, but, but...

Uh-huh...

Also, nice to see Anderson Cooper subtly try to conflate the Jones video with the producer video, that Huckabee was talking about at the press briefing. The Jones video came out later, Coop. These guys can't do anything but lie. Pathetic.

It's all falling apart.

"It was a nothingburger because he'll never be impeached"

What the fuck is he actually talking about? This somehow makes him look worse LOL

maybe @Madmick and @Ruprecht can clarify his explanation for us. :^)
 
"It was a nothingburger because he'll never be impeached"

What the fuck is he actually talking about? This somehow makes him look worse LOL

It's funny, because you can tell that Anderson Cooper was a little annoyed that Jones, despite his best efforts, appeared to be attacking the media for blowing the story up.

"The media should definitely be focused on this, but progressives shouldn't."

Then what's the point Van? What the point? Should progressives ignore the media? The same media made up of progressives, who are feeding other progressives this story? Are you saying that the progressive Liberal media are somehow not pushing the real issues that real progressives should be concerned with? Is the Liberal progressive media doing the progressive public a disservice by focusing on Russia so much? What are you really saying here, Van?

Squirm motherfucker, squirm. LOL.
 
When the hell did everyone start saying "nothingburger" anyway? I swear I never heard this term until just recently and now it gets used all the damn time.
 
When the hell did everyone start saying "nothingburger" anyway? I swear I never heard this term until just recently and now it gets used all the damn time.

Likewise. I heard it a ton after Rachel Maddow said she had Trump's tax returns, and now it comes up all the time
 
WOW!!!

Just like our current President!


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You got nothing.

Have fun watching your team lose again.
 
And I was proven right.
You were incontrovertibly proven wrong. You guys denied that Russia was responsible. You denied that Trump's administration had any advanced knowledge of it.

You can't rewrite history.
 
what a fucking bizarre explanation



Puppet Theater
And then this thread holds the great debate about said Puppet Theater, who are hoping and praying that the FBI investigation is able to bring up at least some money changing hands between the Trump team and Russia so they can hopefully swing some of those Reagan voters (antiquated term, I know) to either vote against Trump in 2020 or stay home.

And yet it pretty much remains true that the only people outraged that any Russian involvement are people that are on the blue team. The right-wing doesn't care at all. The center, the bystanders, we're just happy that Be It Chinese, Russian or South African hackers whoever the fuck did it, thank God they exposed to the General Public that the Democratic Party is anti-democracy and squashed their populist movement.

That is what kept your young voters home and made them jaded. If the youth vote would have turned out like they would have for a Bernie Sanders I'm pretty sure we would be elbow deep in the process of getting rid of all that stupid free speech that everyone hates so much.

Good God and if Donald Trump keeps tweeting mean stuff, people are going to hate Free Speech more than ever come 2020.

Good thing we already saved it with the Supreme Court. Now I can relax and just sit back and watch the left and the right engage in this tickle fight over who out corrupted the other to steal the fucking presidency and somehow at the same time claim moral High Ground because one side has God on their side, and the other side is nice enough to want to donate all of their money to the government to take care of everyone that is too "unfortunate" to work hard.

Makes me giggle
 
Pardon me for the length of this post, and some of the irregularity as it's been done on my phone.

For anyone that's like me, not dug in with a political party, not totally against a political party, but yet just a dude that was born and lives in America that has his own thoughts, his own views, his own ideas that are far too nuanced to be able to categorize within some neat and tidy package that could lean from one side to the other.

I'm just a dude that works really hard, pays his taxes, and sits on the sidelines and watches intently As the World Turns. I take it as a privilege that we have the technology in the means to be able to follow what is going on in the world, and having been privileged enough to travel to different countries in the past, view on politics and Society in general is now even more nuanced and worldly, combine that with the fact that I love history and what you get is a guy that pays attention to all of it, all over the world.

Badly worded, horrible structured paragraph, but all is leading to my point...

Anyone that was watching the 2016 presidential election last year that did not notice the shift in the media approximately a week or so after both nominations were locked up to an extreme bias against Donald Trump has their head in the sand.

And it never stopped. Maybe it's hard to say someone's head was in the sand when not everyone had the opportunity to watch the networks, and keep their finger on the pulse of the media as the election went on. I mean, I was working 70 hours a week all last summer, and I found time, but that is something I make a priority particularly on an election year.

When I saw the shift occur initially, I told everyone that I knew, everyone who would talk politics with me that Donald Trump for sure was going to lose. That the fix was in. That the media had clearly chosen who they would like to win, which was unprecedented. Everyone threw away all of their integrity, at least those that had any left, and it still didn't work. I'm not a Donald Trump cheerleader by any means, but I was proud of my country on Election Day when we bucked the media and voted for change once again. (once again we won't get it, but we keep voting for it which is good)

But anyway, to know that there are people out there, in June of 2017 almost an entire year after the machine finally took Trump seriously and engaged against him, that could possibly deny the media bias.

And I'm not saying that the Russia thing is bullshit, I don't know. Maybe there is something there that I'm not seeing, maybe there's some kind of Smoking Gun that will be revealed at the end of the FBI investigation that will blow my socks off.

But all the media has got right now, is what we got already, which is what we were told Last Summer before we even voted, which is that Russia was trying to get involved in our election by pumping out a bunch of anti Hillary Clinton propaganda to combat the Clinton machine, and the media.

I don't know what business they have doing that, but if you're telling me but Donald Trump is an illegitimate president because of dude that was hired by Russia wrote a fake article about Hillary Clinton and tricked various people into voting for Donald Trump as a result, and get the fuck out of my face with it.

Oh the Russians hacked the DNC to show the overall populace that the left-wing populist movement was squashed by the party itself, in a move that can only be described in my opinion as Anti-Democratic? Fucking woe is me.

The Russians did us a favor. If George Soros is that butt hurt, maybe he needs to hire some hackers to get into Donald Trump's shit and try to find something that could be possibly worse than grab them by the pussy.

Oh wait, he doesn't need to hire hackers. He has the American Media thumping on Donald Trump from every direction every single minute of the day.

Let me State this again. I'm not a Donald Trump fan, on the face of it, it's an embarrassment for our country that the best candidates we could come up with were reality TV host and a corrupt, tabloid fodder typical politician that has been plugged into positions of power since her husband was elected president in 1992.... I am proud of my country for what happened on Election Day. I would be more proud if he had earned the popular vote, but by winning he showed that Americans will not be swindled so easily by the media anymore, we've been burned too many times. You can thank the 2003 beating of the war Drums by the media, and their lack of Integrity that was no longer a secret since then. At best, America showed that they noticed this, and that they are smarter than that, at worst reince priebus and everyone at the RNC have unmatched ability in the politics game and set up the chessboard just right to allow such and impossible victory to happen. Probably a little bit of both.


It's a losing battle though. The coastal States will continue to fill up with new immigrants, the new age immigrant, coming in search of the new American freedom.

The old immigrants came to America in search of the old American Freedom, when freedom was tied to the word opportunity. Rather than the new American Freedom, where freedom is tied to the word entitlement.

If there is anything that the left has learned over the course of history is that when the population swells, and there are enough Have Nots around, it's irresistible to vote for free stuff, for safety nets.. something that they would never find back home, in the real world.

So to me, all this is is the left, the alt left, let's call it the Deep left, are pulling out all the stops in order to slow down this swing to the right that America took by taking a page out of the right Wings book and attacking the legitimacy of the president. Well, the taking more than a page, I think they're using the entire book that the right-wing used. Donald Trump becoming synonymous with Russia in the same way that Obama's name became synonymous with Obamacare.

It's brilliant. It's fun to see how it is going down in real terms while everyone else is caught up in the fluff and the Tabloid aspect of it, thinking that even if they find that Russia was favoring Trump, funding him, whatever, that it will make any difference in the long run period because that's just Donald Trump. Whatever comes after Trump is going to be even worse for you. America was pissed off in 2008 and voted for change, change won and somehow we still didn't get change. So then we were really really angry by the time 2016 rolled around, and we voted for change in the form of a hand grenade, to throw at the White House and shake shit up... so brace yourself for 2024 when once again we have not received the change we seek. We threw a hand grenade in the White House in 2016, imagine what we will do in 2024.

The left are grasping at straws like crazy. What infuriates me the most is that there are very smart people on this board and elsewhere that are buying it. These are people that buy in to the best qualities of the left wing. Sure, there's a few people that go into some of the extreme views, and those are the people that I try to examine, see where they are coming from and change my opinion on them accordingly.

But in my post before this I spelled it all out. It boggles my fucking mind that there are people that are buying this Russian thing Full Tilt and doing it while at the same time not being intellectually honest enough with either themselves or the rest of us do not admit that this is simply a hype train they have jumped on because they don't like Donald Trump, they don't let the Republican party, they don't like the results of the 2016 election. They won't admit that they would do anything, and believe whatever they need to, to reverse the 2016 election or at least undermined its integrity to the point of it being lame duck.

Some of it I understand. I'm not the biggest fan of the Republican Party either. Not the biggest fan of everything they have done, or tried to do so far this year, but at age 30 I feel like I've been around long enough to understand that the end of the world is not going to come as a result of the Republicans making their moves doing a time period Where they are the victors, because I know that the pendulum will swing the other way eventually and then it will swing back.

But the Power Players that are behind the left wing, let's call them the Deep left, the insanely wealthy and Powerful players that are behind the movement that is powered by issues like gay rights, legal citizenship for everyone, equal pay for women, transgender rights, and a bunch of other shit that the populace cares about but the people we are discussing do not. It's all about power, a party grabs onto an issue and runs with it because they understand there are people out there that will go to the voting booth for that issue. It's really no more complicated than that, and I realize you probably know this comma but I'm setting up my point...

The Deep left is freaking out right now because they were almost assured of victory in 2016, and with having such a bought and paid for person in the Oval Office, combined with the momentum of having office for what would then be 12 years straight, I'm sure they had plans to make some major changes to society, to the world.

I'm not sure what they had planned, but it must not have been good for Russia. I'm guessing that's why Russia through their two cents in and helped swing an election that maybe would have swung anyway due to the underestimated misogyny in this country, along with the underlying thirst for change that our populace has been wanting for a long time.

And all the Deep left can do to fight back is continue to bury the president with the media that they own, and undermine the confidence that their followers have in the president himself so that hopefully they get another shot in 2022 get their guy or girl in.

Now, I'm not under estimating all of the social issues that go into this and saying that they do not matter at all, there are plenty of people better fighting their ass off to turn this around because of the Supreme Court openings coming up and all of that... but I reached my conclusions and really put things together when I saw it for myself the media turned on Trump after he won nomination, when they realized that he was not just a giant ratings boost and a joke candidate for Clinton to merk. As it turned out, Clinton was going to need the media's help.

Here's what I would really like to know: what was going to happen to Russia if Clinton won? Nevermind transgender bathrooms and black lives matter, what did or do the people that actually fund the left, the actual power players in the Deep left want to happen in the world?

Was it going to be war in Syria? Where we going to stay the course in invading all the countries that won't play ball with the central bank?

Because to me that's the real news, and you'll never see or hear a peep of that in the news. Unfortunately you have to read in between the lines, have a good understanding of History, and even then I'm still a bit Clueless as to what the big prize is.

But anyway, I should probably back out of here and let everyone continue debating over the Tabloid fodder, the proxy battle.
These don't line up.
This adds up. Russia did the "the right" a favor...if you're someone who values foreign electioneering over national security.

At least this guy is being honest and laying it out. He doesn't mind that Russia hacked our servers (which included Republican servers, btw, as the CIA/NSA/FBI have all now told us...they just didn't launder and release those troves). He isn't concerned about the foreign threat.

Like Trump.
 
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