USADA exposed for allowing athletes to cheat in secret.

[nonoob]

Mannn, they'd better not let Dana find out.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Olympic pool sized levels*

U.S. Track and Field levels*

 

[TrueBias]

Just let everybody use whatever they want. Better fights, better training, better recovery, ability to fight more often, everything is better except some pussies who cry "this is not fair!!"

Agreed 100%

Never have given a shit about it as a spectator if it enhances the product.

Also, if I got into a fight myself and lose, how much pride would I have left over if I cried about losing a street fight cuz some asshole was juicing? Never happens.

 

[pick999]

wise man once said everyones on steroids

 

[markg171]

If you remain in the testing pool then you don;t have to wait 6 months.

UFC 189 drug tests come back clean, bizarre Jose Aldo incident detailed

A total of seven fighters were drug tested in connection with this past month’s UFC 189. All passed, although there were complications – already well-publicized but perhaps even more bizarre …

mmajunkie.usatoday.com

Drug free sport were contracted to do the testing which is interesting.

Those are two completely different things.

Aldo should’ve repeatedly failed for all the issues collecting his sample in the above against McGregor

AND

Should’ve also required 6 months of testing before returning against Martinez as a retired athlete instead of returning after 3 months with no TUE being publicly granted.

As to it being DFS back then, yes it is interesting how they were doggedly, but yes lackadaisical, in trying to get Aldo. They should’ve never given him 3 days to sample and failed him on the first night, or control to Brazil afterwards, but they definitely showed they’re not quite the pushovers people thought they were when were replaced over USADA. They stuck to trying to get some test out of him instead of just going home

 

[Epsteins Guard]

Ready to drop some of holier than thou attitude regarding organised doping, my American friends?

but but but Russia

 

[maximus__]

Those are two completely different things.

Aldo should’ve repeatedly failed for all the issues collecting his sample in the above against McGregor

AND

Should’ve also required 6 months of testing before returning against Martinez as a retired athlete instead of returning after 3 months with no TUE being publicly granted.

As to it being DFS back then, yes it is interesting how they were doggedly, but yes lackadaisical, in trying to get Aldo. They should’ve never given him 3 days to sample and failed him on the first night, or control to Brazil afterwards, but they definitely showed they’re not quite the pushovers people thought they were when were replaced over USADA. They stuck to trying to get some test out of him instead of just going home

100 percent I agree it should have been some sort of sanction, but USADA screwed up by contracting a random outside agency to do their job(who now holds the contract for the UFC). I would be a little cautious aswell in giving my urine to some random guy from another agency.

It sounds to me like DFS (and USADA) were as much at fault as Aldo was in all this. Sure there are some shady things happening, but somehow they lost Aldo's sample in the whole thing. I am not naive enough to think some stuff doesn't go on with local commissions and this thread shows USADA was allowing athletes to cheat to catch other cheaters.

Athletes can retire and come back with no issues provided they remain in the testing pool. It's on USADA or now DFS to continue testing them during that period. If he exited the pool, I agree, but my guess is he fought as USADA were on the way out and they clearly stopped giving a shit at the end there.

Edit: I am also a qualified drug tester in a previous job. I tested people in workplaces for illicit and Illegal drugs, so understand how samples are taken in a non sport system. Sports are more onerous.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Nah. The only guy they caught (to make it look like they are doing something) was 40 year old Walt Harris who was on a losing streak, and was on the cusp of retiring anyway. 4 year ban for a dude who was likely already hanging em up. Great job.

None of the stars or big names will ever pop for anything.

*Unless they are having a beef with Dana.

 

[markg171]

100 percent I agree it should have been some sort of sanction, but USADA screwed up by contracting a random outside agency to do their job(who now holds the contract for the UFC). I would be a little cautious aswell in giving my urine to some random guy from another agency.

It sounds to me like DFS (and USADA) were as much at fault as Aldo was in all this. Sure there are some shady things happening, but somehow they lost Aldo's sample in the whole thing. I am not naive enough to think some stuff doesn't go on with local commissions and this thread shows USADA was allowing athletes to cheat to catch other cheaters.

Athletes can retire and come back with no issues provided they remain in the testing pool. It's on USADA or now DFS to continue testing them during that period. If he exited the pool, I agree, but my guess is he fought as USADA were on the way out and they clearly stopped giving a shit at the end there.

Edit: I am also a qualified drug tester in a previous job. I tested people in workplaces for illicit and Illegal drugs, so understand how samples are taken in a non sport system. Sports are more onerous.

Aldo retired and was pulled from the rankings as appropriate for a no longer active athlete as that’s what’s required to maintain them, same as testing requirements if you notify you’re no longer active. His testing shows he was no longer tested afterwards too. It was definitely a real retirement.

It definitely should’ve been pursued further when he suddenly unretired and fought a few months later as plenty pointed out that’s impossible, but no major reporters wanted to pursue it or ask Dana at a press conference.

It is rather curious that after looking so amazing as a returning athlete that 6 months later, aka after a proper amount of time in the pool, he did look much more like his age in his 2nd bout.

 

[Thesnake101]

Lmao, I remembered that one guy who was constantly riding Novitzky's dick on the forums for years on end acting like he was this incorruptible figure, no shit all these dudes were willing to be corrupt. Way too much money on the line.

 

[djacobox372]

Ever notice that fighters are always caught doping AFTER the fight. If it was really about protecting fighters they'd test them the week before the fight.

I guess cancelled events are worse than getting beaten into a wheelchair by some roided out cheater.

 

[maximus__]

Aldo retired and was pulled from the rankings as appropriate for a no longer active athlete as that’s what’s required to maintain them, same as testing requirements if you notify you’re no longer active. His testing shows he was no longer tested afterwards too. It was definitely a real retirement.

It definitely should’ve been pursued further when he suddenly unretired and fought a few months later as plenty pointed out that’s impossible, but no major reporters wanted to pursue it or ask Dana at a press conference.

It is rather curious that after looking so amazing as a returning athlete that 6 months later, aka after a proper amount of time in the pool, he did look much more like his age in his 2nd bout.

Yeah I can't find any record of them testing him. I know under USADA non active fighters were getting tested for years after. Travis Browne was only removed from the testing pool in the last couple years.

UFC officially releases Travis Browne from his contract, despite not fighting since 2017 | BJPenn.com

Travis Browne is officially no longer a UFC fighter, as he has been released from the promotion, according to reports.

www.bjpenn.com

It seems UFC has the ability to waive it under the new contract with DFS. Same agency that screwed up his other testing.

Aldo looked amazing because he fought Johnathan Martinez, a guy who isn;t even close to his level. Aldo was brought in to give an exciting striker on a 6 fight win streak a fight that matches well with his style. The card was also in Brazil so win/win for the UFC.

Aldo didn't look bad vs Bautiusta, he got wall and stalled and should of won under the scoring criteria. Sure it's part of the sport but you must land offence to keep the position. Bautista spent most of the fight getting picked apart or in the clinch and only landed 5 strikes from his supposed controlling position. It wasn't due to drug testing, he just got held against a cage in a fizzer of a fight.

 

[Iroh]

Just let everybody use whatever they want. Better fights, better training, better recovery, ability to fight more often, everything is better except some pussies who cry "this is not fair!!"

Except fighters will mess up their body chemistry and have all kinds of ailments stemming from their abuse.

These things come with extreme side effects. Thinking everything will just be better is extremely naive.

 

[Dionysian]

The Jones debacle completely exposed them. Pictos for days.

The mental gymnastics around those times was Olympic level.

Fun fact: a handful of posters accounted for nearly 100% of USADA-defense posting in the years that UFC employed them. Complete with copying and pasting the same UFC-sponsored PR defense articles over and over

Fun fact #2: all the above posters ceased talking about USADA as soon as UFC publicly parted ways with them

The absurd lengths a small group of people went to protect outright corruption under shit USADA, only to then do 180s as soon as USADA wasn't with the UFC, was one of the easiest "spot a corporate PR poster" exercises in Sherdog history. Close second since then was the utterly shameless coordinated online character assassination of rape victims of Conor. Truly disgusting people.

EDIT: I take it back markg171 is still making these disgusting UFC-defense posts years after USADA is gone, speaking of corporate PR posters.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

And the fact that the ufc went to a less stringent testing method says it all.

 

[Cartiac]

That's pretty f'n rich coming from WADA, but not surprising at all. The organization that proudly declared they had definitive proof Russia was conducting state sponsored doping of their Olympic athletes.

Then to show how seriously they take their anti-doping duties, proudly welcomed the country of "ROC" to compete in the Olympics for the first time who's athletes were remarkably identical to those doped up athletes from the banned country of Russia. They don't give a single fck about even trying to hide their complete corruption.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

U.S. Track and Field levels*

RIP

 

[Cartiac]

The Jones debacle completely exposed them. Pictos for days.

The mental gymnastics around those times was Olympic level.

In reality the how tbol picograms thing had very little to do with UFC and Jon Jones.

It was MLB catcher Tres Barrera that blew them up using Dr Daniel "Quack" Eichner's own conflicting statements about detection times and "pulsing" nonsense to show he is full of shit and that junk science he spouted was used by agencies including USADA as the basis to make definitive claims and actions that caused very serious damages to people's lives.

 

[CrackedRib]

You had to be a special kind of stupid to believe USADA wasn't and isn't rotten to the core, just like USOC was with their organizational level of doping as a so called anti-doping agency.

But there's always a few people that will fall for corrupt like "I'm talking about picograms, but when pressed by Rogan I'm not a scientist"-Novitzky or "I will now implement this totally bogus theory I have that hasn't ever been peer reviewed or tested, because I'm a totally trustworthy sCIenTisT"-Eichner.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

makes you wonder what the point of USADA even was. just so they could appear like a real sport so they can sell to Endeavor? because USADA was put into place a year before Endeavor bought UFC.