International US Set to Lose Billions as Foreign Tourists Stay Away

I wouldn't expect you to do a 180, but I think it's realistic now to start expecting right wing/GOP/Republicans types to start dropping Trump on his ass.

He's pathetic.
Thing is, I voted for Obama Twice. He actively said he was removing illegal aliens, which is why i voted for him the second term. Biden was letting them in, and is why i voted for Trump.
I voted for Biden in 2020 btw. Look up my posts if you dont believe me.
 
Thing is, I voted for Obama Twice. He actively said he was removing illegal aliens, which is why i voted for him the second term. Biden was letting them in, and is why i voted for Trump.

He absolutely was. In fact, none other than Tom Homan was Obama's primary enforcer on that front and received a Presidential Rank award for it.
 
Thing is, I voted for Obama Twice. He actively said he was removing illegal aliens, which is why i voted for him the second term. Biden was letting them in, and is why i voted for Trump.

Fair enough, but just know when that clown is saying "no big deal" to America losing billions of dollars, it's okay to call him out on it. It's acceptable to get sick of his shit even if he's doing something you approve of elsewhere.

It's too easy to get stuck defending whoever you voted for.

I voted for Labour and I'm already sick of Keir Starmer. It doesn't mean I wish I'd voted Conservative, it just means I'm not bothered about telling him to suck a dick for sacking so many people and depleting support for the nation's most vulnerable.

I want Labour to oust this douche and put forward a real candidate next time.
 
Fair enough, but just know when that clown is saying "no big deal" to America losing billions of dollars, it's okay to call him out on it. It's acceptable to get sick of his shit even if he's doing something you approve of elsewhere.

It's too easy to get stuck defending whoever you voted for.

I voted for Labour and I'm already sick of Keir Starmer. It doesn't mean I wish I'd voted Conservative, it just means I'm not bothered about telling him to suck a dick for sacking so many people and depleting support for the nation's most vulnerable.

I want Labour to oust this douche and put forward a real candidate next time.
If im being honest, i never liked Trump. I voted for Hilary just based on the fact that he was a TV personality that took pride in firing people and grabbing women by the pussy. But now, I just like how he is getting rid of illegal aliens and getting rid of this nonsense woke DEI bullshit. Not to mention all the wasteful spending with DOGE.

That said, your probably not going to change my mind because Democrats are dead set on these things that i do not agree on.
 
Fair enough, but just know when that clown is saying "no big deal" to America losing billions of dollars, it's okay to call him out on it. It's acceptable to get sick of his shit even if he's doing something you approve of elsewhere

The economic incompetence is really fucking bad, but the autocratic impulses and disregard for the Constitution is grave. As much credit as I was willing to give him for sealing the border (and he really has done that), they lost me when the first "ASMR" deportation from the official White House X account dropped. Just depraved, and that was even before he invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 and all the due process violations started piling up.
 
The economic incompetence is really fucking bad, but the autocratic impulses and disregard for the Constitution is grave. As much credit as I was willing to give him for sealing the border (and he really has done that), they lost me when the first "ASMR" deportation from the official White House X account dropped. Just depraved, and that was even before he invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 and all the due process violations started piling up.

"White House Media by Sycophants" is the worst look I have ever seen in politics, at least in my life time.

It's truly embarrassing the shit the official channels now post.

Pure disgrace.
 
I make a ton of posts on the 2A but not really that many about border security, and was relatively silent during the entire Biden Admin about what was going on. Yes, I was referring to the entire country. Navajo Nation is huge and actually pretty lit in terms of what they control, but that's more of an exception to the rule. I can only imagine the natural wonderland America was before Europeans waged wanton destruction on the continent in the name of 'civilization' for the sake of 'prosperity'. But they did, and now it is the most economically and militarily powerful geopolitical entity on earth. Those things are what make it "great" for a lot of people, but they aren't at the top for me. Thankfully, the West still exists, but the threat has never been larger in modern history. So, close to 100% of all my political energy is now focused on the protection and preservation of it.

Don't get me wrong, I do not believe in absolutes and certainly can appreciate that history is often viewed through rose tinted glasses.

What I'm alluding to is the fact that I actually can appreciate the modern conveniences, the improvements to health, living standards, science, etc., that this country shaped in to - which by and large was mostly due to those same Europeans we have been talking about.

I wish more people did appreciate the beauty and natural wonder of North America. It's certainly worthy of all of our preservation.
 
The economic incompetence is really fucking bad, but the autocratic impulses and disregard for the Constitution is grave. As much credit as I was willing to give him for sealing the border (and he really has done that), they lost me when the first "ASMR" deportation from the official White House X account dropped. Just depraved, and that was even before he invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 and all the due process violations started piling up.

Maybe it's just the language you use, but when I accused you of 'kicking down the ladder', the above bolded phrasing and praise of such is exactly why I was led to make those assumptions about you.

Furthermore, I would argue that attributing "sealed borders" to Trump, is precisely why there were huge numbers of migrants trying to get through when Biden was president.

The right-wing messaging apparatus, which as "news" is not simply contained to the US. Such absolutely dwarfs liberal "news" to the tune of being more predominant than all other news variants added together, which is read and heard worldwide.

And that messaging was repeated multiple times per day, over and over and over again for more than 4 years, that Biden was actively pursuing, and, once he became President, had instilled a policy of "open borders". You still hear this to this day right on these forums. As you yourself have proven, it's been centuries since the US has had "open borders".

Biden, nor any other recent Democrat or Republican, have employed "open borders". That is absolutely ridiculous propaganda.

But guess what some guy from South America who gets news from America, thinks, when he hears "Biden has opened the borders"? Do you think they are listening to obscure, nuanced positions that tell them the borders are not actually open? No, they hear what was repeated daily by every right wing newscaster, blogger, Youtuber, Sherdogger, etc., that Biden would either institute policies of an "open border", or that under President Biden we now had "open borders".

People who want to say "ya sure, they were listening to right wing news", well guess what, if you were tune in to an American source for news in a different country, the chances that it would be of the right wing flavor, considering how prevalent it is, would be extremely high.

Maybe you can blame Biden for not being more clear and direct that the borders weren't "open", but quite frankly I don't think it would've mattered - not up against the absolute monolith of a propaganda machine that is right wing "entertainment". As stated, there are still people on this forum who still cite "open borders" when criticizing liberals.

The borders under Biden were absolutely not "open", nor could people just walk through. Border Patrol staff was not reduced, fences were not torn down, none of that happened. And people from other countries fell pray to the propaganda just like half of this country did.
 
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Maybe it's just the language you use, but when I accused you of 'kicking down the ladder', the above bolded phrasing and praise of such is exactly why I was led to make those assumptions about you.

Furthermore, I would argue that attributing "sealed borders" to Trump, is precisely why there were huge numbers of migrants trying to get through when Biden was president.

The right-wing messaging apparatus, which as "news", is not simply contained to the US. Given such absolutely dwarfs liberal "news" to the tune of being more predominant than all other news variants added together, is read and heard worldwide.

And that messaging was repeated multiple times per day, over and over and over again for more than 4 years, that Biden was actively pursuing, and, once he became President, had instilled a policy of "open borders". You still hear to this day right on these forums. As you yourself have proven, it's been centuries since the US has had "open borders".

Biden, nor any other Democrat or Republican, have employed "open borders". That is absolutely ridiculous propaganda.

But guess what some guy from South America who gets news from America, thinks, when he hears "Biden has opened the borders"? Do you think they are listening to obscure, nuanced positions that tell them the borders are not actually open and they are all going anyways? No, they hear what was repeated daily by every right wing newscaster, blogger, Youtuber, Sherdogger, etc., that Biden would either institute policies of an "open border", or that under President Biden we now had "open borders".

Maybe you can blame Biden for not being more clear and direct that the borders weren't "open", but quite frankly I don't think it would've mattered - not up against the absolute monolith of a propaganda machine that is right wing "entertainment". As stated, there are still people on this forum who still cite "open borders" when criticizing liberals.

The borders under Biden were absolutely not "open", nor could people just walk through. Border Patrol staff was not reduced, fences were not torn down, none of that happened. And people from other countries fell pray to the propaganda just like half of this country did.

I wish that were true, buddy. I live here, though. I genuinely hope the Democrats change course on the issue and at least revert to Obama era policy when 2028 rolls around. That is all.
 

Canadians put off by Trump’s bluster and border arrests are booking far fewer US visits​


BY ROB GILLIES AND JIM MORRIS
Updated 2:50 PM BRT, April 25, 2025
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VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) — Diana and Rick Bellamy initially planned to take a Caribbean cruise out of Houston before heading to Laurel, Mississippi, to visit the home of one of their favorite HGTV shows, “Home Town.”

The Calgary couple scrapped those plans and vacationed last month along Mexico’s Pacific coast instead, put off by U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade war with Canada, the insults he’s hurled at their homeland, and stories about American border agents searching people’s phones and detaining foreigners for minor reasons.

She found it ironic that she felt more comfortable traveling to Mexico than the U.S.
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“I never thought I would hear myself say that,” Diane Bellamy said.

Trump’s attacks on Canada’s economy and threats to make it the 51st state have infuriated Canadians, who are canceling trips to the U.S. in big numbers. They also seem to have also flipped the narrative heading into Canada’s parliamentary elections on Monday, with Prime Minister Mark Carney’s Liberal Party surging after trailing far behind in the polls just a few months ago.

A steep decline

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The U.S. gets more visitors from Canada each year than from any other country, according to the U.S. Travel Association, an industry trade group, which said the 20.4 million visits from Canada last year generated $20.5 billion in spending.

But there has been a big drop in foreigners traveling to the U.S. since Trump took office, and Canadians are no exception. There were more than 910,000 fewer land border crossings from Canada into the U.S. last month than in March of 2024 — a more than 22% drop — according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data. An Air Canada spokesman, meanwhile, said Canada-U.S. flight bookings for April through September are down about 10%.

Trump brushed aside the decline in tourism to the United States on Wednesday, saying, “There’s a little nationalism there I guess, perhaps. It’s not a big deal.”
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Traveler worries

Since Trump started his second term, there have been well-publicized reports of tourists being stopped at U.S. border crossings and held for weeks at immigration detention facilities before being allowed to fly home at their own expense.

On March 3, Canadian Jasmine Mooney, an actor and entrepreneur on a U.S. work visa, was detained by U.S. border agents in San Diego. She was released after 12 days detention.

Before Mooney’s release, British Columbia Premier David Eby expressed concern, saying: “It certainly reinforces anxiety that ... many Canadians have about our relationship with the U.S. right now, and the unpredictability of this administration and its actions.”

The Canadian Association of University Teachers, which represents faculty and staff at Canadian universities, warned its members against nonessential travel to the U.S. due to the “political landscape” under Trump and reports of Canadians encountering
difficulties crossing the border.
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Academics who have expressed negative views about the Trump administration should be particularly cautious about traveling to the U.S., said the group.

“People are scared to cross the border. I don’t know what Americans are thinking, quite frankly. Are they that oblivious?” said former Quebec Premier Jean Charest, who has family in Florida.

Mike Sauer, who runs a community policing center in Vancouver, said he and his partner have no interest in traveling to the U.S. now because of Trump’s politics and border fears. One of Sauer’s concerns is that if a border guard were to check his cellphone, the guard might see his past purchases of marijuana, which is legal to buy in Canada and about half the 50 states but is still illegal under U.S. federal law.
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“The States have a different view on drugs. They could certainly look at my phone and see I’m 420-friendly,” he said, meaning he’s marijuana-friendly. “I think it kind of depends on which border guard would have a problem with that and which ones wouldn’t.”

Dietra Wilson, 32, said when she was younger, she often visited Detroit, which is just across the border from Windsor, Ontario, where she and her husband, Ben, own a secondhand shop. She hasn’t visited much in recent years, though, and she said she’s heard of people’s worries about crossing the border since Trump moved back into the White House.

“It’s worrisome,” she said.

Ben Wilson, 37, also has qualms about trying to cross.

“Why would I want to?” he said. “Regardless of the tariffs, if I’m going to be stopped at the border for my phone or something somebody texted me, why go?”

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Industry worries

The drop in Canadian tourism to the U.S. led California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a frequent target of Trump, to announce an ad campaign this month meant to lure Canadians back to his state, citing a 12% year-on-year drop in February.


McKenzie McMillan, a consultant with a Vancouver-based travel agency, The Travel Group, said the company’s bookings to the U.S. have dried up. “We have seen a near-total collapse of U.S. business,” he said. “Probably about a 90% drop since February.”

Lesley Keyter, the CEO and founder of the Travel Lady agency in Calgary, said she’s seen people actually forfeit money to cancel their U.S. trips.

“Even if they’re going on a Caribbean cruise, they don’t want to go down to Fort Lauderdale to get on the cruise ship,”
she said.

https://apnews.com/article/canadians-trump-us-tourism-81fe117b5691c8d6afb0ce8e587ccd47
 
They're teenage girls that just graduated High School. It's not like they had some "master plan".
Are we doing "precrime" now as in Minority Report? That's not any shade of America that anyone but a cultist would respect.
They had no idea that you can't work while on a tourist visa. They were oblivious to this since they were young and ignorant. Either way.... thats why they got booted out.
 
They had no idea that you can't work while on a tourist visa. They were oblivious to this since they were young and ignorant. Either way.... thats why they got booted out.

Yeah, they weren't working, they were touring. You've never heard of a hostel?


During my time in Germany (where those girls are from), it's not uncommon to see people from around the globe, check into a hostel (with no plan) but to just explore and adventure. If you stop at a filling station on the Autobahn, you'll often see very pretty ladies who are hitch-hiking. You'll give them a ride to the next city/town/village (no sex) and it's all good. It's a different world there.
 
Yeah, they weren't working, they were touring. You've never heard of a hostel?


During my time in Germany (where those girls are from), it's not uncommon to see people from around the globe, check into a hostel (with no plan) but to just explore and adventure. If you stop at a filling station on the Autobahn, you'll often see very pretty ladies who are hitch-hiking. You'll give them a ride to the next city/town/village (no sex) and it's all good. It's a different world there.
It came out that their stories didn't match up. THAT... is ALSO what screwed them.

I was stationed in Germany from 2010 - 2012. Deployed to Mannheim, Hohenfels and Kaiserslautern for Operation Atlantic Resolve a few times during 2014 to 2016. Vacationed a few times there from 2013 to 2020. Also,
yeah I stayed in many hostels all over Germany. Frankfurt, Mannheim and Heidelberg.

That's Germany. These girls had the wrong answers and I think one of them tried to say she didn't work in the last country they were in and while the other one said differently.
 
I wish that were true, buddy. I live here, though. I genuinely hope the Democrats change course on the issue and at least revert to Obama era policy when 2028 rolls around. That is all.

I live here too. And I bet I live in a city closer to the border, and with more border activity with Mexico, than you do.

Does that cancel your argument out?

It doesn't matter to me whether you vote for the Democrats or not. I am not one.
 
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Apparently these two got separated during questioning. One of them admitted to them both working in Costa Rica prior to arriving. Had no place reserved to stay etc etc. Just too many red flags to ignore.
Not working but maybe had worked.

There isn't reason for germans to work awerage jobs in Costa Rica cos benefits in Germany will be more....

Exception might be business type " jobs " or these work and these short travel type jobs...

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Maybe they assumed that it will be like local tourism for german youth in germany...like you travel and lurk for next and next cheapest option : cheapest current hotel, hostel etc...type.


Serious job in U.S they can't get without papers...
Address, etc stuff.
And bank in order to register and open account will ask proof of address etc. ( Landlords are you know without long bla bla bla texts ¿).Plus to fill surveys blanks in person etc. For bank for example.


Employer too will ask address... declared correspondence address etc stuff.
Ofc passport and ID too.
Like in Germany, approx like this.

Plus stuff with insurances.

If you are someone 18 y.o - 19 y.o from Germany with just HS and probably gap year..if not enough $ , better to stay in Germany... enroll somewhwere etc...
 
It came out that their stories didn't match up. THAT... is ALSO what screwed them.

I was stationed in Germany from 2010 - 2012. Deployed to Mannheim, Hohenfels and Kaiserslautern for Operation Atlantic Resolve a few times during 2014 to 2016. Vacationed a few times there from 2013 to 2020. Also,
yeah I stayed in many hostels all over Germany. Frankfurt, Mannheim and Heidelberg.

That's Germany. These girls had the wrong answers and I think one of them tried to say she didn't work in the last country they were in and while the other one said differently.

You mean to tell me that because the stories of two teenage children (who are citizens of an allied Nation) didn't match up letter for letter, they should be refused entry into the U.S.?


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Trump's obscene paranoia has made the "Greatest Nation in The World" a laughingstock.

So much for strength.
 
Probably not a serious degree but timing wasn't on their side. Immigration checks aren't as lenient as they were a couple years ago.
You’ve touched on the thing people are trying to say- this was innocent and didn’t need to happen.
 

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