International US Set to Lose Billions as Foreign Tourists Stay Away

[helltoupee]

Harsh?

You're constantly vomiting up nonsense about things I put real-life energy, money, and time into. It is dishonest, immoral, and sick. You continue to do it even after we have been through this multiple times: I'm not a conservative and I have never voted for the GOP nevermind Trump; even posters who have serious policy disagreements (i.e., @BFoe on 2A rights and gun control, @Islam Imamate on border security and immigration) recognize this. What's more, I'm literally on record declaring support for Dems and their sub-25% approval rating in the 2026 midterms despite best efforts from so many of you absolute goofs to put me off with your slanderous drive-by shots. You'd do well to heed the wise words of @helltoupee cause this shit is freakish.

I'm half Sycuan Band of Kumeyaay Indians who raised me in the absence of an Italian father who shot himself after coming back from Vietnam when I was an infant. I was taught to love and appreciate the land just as you do. I just find it oddly hypocritical that somewhere along the line your family immigrated here and indirectly perpetuated the destroying of the beauty that was an integral part of our beliefs, and yet you are so passionate about kicking down the ladder and not allowing others the same opportunity you've been afforded. Of course, with those statements I'm probably going to get all of the might makes right arguments, and in that case anyone who does appreciate our great natural wonders while simultaneously making said arguments can go suck a big fat Trump turd because he's demonstrating might makes right with our lands in this very administration.

Now, I suspect you will make the argument that this is precisely why you are so dedicated to building walls around lines in the sand and property rights, and again, I will remind you that if these same walls kept your family out, you wouldn't be here. And don't give me this "I'm all for legal immigration". Certainly your family, somewhere along the way, did not follow the same wait periods, etc. as that exist now. They probably showed up on Ellis island and came right in. Did you allow all of the migrants at the southern border to just "show up" and come in? There was no "legal" or "illegal" immigration at the time. Whoever showed up simply signed a registry and was allowed access. You want to say "things are different now", yet the entire population of the world could fit in the state of Texas.

We welcomed your kind with open arms. We fed you when you had no food. We taught you how to fish, hunt, and survive in these lands. We gave your family a reprieve from whatever dire situation you were escaping. You were afforded a new life in a new place. And yet you don't want to afford those same opportunities to others, who so desparately seek the same things your family did. It's selfish, hypocritical, and immature.

 

[Deorum]

I'm half Sycuan Band of Kumeyaay Indians who raised me in the absence of an Italian father who shot himself after coming back from Vietnam when I was an infant. I was taught to love and appreciate the land just as you do. I just find it oddly hypocritical that somewhere along the line your family immigrated here and indirectly perpetuated the destroying of the beauty that was an integral part of our beliefs, and yet you are so passionate about kicking down the ladder and not allowing others the same opportunity you've been afforded. Of course, with those statements I'm probably going to get all of the might makes right arguments, and in that case anyone who does appreciate our great natural wonders while simultaneously making said arguments can go suck a big fat Trump turd because he's demonstrating might makes right with our lands in this very administration.

Now, I suspect you will make the argument that this is precisely why you are so dedicated to building walls around lines in the sand and property rights, and again, I will remind you that if these same walls kept your family out, you wouldn't be here. And don't give me this "I'm all for legal immigration". Certainly your family, somewhere along the way, did not follow the same wait periods, etc. as that exist now. They probably showed up on Ellis island and came right in. Did you allow all of the migrants at the southern border to just "show up" and come in? There was no "legal" or "illegal" immigration at the time. Whoever showed up simply signed a registry and was allowed access. You want to say "things are different now", yet the entire population of the world could fit in the state of Texas.

We welcomed your kind with open arms. We fed you when you had no food. We taught you how to fish, hunt, and survive in these lands. We gave your family a reprieve from whatever dire situation you were escaping. You were afforded a new life in a new place. And yet you don't want to afford those same opportunities to others, who so desparately seek the same things your family did. It's selfish, hypocritical, and immature.

What is any of this based on?

My opposition to illegal mass immigration is consistent with what I prioritize. There is a legal process that doesn't pose the same security risks while flouting national sovereignty. I'm pretty sure I've never expressed an opposition to it, and if anything, I'm actually open to streamlining the process. The first immigration law goes back to the Naturalization Act of 1790. You should read it and then cross compare that to the Hart-Cellar Act of 1965, lol. In between, there have been periods of lax (Immigration Act of 1864) and stringent (National Origins Act of 1924) controls.

Thanks for the interesting info on your background, I can see how it informs a lot of your views. I've got cousins who are half-Sioux natives. My family emigrated from Norway, where there is very little in the form of arable land. Trøndelag is an exception to that, and they traded it up for bigger farming opportunity in the Great Plains, where the top soil in red river valley is some of the richest and most fertile to be found on the planet. There is literally no better purpose or utilization for it, but I otherwise 100% agree with the general sentiment about the destruction of indigenous land. So what are we arguing about?

Europeans fucked this place up and course corrected before it was too late. We would have none of it left without the wilderness conservation movement. It's why national parks are considered America's best idea and got exported across the world as every nation rapidly industrialized. It's a magnificent story and worth the continued fight for, that's my point.

 

[helltoupee]

What is any of this based on?

My opposition to illegal mass immigration is consistent with what I prioritize. There is a legal process that doesn't pose the same security risks while flouting national sovereignty. I'm pretty sure I've never expressed an opposition to it, and if anything, I'm actually open to streamlining the process. The first immigration law goes back to the Naturalization Act of 1790. You should read it and then cross compare that to the Hart-Cellar Act of 1965, lol. In between, there have been periods of lax (Immigration Act of 1864) and stringent (National Origins Act of 1924) controls.

Thanks for the interesting info on your background, I can see how it informs a lot of your views. I've got cousins who are half-Sioux natives. My family emigrated from Norway, where there is very little in the form of arable land. Trøndelag is an exception to that, and they traded it up for bigger farming opportunity in the Great Plains, where the top soil in red river valley is some of the richest and most fertile to be found on the planet. There is literally no better purpose or utilization for it, but I otherwise 100% agree with the general sentiment about the destruction of indigenous land. So what are we arguing about?

Indigenous land (if you are referring to reservations) was the entire country, not the worst, most unfertile places that the US government could lump "the Indians" in to.

Maybe I'm wildly wrong, and if I am, I will certainly apologize if that is the case. But you seem, or at least I thought, to make a lot of posts predicated on the 2ndA, and very secure borders. What is one left to conclude, if not a situation where you want to kick down the ladder by being so focused on border security?

Regardless of the "Immigration Law", you cannot tell me that people had to apply for immigration, wait for years on end, and then only for temporary citizenship in the form of a green card. You are telling me that immigrants in the 1700's, 1800's, etc., all were required to abide by the strict, super secure borders that you now desire? The people now calling for "securing our borders" had families that absolutely did not face a tenth of what's required today.

Well, people might say, you can't open the floodgates and just let this country be overrun! Now re-read that sentence again, but this time listen real closely for the irony. This statement is not directed at you, but more at Americans in general.

And maybe I lashed out at you for something that frustrates me about right-wingers (not saying you are a right winger, but you at least agree with them in these two categories) and all of their super secure border hypocrisy. They don't want to offer the same opportunities to others that were provided to them.

And this is why I hate politics and took such a long hiatus from this place. If we met in person I'm sure we would probably get along great - as you are one of the few people I've ever seen really have such an appreciation for this beautiful country we live in - for that I do respect and appreciate you. I promise you I do not walk around all pissed off with a scowl on my face all the time. It's only when I'm here, or pay attention to politics, and for that, I apologize to you a second time, as I know I did this to you before when it had to do with gun rights (a long time ago, not sure if you remember - it's when you were NoDak). I apologized then, and I will do it again. I am not perfect, and need to work on self control when it comes to politics. Unfortunately it's hard not to notice what's been happening lately and I stupidly showed up here, and made a fool out of myself for attacking probably the only person on the forum who actually appreciates most of what I do admire also. I honestly don't care what color or creed you are, if you passionately promote and defend the natural beauty we have, I can only salute and respect you. And I sincerely mean that.

 

[Deorum]

Indigenous land (if you are referring to reservations) was the entire country, not the worst, most unfertile places that the US government could lump "the Indians" in to.

Maybe I'm wildly wrong, and if I am, I will certainly apologize if that is the case. But you seem, or at least I thought, to make a lot of posts predicated on the 2ndA, and very secure borders. What is one left to conclude, if not a situation where you want to kick down the ladder by being so focused on border security?

Regardless of the "Immigration Law", you cannot tell me that people had to apply for immigration, wait for years on end, and then only for temporary citizenship in the form of a green card. You are telling me that immigrants in the 1700's, 1800's, etc., all were required to abide by the strict, super secure borders that you now desire? The people now calling for "securing our borders" had families that absolutely did not face a tenth of what's required today.

Well, people might say, you can't open the floodgates and just let this country be overrun! Now re-read that sentence again, but this time listen real closely for the irony. This statement is not directed at you, but more at Americans in general.

And maybe I lashed out at you for something that frustrates me about right-wingers (not saying you are a right winger, but you at least agree with them in these two categories) and all of their super secure border hypocrisy. They don't want to offer the same opportunities to others that were provided to them.

And this is why I hate politics and took such a long hiatus from this place. If we met in person I'm sure we would probably get along great - as you are one of the few people I've ever seen really have such an appreciation for this beautiful country we live in - for that I do respect and appreciate you. I promise you I do not walk around all pissed off with a scowl on my face all the time. It's only when I'm here, or pay attention to politics, and for that, I apologize to you a second time, as I know I did this to you before when it had to do with gun rights (a long time ago, not sure if you remember - it's when you were NoDak). I apologized then, and I will do it again. I am not perfect, and need to work on self control when it comes to politics. Unfortunately it's hard not to notice what's been happening lately and I stupidly showed up here, and made a fool out of myself for attacking probably the only person on the forum who actually appreciates most of what I do admire also. I honestly don't care what color or creed you are, if you passionately promote and defend the natural beauty we have, I can only salute and respect you. And I sincerely mean that.

I make a ton of posts on the 2A but not really that many about border security, and was relatively silent during the entire Biden Admin about what was going on. Yes, I was referring to the entire country. Navajo Nation is huge and actually pretty lit in terms of what they control, but that's more of an exception to the rule. I can only imagine the natural wonderland America was before Europeans waged wanton destruction on the continent in the name of 'civilization' for the sake of 'prosperity'. But they did, and now it is the most economically and militarily powerful geopolitical entity on earth. Those things are what make it "great" for a lot of people, but they aren't at the top for me. Thankfully, the West still exists, but the threat has never been larger in modern history. So, close to 100% of all my political energy is now focused on the protection and preservation of it.

 

[Deorum]

 

[Siver!]

"No big deal"

- Ricky Trump

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I mean, Most americans don't want fucking tourists. We just don't give a shit about rich assholes catering to tourists.

 

[Siver!]

I mean, Most americans don't want fucking tourists. We just don't give a shit about rich assholes catering to tourists.

You don't hate tourists at all, you just have to pivot that way to defend the King of America.

Now Spain, those fuckers have been protesting tourists for quite some time now.

You can't just jump on the bandwagon because it suits the narrative and because you probably never left the States yourself.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

You don't hate tourists at all, you just have to pivot that way to defend the King of America.

Now Spain, those fuckers have been protesting tourists for quite some time now.

You can't just jump on the bandwagon because it suits the narrative and because you probably never left the States yourself.

Its so cute how you assume how i feel or where ive been.

 

[Siver!]

Its so cute how you assume how i feel or where ive been.

Have you traveled internationally?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Have you traveled internationally?

はい

 

[Siver!]

はい

Really?

When?

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Really?

When?

About 20 years ago. Awesome people. Great food, Arcades were off the chain. Suprisingly, this whole waygu/Kobe craze was not as popular bacjk then as it is now.

 

[Deorum]

You don't hate tourists at all, you just have to pivot that way to defend the King of America.

Now Spain, those fuckers have been protesting tourists for quite some time now.

You can't just jump on the bandwagon because it suits the narrative and because you probably never left the States yourself.

I don't hate tourists (although Chinese nationals in particular leave something to be desired tbh), but I love foreign adventurers. By that, I mean people who really did their research before traveling here and came looking for experiences out of the casual 'touristy' norm. The interactions are always awesome, and I'm happy to help them in any way I can.

 

[Siver!]

About 20 years ago. Awesome people.

I'll be honest with you bud, I did you dirty there.

Because you said you'd never been to another country or even had a passport.

One of you guys is lying lol

I don't really care, BTW, but my only assumption is you were one that would tell the truth.

I guess not

 

[Siver!]

I don't hate tourists (although Chinese nationals in particular leave something to be desired tbh), but I love foreign adventurers. By that, I mean people who really did their research before traveling here and came looking for experiences out of the casual 'touristy' norm. The interactions are always awesome, and I'm happy to help them in any way I can.

British tourists have a dog shit reputation in tourism hotspots on the European continent, and I totally understand the frustrations felt by people in Barcelona and Tenerife.

So many Brits go to a place and just want "Little Britain" and it's genuinely embarrassing. If you want a Red Lion pub and a fry up every morning and a roast lunch every Sunday, stay home. You can't just go because "sun".

But I'm absolutely all for travel. Not just for me, for anyone that wants to get out there and experience something, no matter where they're from.

I can't abide attitudes that would seek to shut people out simply because I want to get out there too.

Let's just have some fun and keep our borders open (to tourism and legitimate migration), monitor security, and go from there.

Like you point out, Trump's an utter clown for pretending this doesn't matter, and people need to not bother supporting that idiocy and just recognise him as the dolt he is.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I'll be honest with you bud, I did you dirty there.

Because you said you'd never been to another country or even had a passport.

One of you guys is lying lol

I don't really care, BTW, but my only assumption is you were one that would tell the truth.

I guess not

I also said i was a Democrat, and you probably think i am lying.

 

[Siver!]

I also said i was a Democrat, and you probably think i am lying.

I'm glad you didn't take that too seriously, all fun and games.

No, I don't believe you're a Democrat lol

I don't believe you'll want to defend Trump in 4 years time, either, so I reckon you should get a head start and drop that trash now instead of defending his idiocy lol

 

[IDGETKTFO]

I'm glad you didn't take that too seriously, all fun and games.

No, I don't believe you're a Democrat lol

I don't believe you'll want to defend Trump in 4 years time, either, so I reckon you should get a head start and drop that trash now instead of defending his idiocy lol

Honestly, when Dems drop this Illegal Aliens nonsense, and Letting men play in womens sports, I might considering going back.

 

[Siver!]

Honestly, when Dems drop this Illegal Aliens nonsense, and Letting men play in womens sports, I might considering going back.

I wouldn't expect you to do a 180, but I think it's realistic now to start expecting right wing/GOP/Republicans types to start dropping Trump on his ass.

He's pathetic.