US Police killed more people in March than UK Police since 1900

[McNichol]

Oh yeah, the cops are forced to chase. Courts have said cops don't have to protect you. Have they said that a cop must pursue a fleeing suspect? It seems to me more like something the police want to do (drive fast and take down the motherfuckers not respecting authoritah!) rather than something they have to do. Hard to imagine the courts saying cops have to put everyone on the road's lives in danger with their speeding (and of course "making" the fleeing suspect drive recklessly due to being pursued).

Not gonna like you just described the role of Highway Patrol pretty well. So I would say yes. That is their job.

 

[Queen B]

Not surprising considering how the sissy UK officers wouldnt even kill Jihadi John if they had the chance

 

[KaNesDeath]

But in all seriousness it is a troubling stat but comparing the US to the UK is pretty dumb.

It actually isnt. For this isnt a population based statistic. More of a cultural one from two developed nations an how the police are used.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Oh yeah, the cops are forced to chase. Courts have said cops don't have to protect you. Have they said that a cop must pursue a fleeing suspect? It seems to me more like something the police want to do (drive fast and take down the motherfuckers not respecting authoritah!) rather than something they have to do. Hard to imagine the courts saying cops have to put everyone on the road's lives in danger with their speeding (and of course "making" the fleeing suspect drive recklessly due to being pursued).

Apprehending criminals is kind of in the job description. Unless you'd prefer all one need do to escape police after committing any crime is get to a car and drive away.

 

[SpidermanISGOAT]

this is terrible but I don't hope we go the route of UK police. In the UK you can be arrested and thrown in jail for saying something someone finds offensive. Plus the UK police aren't armed and that is in itself a joke. Police should be armed but should also be controlled or watched to the extent that they will not act out of line.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Not gonna like you just described the role of Highway Patrol pretty well. So I would say yes. That is their job.

If true I'm sure you can source that. Here's one of the first links to pop up.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/police-chase2.htm

Once he gets this information, he hits the lights and sirens to pull the driver over for speeding. At this point, the driver speeds up, trying to escape.
The police officer has an important decision to make -- should he pursue or not?

Department policy comes into effect in making a pursuit decision. For example, departments in the Des Moines, IA area must limit "the number of police cars chasing a suspect car to three, regardless of the number of agencies involved. Officers also must take into account the time of day, road and weather conditions, and the nature of the offense. A supervisor must approve continuation of a pursuit" [ref]. In Washington D.C., pursuit is justified only if the suspect has engaged in a violent act or "someone could be seriously hurt if the suspect was allowed to escape" [ref]. Orange County, FL has one of the most restrictive pursuit policies in the United States. In the year following enactment of that policy (2005), felonies in Orlando declined compared to the previous year [ref]. Officers will typically stay in radio contact with a supervisor throughout the chase, keeping the supervisor apprised of the situation. If it gets too risky, the supervisor can call off the chase. It's important that someone not directly involved in the chase make these decisions, since they can keep a cooler head and be more objective.

Blaming what the cop does next on whoever begins to flee is not acknowledging the officer's/department's discretionary leeway. As the citizen who might get killed I'd consider all participants to be at fault due to engaging in reckless behavior.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Apprehending criminals is kind of in the job description. Unless you'd prefer all one need do to escape police after committing any crime is get to a car and drive away.

Certain police precincts have taken the proper approach to this. Leaving the pursuit up to their helicopter with the police cars staying out of sight. Other precincts will just log the car/license plate and stop pursuit.

One must understand that a police officers job is public safety. Engaging in a car chase decreases the publics safety.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Driving over one's abilities and crashing is the fault of the guy driving. Never said they are blame free just that the person evading them is probably more to blame for putting everyone in the situation in the first place.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Apprehending criminals is kind of in the job description. Unless you'd prefer all one need do to escape police after committing any crime is get to a car and drive away.

I thought protecting and serving was in the job description. Your response lacks nuance and detail since you avoided anything regarding court rulings or actual departmental policies.

To help avoid the usual strawman tactics, I'd prefer cops not endanger citizens and if they drive recklessly enough to kill themselves while engaging in an optional pursuit then that's on them, not the suspect. Cops are responsible for their own driving.

 

[Quipling]

I wonder how many people German police have killed since 1900, specifically in the 30's and 40's

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Wow, we're better than the Nazis. Good point.

We don't need improvement, anybody! We're doing better than the actual nazis!

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That seems to be Liberia?

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... Would

 

[Concrete]

Surely it depends on how good the police driver is, the immediate danger of the person on the run committing violent crimes, availability of helicopter, and half a dozen other things. Don't see it as a simple situation where they should just let the bad guys get away. Americans have a strange relationship with their police.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Certain police precincts have taken the proper approach to this. Leaving the pursuit up to their helicopter with the police cars staying out of sight. Other precincts will just log the car/license plate and stop pursuit.

One must understand that a police officers job is public safety. Engaging in a car chase decreases the publics safety.

Most agencies don't have helicopters and planes flying around all day and night believe it or not.

Logging a plate and following up later works great in some instances, not so much in others. (Suspect only wanted for an expired reg vs guy wanted for a violent crime etc)

Letting the armed robber who shot at a clerk during his last robbery go free would probably be a pretty good risk to the public that might out weigh the risk of pursuing him for example.

 

[genecop]

No surprise, we have more deserving criminals?.

 

[Muay o Muay]

Well, it comes with the territory. We got some fucked up people here that have guns.

Still, i'd prefer the police to have guns. I remember a few years ago in the UK when those two Muslims beheaded the English servicemen and when the cops showed up all they can do was watch because machete > stick. Same with the responders to the magazine office shooting in France. Completely ineffective. Anybody paid by taxpayer money to protect should be ready for all situations. Here, there is a lot of situations where perps have guns.
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Actually one of the muslims who beheaded the servicemen was shot by the police who responded and if i remember correctly there were armed police at the magazine shooting but they were outgunned as the perps had AK's. But yeah US is saturated with guns so of course the cops need them and more shootings will result.

 

[IdahoCBR]

I wonder how many people German police have killed since 1900, specifically in the 30's and 40's

Id imagine upwards of 11 million but who's counting?

 

[burningspear]

Lol at the guys trying to defend the statistic. The US has plenty of decent attributes, this is not one.

That black dude being shot 8 times in the back? Damn! that's fuckin' crazy. That officer needs a hefty sentence to set some sort of precedent. Better late than never.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

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That seems to be Liberia?

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Better?

 

[Oedad]

I find it funny how we have People from places like the UK bragging about their society not having firearms while their nation still has a legally protected nobility that own firearms at a vastly greater rate the general population with little to no real regulation or enforcement. To top it off they are allowed go out hunting, and fishing on the queen's land in the 21st century while the lower classes would be tried and convicted under 12th century laws if their were caught taking a deer on royal land.

Hell i know a 20 year vet who served in the Royal Marines, and the SAS who moved from the UK to Canada because after he got after the service we wasn't allowed to do simple things like hunt or fish in his home country.

At least Germany and France got rid of their aristocracies albeit it after the losses of millions of innocent lives.

 

[Veiled Threat]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1374908

Now even if singular data points may be debated, this is one insane observation.

we sent them back to england all tucked like buffalo bill

 

[Vhagar]

Here come the Europeans who think they are Center of all thats holy on earth.

I'm Canadian.

I said this before, i was recently in Nevada and California. Your country is FILLED with obese/unhealthy people.

The number of homeless people is also a disgrace.

Your country is shit. You have a good military (which is great) and good athletes. Every other important issue you're lagging.