US Government Shutdown

[Rational Poster]

Day 3
Government shutdown: Republicans float minor immigration deal to end 'Dreamers' deadlock

Are "Dreamers" worth the deadlock?

They're Americans, so yes.

 

[spamking]

I don't think calling her a "disrespectful idiot" is justified, because she was calling out hypocrisy, and her statement was completely true. Well-earned disrespect toward our terrible President aside, it's clearly more his fault for lying and smearing in the first place. A good way to counter slander is to speak truth, pointedly.

I didn't specifically call her that . . . although her actions along with those of the disrespectful idiots on BOTH sides aren't helping anything move forward in a positive manner at all.

 

[spamking]

They're Americans, so yes.

So they're citizens then? If they're citizens why are they worried?

Why have so many not sought out citizenship?

 

[spamking]

It's hard to "respect the office" when the President doesn't.

Outside of his stupid tweets what has he done to make you say he doesn't respect the office?

 

[foxnoob]

No they don't, lol. I don't know why some of you believe the lies that you tell yourselves so passionately.

followed immediately by:

The majority of American states do not want a pathway for dreamers. It's mostly Democrats in California, New York and Illinois.

This level of obliviousness takes some talent. What an asshole one would have to be to believe this while rejecting the only vehicle for objectively studying opinion, polling.

 

[luckyshot]

"A shutdown falls on the President's lack of leadership. He can't even control his party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the President is weak." -Donald Trump, 2013

 

[Rational Poster]

So they're citizens then? If they're citizens why are they worried?

Why have so many not sought out citizenship?

DACA is a path to citizenship.

We're talking about children and young adults who have spent their entire lives here, speak English, have been educated here, and work here.

They're Americans even if you want to play this silly semantic game. To say otherwise is just mean.

 

[Swing]

No, it isn't.

Prove it.

A poll of 1000 people is not proof.

It is proof, it's just not 100% conclusive and it's not something you agree with.

 

[Rod1]

Day 3
Government shutdown: Republicans float minor immigration deal to end 'Dreamers' deadlock

Are "Dreamers" worth the deadlock?

No, its certainly not.

So why did McConnell refused a VOTE that he promised his own party senators for the passage of tax cuts is beyond me.

They werent even asking for it to "pass or else" just to bring it to the floor to do a vote about it as McConnell promised.

 

[Cajun]

"Feasible form of evidence" is a CNN poll of 1000 people.

Yet somehow you got "MOST AMERICANS" from 1000 people. .

There are 320,000,000 humans in America.

Mine is a lot easier to prove just by using logic.

A majority of states voted for Donald Trump who takes a very hard line against illegal immigrants. I have a sample of 60 million. At the very least they don't give a fuck about Illegal immigration, at the least. Few people would vote for Trump and be in favour of illegal immigration.

It is a little more complicated than that. DACA is a little different in that kids are brought here and have no idea what living in another country is like nor could they easily adapt anymore. I voted for Trump and in general I am against illegal immigration. But there are problems that we created the caused us to have to be a little flexible at times. I also think Trump was the lesser of two evils. I think a lot of people feel that way. We took the two most polarizing candidates in the history of these elections and put them head-to-head LOL

 

[jamel]

The shutdown was a great way to take focus off that massive march that swept the country.


I see you Trump you cant slick a can of oil!

 

[Swing]

Arguing that you can't use a sample of 1000 to make predictions for a population in the hundreds of millions just makes it look like someone has never taken a math class. It's completely boorish. If you're making that argument, you were either never good enough at math to have a worthwhile opinion when it comes to using numbers, or you were just some mope who memorized some equations to pass a class without bothering to understand what you were doing.

 

[steveflynn]

No, it isn't.

Prove it.

A poll of 1000 people is not proof.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/01/14/poll-most-americans-support-daca-program/23333138/

https://www.axios.com/poll-vast-maj...811-8a51c796-d552-45c7-bae5-e3e77f4a0ff7.html

It truly is not very difficult to find and I have absolutely no idea why you think that just because Trump won the majority of states that that automatically assumed that a healthy majority of Americans (again, easily corroborated by polling on the subject matter) do not want DACA beneficiaries legalized.

 

[steveflynn]

"Feasible form of evidence" is a CNN poll of 1000 people.

Yet somehow you got "MOST AMERICANS" from 1000 people. .

There are 320,000,000 humans in America.

Mine is a lot easier to prove just by using logic.

A majority of states voted for Donald Trump who takes a very hard line against illegal immigrants. I have a sample of 60 million. At the very least they don't give a fuck about Illegal immigration, at the least. Few people would vote for Trump and be in favour of illegal immigration.

Your logic is utterly horrible and is not born out in reality unfortunately for you.

 

[zebby23]

Master negotiator at work. Trump making all those deals, the best deals. Arts of the deals.

 

[jk7707]

Outside of his stupid tweets what has he done to make you say he doesn't respect the office?

Outside of constantly lying, acting like a petulant child when challenged, and fueling even more dysfunction in DC, nothing. Nothing at all

 

[reflector]

Is there much hope of this ending this week?

 

[Joe]

Is there much hope of this ending this week?

Today probably

 

[Fawlty]

Today probably

Trump seems to be fucking it up again, demanding even more border-related stuff, and Mitch is flat refusing to talk DACA. It isn't looking good.

 

[spamking]

DACA is a path to citizenship.

We're talking about children and young adults who have spent their entire lives here, speak English, have been educated here, and work here.

They're Americans even if you want to play this silly semantic game. To say otherwise is just mean.

I'm not advocating for anyone's family to be torn apart . . . if they're following the process towards citizenship then I'm perfectly fine with them being here.

Those who don't make one step towards becoming a citizen are the ones I wouldn't mind seeing leave.