US Government Shutdown

[Rational Poster]

it's his fault to pass the DACA. Remember what happened in 2012 after he passed DACA? 24,000 undocumented minors showed up at the US/MX border, 2-3 times the number from previous years. It was not a coincidence.

Of course illegal aliens will show up at your border if they know you don't mind.

DACA only applies to children already here who meet certain criteria, not new arrivals.

 

[PHATV]

Ok so what are you basing ANYTHING on? Where are your polls?

Seriously, man. Agree to disagree. I don't believe polls from anyone anymore. Over the last decade or so, they have become a political tool or propaganda, often with little basis in reality. Be it skewed questions or just straight lying, both seem to be the rule rather than the exception nowadays. Fuck the polls and fuck our pols is where I'm at, mostly. But I am a libertarian and conservative/right-leaning, so obviously I think the liberals are the most disgusting as it regards this and many other shady shenanigans. Which they are. But the 'pubs hands aren't clean, either.

 

[PHATV]

It's not Obama's fault then either.

He deported more than any other President in history.

Fake news that counts those turned away and other non-measurable statistics to promote a lie. I'm not going to get into a big back-and-forth about it, but I'm just pointing that out.

 

[Rational Poster]

Fake news that counts those turned away and other non-measurable statistics to promote a lie. I'm not going to get into a big back-and-forth about it, but I'm just pointing that out.

 

[Toothless King]

DACA only applies to children already here who meet certain criteria, not new arrivals.

That's not the point. It's the whole vibe or impression when Obama passed DACA. He gave illegals simmering hope that some how we will open border for the world.

It's the same thing with Trump. Trump's rhetoric causes illegal immigration to go down.

 

[PHATV]

I'm not sure. did Bush grant amnesty/protection from deportation to 800k dreamers like Obama did?

Obama had open borders and a non-enforcement policy and lied about it, but in fairness W was ready to sign the abortion of a bill that McAmnesty and The Swimmer Ted Kennedy were coming up with until people came out overwhelmingly against it. Pretty sure that is the case, though I'm going from memory and it sometimes fails me or can be lacking a bit---now that I'm nearly the half-century mark.

 

[PHATV]

Hahaha. OK, then. If I can't convince you with the truth, then you are too far gone eating the liberal gruel.

 

[Rational Poster]

That's not the point. It's the whole vibe or impression when Obama passed DACA. He gave illegals simmering hope that some how we will open border for the world.

It's the same thing with Trump. Trump's rhetoric causes illegal immigration to go down.

Illegal immigration was down before Trump and Obama were in office. The number of illegals has decreased in the past decade.

This is how I see it. Obama tried to fix YOUR problem that you were all to stubborn to work with him on because he's half-black.

Liberals don't work in agriculture or lumber, and most don't work in construction either. That's the real incentive for illegals to come here, the work.

Obama tried to alleviate the problem YOU ALL created and now you're trying to hang him with it.

 

[Rational Poster]

Hahaha. OK, then. If I can't convince you with the truth, then you are too far gone eating the liberal gruel.

I'm well aware of the argument you're trying to make, it's old, and boring.

Obama didn't change the classification, Bush did. Nothing changed in the way the data was collected under Obama.

You just want to discredit Obama.

 

[PHATV]

I'm well aware of the argument you're trying to make, it's old, and boring.

Obama didn't change the classification, Bush did. Nothing changed in the way the data was collected under Obama.

You just want to discredit Obama.

Obama discredited himself. But that's just my view. I know yours differs.

Again, that you would take the word of Obama who was Chief Gaylord over the most corrupt and criminal administration in the history of the US is fine, I choose not to. An option for both of us in this free country. I'm just glad it's the weekend!

 

[Rational Poster]

Again, that you would take the word of Obama who was Chief Gaylord over the most corrupt and criminal administration in the history of the US is fine, I choose not to. An option for both of us in this free country. I'm just glad it's the weekend!

I didn't take the word of Obama, not sure what you're on about.

You think Obama is out there micromanaging this data collection to score points on deportation? Why would he do that? He never ran on that.

Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous because it has no motive.

Illegal immigration is not a major problem like it was in the 90s and early 00s. That's reality.

 

[PHATV]

I didn't take the word of Obama, not sure what you're on about.

You think Obama is out there micromanaging this data collection to score points on deportation? Why would he do that? He never ran on that.

Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous because it has no motive.

Obama, Holder, Rice, Lynch, Kerry, Hillary, etc.
They lied at every turn. I have no reason to believe those lower-level partisan political hack bureaucrats that reported to him and provided these numbers would do anything other than make up whatever they thought politically expedient for themselves and their man. He wasn't personally collecting the data and micromanaging it, but it was being done on his orders. Same as the IRS, DOJ, EPA attacking conservative voters/supporters and groups. Corruption and banana republic shit---weaponizing these agencies to attack your political enemies. Nothing even remotely so sinister has happened previously under any administration in the history of the country. That's not conspiracy theory, it's fact.

Again, it's just my $.02, which generally trades for about $.01 on the open market.

So I'm not saying you have to agree. Just that you're wrong if you don't.

Have a great weekend, though!

 

[Joe]

Obama discredited himself. But that's just my view. I know yours differs.

Again, that you would take the word of Obama who was Chief Gaylord over the most corrupt and criminal administration in the history of the US is fine, I choose not to. An option for both of us in this free country. I'm just glad it's the weekend!

More trump officials have plead guilty in less than one year than Obama officials did in 8 years.

 

[Rational Poster]

Obama, Holder, Rice, Lynch, Kerry, Hillary, etc.
They lied at every turn. I have no reason to believe those lower-level partisan political hack bureaucrats that reported to him and provided these numbers would do anything other than make up whatever they thought politically expedient for themselves and their man. He wasn't personally collecting the data and micromanaging it, but it was being done on his orders. Same as the IRS, DOJ, EPA attacking conservative voters/supporters and groups. Corruption and banana republic shit---weaponizing these agencies to attack your political enemies. Nothing even remotely so sinister has happened previously under any administration in the history of the country. That's not conspiracy theory, it's fact.

Again, it's just my $.02, which generally trades for about $.01 on the open market.

So I'm not saying you have to agree. Just that you're wrong if you don't.

Have a great weekend, though!

 

[skold]

I will refer you to 2009 when they had full control of the US political system

The motto was "we kant du nuddin"

If you cant see how complicit these mealy mouthed soft palmed hypocritical bags of shit are, Im not going to be the one to show you.

For the last time you deadbeat, this is 100% on GOPs shoulders.

Buh buh buh muh 2009... Also caused by those GOP retards by the way

 

[PHATV]

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

More trump officials have plead guilty in less than one year than Obama officials did in 8 years.

He won't let pesky facts get in the way of his axes that need grinding

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

What I'd like to know is if there is a shut down will Trump be dumb enough to go golfing this weekend and to his party?

 

[Diamond Jim]

Republicans bargaining Chip is ridiculous. They let it expire months ago and could’ve brought it to the floor at anytime. They are using it as a hostage now to kick the dreamers out. Democrats should not budge.

 

[HomerThompson]

Republicans bargaining Chip is ridiculous. They let it expire months ago and could’ve brought it to the floor at anytime. They are using it as a hostage now to kick the dreamers out. Democrats should not budge.

It's beyond disgusting.