US Government Shutdown

[helltoupee]

It's all good. And yes, the repubs have a majority. However, while not 100% sure, I believe that even if every repub voted for the bill, the democrats would have still blocked it. The dems wanted a shutdown, and they got it.

That remains to be seen I guess.

 

[Fawlty]

I reported this to the mods as HomerThomson reports posts, and the mods did nothing. So here is a post that the mods are tolerant of for everyone to see!!!

I have an honest question for you:

How many times did you report the thread cuck?

 

[M3t4tr0n]

It's all good. And yes, the repubs have a majority. However, while not 100% sure, I believe that even if every repub voted for the bill, the democrats would have still blocked it. The dems wanted a shutdown, and they got it.

Trump said shutdowns are the potus fault. Did he lie?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

it's a bit disingenuous (highly, in fact) to both claim that trump is an unqualified lying moron, and then bring up him clowning others for things he's doing or can't get done now as if those are two separate distinctions.....

the guy was literally stone cold stunned before, and had a shave your hair pro wrestling match or some ish...what do you expect

 

[The ScorpioN]

So the retarded politically impotent Republicans couldn't even sweeten a deal or pay off 5 more Democrats they needed to get 60 votes like when they paid off Bob Corker and others for the tax bill?

All the funds for pay offs went to silence sexual harassment claims.

 

[7437]

It's all good. And yes, the repubs have a majority. However, while not 100% sure, I believe that even if every repub voted for the bill, the democrats would have still blocked it. The dems wanted a shutdown, and they got it.

.... but thats not correct. It failed because several republicans didnt stand with it.

 

[panamaican]

It's all good. And yes, the repubs have a majority. However, while not 100% sure, I believe that even if every repub voted for the bill, the democrats would have still blocked it. The dems wanted a shutdown, and they got it.

That is avoidable by giving in to some Democrat demands, although I'm not saying they should do it.

It's just that you can't say that the other side wants a shutdown when you're intentionally trying to force them into something that you know they don't want. It's like saying "Buy my 30 year old Honda Civic for $35,000. You won't? You must not want to get to work."

When "Take a shit deal or it's your fault," fails, it's pretty much always the fault of the person offering the shit deal. At this level, both sides know what the other side wants and can/can't budge on without losing face and when you try to force the other side to lose face and they refuse, that's your fault because you misread your opponent.

The GOP has 51 votes. They put together a deal that swings 9 Dem voters, it's done. Instead they've chosen a deal that will give them political points with their base by requiring the Dems to take a deal that will cost them political points with their base. They would never accept those terms if the shoe was on the other foot so they must really believe that they can win the media war because they know that deal had no chance in hell of passing. And that means that shutdown is their fault - for putting up a deal they knew wouldn't be accepted and gambling on winning the media scrum afterwards.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

.... but thats not correct. It failed because several republicans didnt stand with it.

Are you sure? I think you are wrong.

I read that the senate requires 60 votes. Wiki has the republicans at 51 seats. That means if every repub voted yes, they would still need 9 Dem votes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_members_of_the_United_States_Senate

So basically, all this ranting and raving about the republicans controlling everything amd therefore it is their fault is fake news. The democrats singlehandily had the power to pass or deny the bill.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

That is avoidable by giving in to some Democrat demands, although I'm not saying they should do it.

It's just that you can't say that the other side wants a shutdown when you're intentionally trying to force them into something that you know they don't want. It's like saying "Buy my 30 year old Honda Civic for $35,000. You won't? You must not want to get to work."

When "Take a shit deal or it's your fault," fails, it's pretty much always the fault of the person offering the shit deal. At this level, both sides know what the other side wants and can/can't budge on without losing face and when you try to force the other side to lose face and they refuse, that's your fault because you misread your opponent.

The GOP has 51 votes. They put together a deal that swings 9 Dem voters, it's done. Instead they've chosen a deal that will give them political points with their base by requiring the Dems to take a deal that will them political points with their base. They would never accept those terms if the shoe was on the other foot so they must really believe that they can win the media war because they know that deal had no chance in hell of passing. And that means that shutdown is their fault - for putting up a deal they knew wouldn't be accepted and gambling on winning the media scrum afterwards.

Lol, you replied for me. Should have read the rest of the thread.

 

[panamaican]

Lol, you replied for me. Should have read the rest of the thread.

You should have or I should have?

 

[Ice That Jaw]

That is avoidable by giving in to some Democrat demands, although I'm not saying they should do it.

It's just that you can't say that the other side wants a shutdown when you're intentionally trying to force them into something that you know they don't want. It's like saying "Buy my 30 year old Honda Civic for $35,000. You won't? You must not want to get to work."

When "Take a shit deal or it's your fault," fails, it's pretty much always the fault of the person offering the shit deal. At this level, both sides know what the other side wants and can/can't budge on without losing face and when you try to force the other side to lose face and they refuse, that's your fault because you misread your opponent.

The GOP has 51 votes. They put together a deal that swings 9 Dem voters, it's done. Instead they've chosen a deal that will give them political points with their base by requiring the Dems to take a deal that will cost them political points with their base. They would never accept those terms if the shoe was on the other foot so they must really believe that they can win the media war because they know that deal had no chance in hell of passing. And that means that shutdown is their fault - for putting up a deal they knew wouldn't be accepted and gambling on winning the media scrum afterwards.

Out of all this bullshit, I must say I am happy that Joe Manchin was one of dems who did vote yes. He is with out a doubt, the only mainstream politician I actually look up to. Conservative Democrats are the only rational people in politics today imo.

Joe Manchin would make a great president in a rational america.

 

[7437]

Are you sure? I think you are wrong.

I read that the senate requires 60 votes. Wiki has the republicans at 51 seats. That means if every repub voted yes, they would still need 9 Dem votes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_members_of_the_United_States_Senate

So basically, all this ranting and raving about the republicans controlling everything amd therefore it is their fault is fake news. The democrats singlehandily had the power to pass or deny the bill.

singlehandedly? they didnt need republicans?

5 dems even came to the republican side. 5 republicans also didnt support the bill. how much support for the controlling party do you expect the opposition to really have?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/19/us/politics/live-senate-vote-government-shutdown.html

 

[Fawlty]

So basically, all this ranting and raving about the republicans controlling everything amd therefore it is their fault is fake news. The democrats singlehandily had the power to pass or deny the bill.

The content of the bill seems not to matter to you at all. The democrats should just agree to whatever because grr and rawr and stuff.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

singlehandedly? they didnt need republicans?

5 dems even came to the republican side. 5 republicans also didnt support the bill. how much support for the controlling party do you expect the opposition to really have?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/19/us/politics/live-senate-vote-government-shutdown.html

Yes, singlehandily. The Dems knew that at least 9 of their votes were needed to prevent the shutdown. It's a team sport.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

The content of the bill seems not to matter to you at all. The democrats should just agree to whatever because grr and rawr and stuff.

No it doesn't. Not when it comes down to the wire. The bill was a 4 week extension. You act like they were signing the only spending bill of the year.

 

[Fawlty]

No it doesn't. Not when it comes down to the wire. The bill was a 4 week extension. You act like they were signing the only spending bill of the year.

If the content of the bill doesn't matter to you, you should leave the discussion to the grownups.

 

[panamaican]

No it doesn't. Not when it comes down to the wire. The bill was a 4 week extension. You act like they were signing the only spending bill of the year.

It matters because anything either side signs on for beyond the generic shit is going to be used against them after the extension. That's why DACA and CHIP shouldn't have been in the extension, it made getting a deal, even a short term one impossible.

Let's say the Dem's sign on for some kind of DACA resolution that loses with their base. When the 4 weeks are up, they won't be able to walk back from that resolution because the GOP will say "You agreed to it last time for the extension, so why won't you agree to it this time when there's more at stake?"

The Dem's know that's spin that comes so they can't accept it, even in the short term because the GOP will hold them to it in the long term.

They should have left DACA out of it, passed a short term deal to fund the government and handled DACA separately but the GOP really wants to force the Dem's hand on immigration because the GOP base wants an immigration win. The GOP's strategy makes sense because they'll win the points with their base regardless of if the Dem's agree or not. The Dem's agree, the GOP brags about breaking the Dem's on an important point. The Dem's disagree, the GOP tells their base that the Dem's care about illegals more than American workers. It's win/win for them ahead of the midterms.

 

[woodguyatl]

Out of all this bullshit, I must say I am happy that Joe Manchin was one of dems who did vote yes. He is with out a doubt, the only mainstream politician I actually look up to. Conservative Democrats are the only rational people in politics today imo.

Joe Manchin would make a great president in a rational america.

Some of the moderate R’s are decent as well. Kasich is a good example.

 

[woodguyatl]

Are you sure? I think you are wrong.

I read that the senate requires 60 votes. Wiki has the republicans at 51 seats. That means if every repub voted yes, they would still need 9 Dem votes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_members_of_the_United_States_Senate

So basically, all this ranting and raving about the republicans controlling everything amd therefore it is their fault is fake news. The democrats singlehandily had the power to pass or deny the bill.

Why do think the Democrats single handedly had the power? The Republicans didn’t even all vote for the CR. I think 2 declined to vote for the bill and McCain did not vote due to illness. The Democrats had enough votes to help the Republicans but ultimately the majority party gets to determine what bills come to the floor for vote.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

didnt read the thread, so not sure it was mentioned, but i just heard troops overseas will miss the football games because AFN is shut down during the shut down