Social US Border Patrol Officer tells Haitian migrant his country is s***

[Staph infection]

I think they sensed that the face that lay beneath the mask may have been even more disturbing than the mask itself. No one wanted to risk it.

Valid point there.

 

[ultramanhyata]

One country gives the impression the people in charge are "soft" on illegal immigrants verse you have to enter legally or you you will not get in.

Yeah, bro, it has nothing to do with the US being the richest nation in the world. The Haitians would have all been happy to flee to Honduras if that country were as "soft" on refugees as the States.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

What you leave out is why the chose a country to go to.

One country gives the impression the people in charge are "soft" on illegal immigrants verse you have to enter legally or you you will not get in.

Now once the problem is out of hand the position of those incharge change their minds when they were the ones that created the mess.

The perception of being "soft" or "hard" only effects the amount of people that will come at particular times. It does not explain why people come in the first place, and it does not stop people from coming if their situations are dire enough. Numbers will fluctuate depending on how bad conditions in those countries get regardless of how "hard" you talk, or how many kids you throw in a cage.

This focus on being "soft" is a red herring.
If you care about illegal immigration and border security, you would have to talk about the root cause. Democrats being soft on immigration is not the root cause of illegal immigration from the South. Call it a contributing factor if that makes you feel better, but it's no where near the driving force. People are trying to treat cancer with band-aids.

 

[GolovKing]

This doesn't make any sense, I don't know why conservatives keep saying this dumb shit.

You can't even apply for naturalization until you have been in the country for 5 years.
A lot of the people coming from these countries are conservative. If Republicans weren't so stupid and xenophobic, they would see the boon that this could be for them.
Anything is going to seem better than what these people came from, so you can sell them on this "American dream--if you work hard, you can make it" pitch. These conservative Catholics and Muslims aren't going to be allies of the LGBT, or abortion. And a person that spent weeks trekking through jungles and deserts isn't going to have time to go protesting against the police, free college, or medicare for all.
Lots of latinos vote Republican, as do African immigrants.

Most migrants and non-whites vote blue that's just the way it is, even if they are socially conservative or not. The children of hatian immigrants tend to assimilate into black American culture and vote the same way they do

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Have a good day dumbass

 

[oldshadow]

Yeah, bro, it has nothing to do with the US being the richest nation in the world. The Haitians would have all been happy to flee to Honduras if that country were as "soft" on refugees as the States.

Dont be a dumb ass if the US had a rep for being tough on illegals it would definitely have an effect.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Most migrants and non-whites vote blue that's just the way it is, even if they are socially conservative or not. The children of hatian immigrants tend to assimilate into black American culture and vote the same way they do

Conservatives have gained latino votes. Trump was able to increase his black vote. And there are groups of POC immigrants that tend to vote conservative like Cubans and Nigerians.

Ironically, conservatives would likely be able to get a lot of these immigrants if they weren't assholes, and tried to make a pathway for citizenship for them. There are a lot of socially conservative blacks that don't vote Republican largely because they come off as racists, and Democrats are just the lesser of two evils.
Republicans throw away votes and do nothing to court these people based off of false assumptions of who they are, and what they care about.

 

[oldshadow]

The perception of being "soft" or "hard" only effects the amount of people that will come at particular times. It does not explain why people come in the first place, and it does not stop people from coming if their situations are dire enough. Numbers will fluctuate depending on how bad conditions in those countries get regardless of how "hard" you talk, or how many kids you throw in a cage.

This focus on being "soft" is a red herring.
If you care about illegal immigration and border security, you would have to talk about the root cause. Democrats being soft on immigration is not the root cause of illegal immigration from the South. Call it a contributing factor if that makes you feel better, but it's no where near the driving force. People are trying to treat cancer with band-aids.

It makes a huge difference on the numbers trying to get in. If they know it's very hard to get in and stay in or even find work then the numbers would reduce by a large amount.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

It makes a huge difference on the numbers trying to get in. If they know it's very hard to get in and stay in or even find work then the numbers would reduce by a large amount.

It entirely depends on the conditions happening in that country at the time.
If it gets bad enough, and the choice is between certain death in their shit hole country vs. a chance in the US, they are going to choose the trek to the US.
I don't know why you guys fight this simple fact about human psychology.
No one is going to sit at home and wait to die because you pass a tough law. If they see a route to save themselves and their family, they're going to do it.

At the end of the day, do you care about reducing numbers, or stopping the problem?
In May, the border patrol caught about 180,000 people at the border. If we went "hard" on the rhetoric around border security and that number went down to 70,000, how much would that really make you feel better?
Rhetoric is not going to solve this problem.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

How was what he said retarded? The truth hurts sometimes and Haiti is a shit hole.

The migrants know this. That's why they just made a dangerous journey with their families to get out of their shitty country.

Imagine fleeing your country of birth to find a better one to live in. The minute you get to the border someone shouts "your country is a shithole!" Then imagine this same man calling you a coward after you just did something more difficult and dangerous than he has ever done.

No fucking shit Haiti sucks, that's why they're here. Acknowledging that just justifies the journey they took to get here.

That's why what he said is retarded.

 

[oldshadow]

It entirely depends on the conditions happening in that country at the time.
If it gets bad enough, and the choice is between certain death in their shit hole country vs. a chance in the US, they are going to choose the trek to the US.
I don't know why you guys fight this simple fact about human psychology.
No one is going to sit at home and wait to die because you pass a tough law. If they see a route to save themselves and their family, they're going to do it.

At the end of the day, do you care about reducing numbers, or stopping the problem?
In May, the border patrol caught about 180,000 people at the border. If we went "hard" on the rhetoric around border security and that number went down to 70,000, how much would that really make you feel better?
Rhetoric is not going to solve this problem.

No it's not actual enforcement and making tough laws will.

Secure the boarder. Including stop the stupid "catch and release ".

Make it almost impossible for an illlegal to get work. This includes huge fines for any person of company hiring a illegal. So huge it will bankrupt the company.

No government assistance for illegal immigrants except emergency medical.

Along with looking at ways to screen good people that want to get in legally faster an easier. Also ways to control and help people that just want to come for temporary work.

 

[GolovKing]

Conservatives have gained latino votes. Trump was able to increase his black vote. And there are groups of POC immigrants that tend to vote conservative like Cubans and Nigerians.

Ironically, conservatives would likely be able to get a lot of these immigrants if they weren't assholes, and tried to make a pathway for citizenship for them. There are a lot of socially conservative blacks that don't vote Republican largely because they come off as racists, and Democrats are just the lesser of two evils.
Republicans throw away votes and do nothing to court these people based off of false assumptions of who they are, and what they care about.

Neither the black not Latino vote is anywhere close to being 50/50 for red and blue though. Black women particularly are never going to support right wing policies. Some black men seemed to like Trump because they liked his energy and seemed more real but the next vanilla gop candidate is probably gonna get the same low numbers previous republicans were getting. I don't see Latinos making the switch in big numbers either. The only Latino demographics I see supporting gop policies in the future are cubans, venezuelans, and possibly Mexican Americans in Texas only, as data shows that in Texas, Mexican Americans begin to vote more and more red as they are further removed from older generations that first migrated here. Mexican Americans in other states aren't voting republican though.

In order for the gop to effectively capture these demographics as voters they would have to basically concede defeat and mirror the democrats stance on borders, race issues and social programs but at that point what would they even be? They would be almost the same as the democrat party and such a major shift would likely cause a split between republicans.

 

[Luthien]

Pretty bad how they cut down all their trees with no thought whatsoever on how to replant

 

[Topguntrophey]

The US has been treating Haiti and other countries like crap for decades and decades to support its "buisness" and military interests. And as the pattern goes, the people those countries come to the US to be told too bad.

If the US stopped stirring the pot all the time, they wouldn't need to deal with the mess.

F the Clintons. F the Bushes. F them all.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Why are the "hard measures" only focused on punishing the poor people caught in the middle of the bullshit that countries like the United States and leaders of the corrupt nations caused in the first place?

People don't risk their lives on these treks for funsies.
Punishment doesn't deter people in life and death situations. If they believe their choices are, stay in my country and 'be jobless, not be able to provide for my wife and children, die of dysentery, or get killed by the local drug lord, OR, take my chances in a rich country with laws and opportunity, they're going to choose #2.
There is no amount of jail or beatings that is going to change that. If you care about fixing the problem, then you go to the root. Instead of wasting money on walls and jails and deportation flights, address the source.

Hard measures worked for Egypt, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, China, Russia, Morocco, Algeria. If illegals do make it in it is very few and they are sent to other countries or imprisoned then beg to be deported as the prison conditions are hellish

 

[SmilinDesperado]

No it's not actual enforcement and making tough laws will.

Secure the boarder. Including stop the stupid "catch and release ".

Make it almost impossible for an illlegal to get work. This includes huge fines for any person of company hiring a illegal. So huge it will bankrupt the company.

No government assistance for illegal immigrants except emergency medical.

Along with looking at ways to screen good people that want to get in legally faster an easier. Also ways to control and help people that just want to come for temporary work.

Got it.
So you don't care about fixing the problem, you care about partisan politics and nationalism.
Because none of the things you listed address why people leave their home.

Never mind the fact that it's also legal for them to come and seek asylum, and we have a large, porous border that will be difficult to constantly man, secure, and fund. Your "solutions" just morph the problems into something different.

 

[Matsukaze]

Truth hurts sometimes

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Neither the black not Latino vote is anywhere close to being 50/50 for red and blue though. Black women particularly are never going to support right wing policies. Some black men seemed to like Trump because they liked his energy and seemed more real but the next vanilla gop candidate is probably gonna get the same low numbers previous republicans were getting. I don't see Latinos making the switch in big numbers either. The only Latino demographics I see supporting gop policies in the future are cubans, venezuelans, and possibly Mexican Americans in Texas only, as data shows that in Texas, Mexican Americans begin to vote more and more red as they are further removed from older generations that first migrated here. Mexican Americans in other states aren't voting republican though.

In order for the gop to effectively capture these demographics as voters they would have to basically concede defeat and mirror the democrats stance on borders, race issues and social programs but at that point what would they even be? They would be almost the same as the democrat party and such a major shift would likely cause a split between republicans.

But my point wasn't that it was going to be 50/50 numbers. I'm not saying that there is a danger that blacks and latinos are just all going to flip in massive numbers--I'm just saying that these people exist, and that there are people that can be flipped. And that there are pockets of groups that do vote conservative--so people don't just vote down racial lines.
We don't need that many in our system to make a difference when so many people don't vote.

When it comes to local and state elections, these numbers can make a larger impact on national politics down the line.
As blacks and other minorities get wealthier, they tend to vote more on what fills their wallet. They take the conservative dogma to heart and say they got where they are because of hard work. And blacks, like a lot of other people are tired of Democrats that don't deliver on their promises. So while there may not be as many black men that will vote for the next vanilla GOP presidential candidate, they could vote for their local GOP representative, or just not vote Democrat.

If Republicans just ignored race and culture wars, focused on economics/lower taxes, and fixed immigration via policy---they would get more minority votes.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Hard measures worked for Egypt, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, China, Russia, Morocco, Algeria. If illegals do make it in it is very few and they are sent to other countries or imprisoned then beg to be deported as the prison conditions are hellish

So, you are not interested in addressing the problem--just continue putting bandaids on it.

And your grand solution for the "the god fearing nation that is a beacon of freedom and good in this world" when it comes to dealing with refugees, is to be more like Uzbekistan and China?

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Pretty bad how they cut down all their trees with no thought whatsoever on how to replant

This started in the colonial days under the French. They deforested the hell out of the place. It was their most profitable colony and it was supplying half of Europe's coffee and sugar for a while. It also had a much higher population due to the amount of slaves they shipped there. Different land terrain as well.
The Dominican Republic belonged to Spain, and Spain didn't invest in, or pay as much attention to their colony, so it didn't get as fucked.