Had a guy that I trained with join the Army and eventually left. He trained maybe 4 months with us and was like 140 pounds max. When he came back after training he talked about their grappling training they did and said it was a joke. He said he was tapping out everybody and they thought he was some kind of awesome grappler lol. However he said he did meet some speacial forces guys that were legit and beat the crap out of everybody.
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Well me being ex-Navy, they taught us absolutely zero hand-to-hand techniques in any sort of training. Except of the homosexual nature. Making moves like Jagger. Barely any weapons, but there were a couple.
I will share what I think is a cool story this time, not no Sneaky Pete if you know what I'm saying.
I was stationed aboard a submarine for most of my 6 years. 2 years of school, then 4 years on a Trident sub. Anyone else here ex-Navy, nuke, submariner? Raise your hand, ahoy matey if you are.
I guess you could say our main goal would be to hide deep and be prepared to launch our ballistic missiles. There were basically 2 kinds of subs, tridents and attacks. Attacks, well they attacked. Tridents weren't supposed to be found.
Another goal was to protect the missiles (I'm neither confirming/nor denying we carried them lol,) almost at all costs. Pretty much everyone on a ballistic submarine HAD to be certified in at least one weapon. There were assigned reaction forces, which we drilled mercilessly, to dispel any hostile takeover.
Out of those reaction forces they would choose like 6 people to go to specialized school, me 1x, where you guys had these certain roles to play in case of hostile takeover. And that's all all say about that part ha ha. In that course, we got mashed up with all these other people for like 2 weeks and learned all sorts of crazy techniques. It started with hand-to-hand stuff and progressed to sticks, weapons, terrorist negotiations. The last couple days they took us to a mothballed fleet of ships where we geared up in like police stuff and paintball guns, cameras everywhere, and played out/took turns as terrorists/negotiators in an empty ship. Unless you were a SEAL, this was a pretty big deal for a submariner. It was awesome.
That being said, I didn't learn shit about fighting or anything. I was always jealous of the big boys, the Army and the Marines. Getting to fight and grapple.
I will say that for the most part the military guys that come by are respectful, strong usually, and eager to learn. For like 2 weeks.
Sorry deadlizard.
I will share what I think is a cool story this time, not no Sneaky Pete if you know what I'm saying.
I was stationed aboard a submarine for most of my 6 years. 2 years of school, then 4 years on a Trident sub. Anyone else here ex-Navy, nuke, submariner? Raise your hand, ahoy matey if you are.
I guess you could say our main goal would be to hide deep and be prepared to launch our ballistic missiles. There were basically 2 kinds of subs, tridents and attacks. Attacks, well they attacked. Tridents weren't supposed to be found.
Another goal was to protect the missiles (I'm neither confirming/nor denying we carried them lol,) almost at all costs. Pretty much everyone on a ballistic submarine HAD to be certified in at least one weapon. There were assigned reaction forces, which we drilled mercilessly, to dispel any hostile takeover.
Out of those reaction forces they would choose like 6 people to go to specialized school, me 1x, where you guys had these certain roles to play in case of hostile takeover. And that's all all say about that part ha ha. In that course, we got mashed up with all these other people for like 2 weeks and learned all sorts of crazy techniques. It started with hand-to-hand stuff and progressed to sticks, weapons, terrorist negotiations. The last couple days they took us to a mothballed fleet of ships where we geared up in like police stuff and paintball guns, cameras everywhere, and played out/took turns as terrorists/negotiators in an empty ship. Unless you were a SEAL, this was a pretty big deal for a submariner. It was awesome.
That being said, I didn't learn shit about fighting or anything. I was always jealous of the big boys, the Army and the Marines. Getting to fight and grapple.
I will say that for the most part the military guys that come by are respectful, strong usually, and eager to learn. For like 2 weeks.
Sorry deadlizard.
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had a very similar experience at my gym, i had been training for around 6 months and one day an Army guy comes in talking about being a level three and stuff so i thought i was gonna get destroyed but the guy was horrible i made him tap 6 times in a 5 minute period... even Got him with a Gogoplata
Pretty funny, the second time I tapped the first guy was with a gogo...
I am active duty Navy and Army combatives is very loosely based on BJJ. They don't train it enough for it to be effective. I trained BJJ for 6 months then entered a combatives torney heres my match im in the blue. While i was in the match and i had him mounted is army buddies were telling him to choke me. This was when I was a new white belt.
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My dad was a green beret, and he said what he was taught would MAYBE make him a green belt in karate. Not all that much emphasis on H2H.
My dad helped write the radio communication part of the GB book. While doing that other guys did research on knife throwing. They can back with the answer "don't. Never throw a knife" a lot isn't how it is portrayed in the media
My dad helped write the radio communication part of the GB book. While doing that other guys did research on knife throwing. They can back with the answer "don't. Never throw a knife" a lot isn't how it is portrayed in the media
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Yeah never met a cop who could even handle the 3 month WB version of me. They really gotta step it up.
I am applying for a corrections officer job. Hope my BJJ makes my application look good :0
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I got my start with grappling during a deployment. I was Air Force and the Army Sgt. Major told me to go. Great experience. A lot of the guys were horrible, they never trained. They Level 3 instructor was a solid high level blue in BJJ and the guy who personally took me under his wing that I trained with everyday would dominate most BJJ brown belts in my opinion. Although he was 240lbs, 6'1", stronger than Atlas and wrestled out of Iowa.
Most of the guys just did it when they had too, a few of the other guys did it more often, but most of them were just mediocre white belts. Don't assume they all suck though.
Most of the guys just did it when they had too, a few of the other guys did it more often, but most of them were just mediocre white belts. Don't assume they all suck though.
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How do the Army Combatives, and MCMAP compare with the Russian system of Sambo?
lol MCMAP, Mcslap, mcninja... It's a good concept, just not taught properly... anywhere really. Basically a couple of Marines go to a pit filled with rubber mulch and start drilling some stuff with their buddies. It just helps you get promoted faster really. Guys who want to learn how to really grapple join a club on base or a real gym.
Here's an illustration of the overly zealous fresh Marine out of boot camp using MCMAP for you guys to get an idea.
Here's an illustration of the overly zealous fresh Marine out of boot camp using MCMAP for you guys to get an idea.
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Destroy the fuse box leading to missile control.
Flood the main air lock.
Destroy the main control room.
Lock out the computer.
Radio command of your situation.
Secure the ship's commander.
Those are my guesses.
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You mean Systema?
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And your guesses are almost all pretty much spot on with a few tweaks here and there. Nice.
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Once someone told me that phosphorus grenades were for destroying your own shit, I pretty much could guess how military logic worked. Thanks
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I am level 4 certified in MACP. The highest level you can go in Army Combatives.
I did a ton of Judo, kickboxing, and BJJ purple before I ever got into the Army. I was level 0 and tapping level 4's when they gave us their rudimentary training. It was garbage. Basic Gracie Jiu Jitsu garbage. At the time there were a couple of drills and a few submissions. In a 40 hour course you probably got 2 hours of actual rolling in. And probably less than 20 hours of technique training by dubious instructors. That was around 2006.
Now in 2012 I got my level 3 and 4.
Level 3 is no joke. 160 hours of training. Every single day you are rolling. First week focuses on boxing. Second week focuses on kickboxing. Third on putting it all together. Fourth week culminates in tactical body armor with weapons, etc. Each week you have 3 bouts in whatever week you are in - example: Week 1 you will have 3 rounds of boxing full out with someone. Week 2 kickboxing 3 bouts. Etc. The final week are honor grad bouts with pancrase rules 1x10min round for each weight class. Dudes are getting fucked up.
But keep in mind the program has changed. They are trying to add more combat focused stuff in there while trying to make you a competent fighter. How to pull a resisting suspect out of a car through the window, 2 on 1 scenarios, grappling matches where the instructor suddenly drops a stun gun on the ground nearby, guys in blauer suits are jumping you trying to take your M4 away after tackling you.
This whole thing about "grappling" got a bad rap in the Army. First, they sucked at teaching it. Second, it doesn't work very well in a full kit. So now the emphasis is becoming more tactically focused.
Now the level 1 certification teaches just very, very basic skills. The average soldier *MIGHT* remember the armbar and scissor sweep in a month - but probably not. They do a punch drill where they must achieve a clinch 4x on the instructor while they are wearing boxing gloves punching the students. The culminating event now is an "action front/rear" drill where guys in Blauer suits face off against students in body armor, helmet, and a weapon. Usually the student just gets tackled.
So to sum this huge post up: The Army is moving away from a grappling focused curiculum and towards a tactical response that centers on using your weapon first, having your buddy arrive soon, and not to get caught up rolling around on the ground.
Take a look at what the Army is really looking for these days in Combatives:
http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/197th/combatives/
I did a ton of Judo, kickboxing, and BJJ purple before I ever got into the Army. I was level 0 and tapping level 4's when they gave us their rudimentary training. It was garbage. Basic Gracie Jiu Jitsu garbage. At the time there were a couple of drills and a few submissions. In a 40 hour course you probably got 2 hours of actual rolling in. And probably less than 20 hours of technique training by dubious instructors. That was around 2006.
Now in 2012 I got my level 3 and 4.
Level 3 is no joke. 160 hours of training. Every single day you are rolling. First week focuses on boxing. Second week focuses on kickboxing. Third on putting it all together. Fourth week culminates in tactical body armor with weapons, etc. Each week you have 3 bouts in whatever week you are in - example: Week 1 you will have 3 rounds of boxing full out with someone. Week 2 kickboxing 3 bouts. Etc. The final week are honor grad bouts with pancrase rules 1x10min round for each weight class. Dudes are getting fucked up.
But keep in mind the program has changed. They are trying to add more combat focused stuff in there while trying to make you a competent fighter. How to pull a resisting suspect out of a car through the window, 2 on 1 scenarios, grappling matches where the instructor suddenly drops a stun gun on the ground nearby, guys in blauer suits are jumping you trying to take your M4 away after tackling you.
This whole thing about "grappling" got a bad rap in the Army. First, they sucked at teaching it. Second, it doesn't work very well in a full kit. So now the emphasis is becoming more tactically focused.
Now the level 1 certification teaches just very, very basic skills. The average soldier *MIGHT* remember the armbar and scissor sweep in a month - but probably not. They do a punch drill where they must achieve a clinch 4x on the instructor while they are wearing boxing gloves punching the students. The culminating event now is an "action front/rear" drill where guys in Blauer suits face off against students in body armor, helmet, and a weapon. Usually the student just gets tackled.
So to sum this huge post up: The Army is moving away from a grappling focused curiculum and towards a tactical response that centers on using your weapon first, having your buddy arrive soon, and not to get caught up rolling around on the ground.
Take a look at what the Army is really looking for these days in Combatives:
http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/197th/combatives/
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Why did the U.S. Army cancel the Army Combatives Championships in Fort Hood this year? - E
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Funding.... There doing the commander cup which is same thing
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I thought they did combat sambo for regular troops. Isnt this how Fedor learned sambo?
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I was being sarcastic with the Systema mention.
I used to train with a girl who was a Captain in the USAF. She was an immigrant from Russia and her brother was still serving in the Russian military. I asked her one day what martial art the Russian special forces do and with no hesitation she said, "Sambo." I asked her if they did Systema, and she had never heard of it. Showed it to her, and she didn't think it was real.
Nerds get mistaken for terrorists online so often it is a running joke in certain circles.
Heh, I train with a special forces intstructor . . . He's blue belt, and I'd say he rolls appropriately for blue.
On the other hand, I also train with a cop who's a pretty legit brown. All in all, the cops I've met habe tended to be more formidable than the (much more numerous) servicemen. It only makes sense; they're the guys who have to grapple in the course of their jobs. Not so much wih Marines.
