International Updated: Trump says he authorised CIA in Venezuela as Maduro says 'no to regime change'

I'm not american and I'm not defending Maduro legitimacy. When I say Guaido was an american puppet it's not about legitimacy, it's because he didnt have a strong internal base and was meeting with the american government before the whole thing went down. He was being backed up by the US and public asking for foreing intervention. Most of the countries who recognized Guaido didnt have an idea of who he was and only did so by US request.
Also, the interpretation of the constitution he used for the presidence to be considered "vacated" was a little bogus too.
And like I said I was just pointing out why everything went sour
He had 70% approval rating and around the same time Maduro was in the mid 10%.

Most if not all revolutions are done with foreign power involvement, when one side has all the guns and support from Cuba and Russia and the other side has nothing, of course its going to require knocking some doors.

Why is it only "foreign intervention" when the US does it and never when Russia, China or Cuba does it?

The thing is... in venezuelan elections they always release the "actas de escrutinio", some minutes related to the voting. They didnt release it in the last one, even after saying they would. Even some former allies had trouble with it. So it was really shady.
Opposition also managed to get copies of most which showed the elections matched the polls, Maduro didn't care and why would he? he is a fucking brutal dictator.

He isn't Pinochet or Gorbachev, he isn't leaving power peacefully, he is more like Kim Jong or Castro.
 
He had 70% approval rating and around the same time Maduro was in the mid 10%.

Most if not all revolutions are done with foreign power involvement, when one side has all the guns and support from Cuba and Russia and the other side has nothing, of course its going to require knocking some doors.

Why is it only "foreign intervention" when the US does it and never when Russia, China or Cuba does it?
He didnt have a strong internal base as in almost nobody knew who he was in Venezuela until he became President of the National Assembly and later decided to proclaim himself president. When he did his approval soared as population was feed up with Maduro and the whole crisis (food/crime/political). In a few months his approval was already way down. He wasn't "organic" and wasn't even one of the opposition leaders.
Approval is different of base. Trump has a terrible approval but he has a strong base.

In South america US involvement is complicated and always present, since they have a long story of direct and indirect coups here. In Venezuela's case there was less than 20 years since, on Chavez government, US was meeting with the guys who tried a coup (but the counter coup stopped it).

Never in my life I said it's only foreign intervention when US does. Russia and China doesnt have the same level of involvement with elections here. In eastern europe people would have a similar feeling towards russia and in asia towards China.
 

Trump plays down possible regime change in Venezuela; US deploys stealth fighter jets​

By Steve Holland, Phil Stewart and Trevor Hunnicutt

  • Trump ties Maduro to drug trafficking, allegations denied by Caracas
  • Venezuelan F-16s flew over US warship, US official says
  • Maduro says US should abandon 'regime change'
  • CNN reports US weighing strike inside Venezuela
WASHINGTON, Sept 5 (Reuters) - The United States is not talking about regime change in Venezuela, President Donald Trump said on Friday, as the United States ordered an additional 10 stealth fighter jets to a military buildup in the Caribbean.

"We're not talking about that, but we are talking about the fact that you had an election which was a very strange election, to put it mildly," Trump said, referring to the contested 2024 election the Venezuelan government says President Nicolas Maduro won.

Trump had been asked by reporters about a claim Maduro has made this week that the United States was seeking "regime change through military threat."

"The government of the United States should abandon its plan of violent regime change in Venezuela and in all of Latin America and respect sovereignty, the right to peace, to independence," Maduro said on state television.

"I respect Trump. None of the differences we've had can lead to a military conflict," Maduro added. "Venezuela has always been willing to converse, to dialogue."

Trump demonstrated his new approach to fighting the drug war with a U.S. military strike on Tuesday that killed 11 people and sank a boat from Venezuela which Trump said was transporting illegal narcotics.

The U.S. president is weighing options for further strikes, including potentially attacking suspected drug cartel targets inside Venezuela, CNN reported on Friday, citing multiple sources briefed on the administration's plans. Such a strike would mark a major escalation.

The White House, Pentagon and State Department did not immediately respond to Reuters requests for comment on the report.

'THEY'LL BE SHOT DOWN'

The Trump administration has ordered the deployment of 10 F-35 fighter jets to a Puerto Rico airfield to conduct operations against drug cartels, sources told Reuters on Friday.

The new deployment comes on top of an already bristling U.S. military presence in the southern Caribbean as Trump carries out a campaign pledge to crack down on groups funneling drugs into the United States.
The disclosure about the F-35s came just hours after the Pentagon accused Venezuela of a "highly provocative" flight on Thursday by fighter jets near a U.S. Navy warship.

Trump warned Venezuela that the U.S. military had authorization to shoot down the jets if commanders believed they needed to, saying: "If they do put us in a dangerous position, they'll be shot down."

At every turn, the Trump administration has sought to tie Maduro's government to narco trafficking, allegations Caracas denies.
Specifically, Trump has accused Maduro of running the Tren de Aragua gang, which his administration designated a terrorist organization in February. Maduro has denied any connection to Tren de Aragua, which his government says was rendered inactive in Venezuela by a prison raid in 2023.

Trump on Friday compared the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in overdoses to war dead, as he sought to justify the muscular military activity in the Caribbean.
"Think if you're in a war and you lose 300,000 ... We're not going to allow it to happen," he said.

Venezuela's Communications Ministry did not respond to a request for comment about the F-35s or the allegations that Venezuelan fighter jets flew over a U.S. warship.

DEMOCRAT CONDEMNS 'LAWLESS' ACTS

The sources, speaking on condition of anonymity about the latest U.S. deployment, said the 10 fighter jets are being sent to conduct operations against designated narco-terrorist organizations operating in the southern Caribbean. The planes should arrive in the area by late next week, they said.

F-35s are highly advanced stealth fighters and would be effective in combat against Venezuela's air force, which includes F-16 aircraft.

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said two Venezuelan F-16s flew over the guided missile destroyer Jason Dunham on Thursday. The Dunham is one of at least seven U.S. warships deployed to the Caribbean, carrying more than 4,500 sailors and Marines.

U.S. Marines and sailors from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit have also been carrying out amphibious training and flight operations in southern Puerto Rico.

The buildup has put pressure on Maduro, whom U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has called "effectively a kingpin of a drug narco state."

U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar, a Democrat from Minnesota, condemned what she called Trump's "lawless" actions in the southern Caribbean.
"Congress has not declared war on Venezuela, or Tren de Aragua, and the mere designation of a group as a terrorist organization does not give any President carte blanche to ignore Congress's clear Constitutional authority on matters of war and peace," Omar said in a statement.

U.S. officials have not clearly explained what legal justification was used for Tuesday's air strike on the boat or what drugs were on board.
Trump said on Tuesday, without providing evidence, that the U.S. military had identified the crew of the vessel as Tren de Aragua members.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...ezuela-us-deploys-stealth-fighter-2025-09-05/
 
He didnt have a strong internal base as in almost nobody knew who he was in Venezuela until he became President of the National Assembly and later decided to proclaim himself president. When he did his approval soared as population was feed up with Maduro and the whole crisis (food/crime/political). In a few months his approval was already way down. He wasn't "organic" and wasn't even one of the opposition leaders.
Approval is different of base. Trump has a terrible approval but he has a strong base.
So base = people with guns? because rest assured Maduro has little to no support, which is the reason why he has Cubans as its praetorian guard.


In South america US involvement is complicated and always present, since they have a long story of direct and indirect coups here. In Venezuela's case there was less than 20 years since, on Chavez government, US was meeting with the guys who tried a coup (but the counter coup stopped it).
And since the cold war and specially after the success of the Cuban revolution so has Cuban/Russian influence been present in most if not all conflicts the US has also been participant.

Also the US did not green light the Chavez first coup, if it had Venezuela would had been a MUCH better place to day.


Never in my life I said it's only foreign intervention when US does. Russia and China doesnt have the same level of involvement with elections here. In eastern europe people would have a similar feeling towards russia and in asia towards China.
Buddy Cuba literally has troops and intelligence officers in Venezuela, Russia had Wagner in Venezuela too and has a lot of oil companies stealing resources.

How are Venezuelans supposed to fight against a regime like that?
 
No, this is a retarded take because in the end power is the end goal, money is just a means to power and sometimes that gets convoluted.

This is just a "its not real socialism" the terrorist version.

The goal is to put fear into civilian population for political goals, goals that a lot of times do entail enriching themselves

The term "political" relates to the system or activities of governing a country or area, including the exercise of power, decision-making, and the distribution of resources. It can also refer to a person's beliefs, affiliation with a political party or cause, or their involvement in the processes of government.

You have it backwards.

Power is wanted/necessary in order to secure money.

Drug Cartels did not go in to business with the aspirations of gaining power - they went in to business to make money, and power is a necessity to stay in business.

Unless you've got a source that a bunch of dirt poor mexicans were sitting around thinking "you know what, we all aspire to gain a lot of power - both political and socially - and the best way to do that is to become drug dealers - if we happen to make money along the way? That's just a byproduct. Being powerful is our intentions, not money to buy fancy cars and homes".

Money is the end goal, power is a variable in aquiring it and keeping it.

Are street gangs terrorists also? Are governments terrorists too? What about the Navy? Are they terrorists? After all, the goal is "power" via violence.

Do words have meaning anymore? Talk about retarded.
 
You have it backwards.

Power is wanted/necessary in order to secure money.

Drug Cartels did not go in to business with the aspirations of gaining power - they went in to business to make money, and power is a necessity to stay in business.
Again, you don't seem to understand how power and money works because you have been living in a world where both things are separate.

You could argue precisely the same about Trump, he went into politics to make money and he looks for profit at every step, if he gains power while doing it then sure he does, ergo he isn't a politician.


Unless you've got a source that a bunch of dirt poor mexicans were sitting around thinking "you know what, we all aspire to gain a lot of power - both political and socially - and the best way to do that is to become drug dealers - if we happen to make money along the way? That's just a byproduct. Being powerful is our intentions, not money to buy fancy cars and homes".
That's exactly how it goes, money is just a means to an end, you think money has power? ask those oligarchs in Russia when they get thrown out of a window, or Chinese billionaires when they get forcefully exiled how much money matters.

I mean look at Elon and his political power play, its not just about filling a bank account.


Are street gangs terrorists also?
Sometimes yes.

Are governments terrorists too? What about the Navy? Are they terrorists? After all, the goal is "power" via violence.
Of course they fucking are, most "legit" armies would be considered terrorists if the world was fair.


Do words have meaning anymore? Talk about retarded.
Apparently not for you, since you think having some noble goal is what separates terrorism from not terrorism.

Only a legitimate moron would not think of Pablo Escobar a terrorist just because he didn't believe in an altruistic goal.
 
You guys are pro-war now. Do you morons believe in anything. I swear you’d let Trump and Vance diddle you if they asked. Fucking no shame at all
- They would need to be underage for tthat to happens!
 
You have it backwards.

Power is wanted/necessary in order to secure money.

Drug Cartels did not go in to business with the aspirations of gaining power - they went in to business to make money, and power is a necessity to stay in business.
- Several guys here go to get power. They want fo feel powerful, respected and feared. They want woman to desiree them and man to fear them. The marjority of the "soldiers doesnt even make money, they make less than a low paying job, but get to handle weapons a larp as security guars of some criminal that cant even left his own comunity. I dont totaly disagree with you, that why politicians get envolved with crime, several of them have monbey, but no power.

 
Will someone please think of the nice cartel men ..



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I had no idea we had so many Venezuakan political and history experts here. With so many economists, virologists, military strategists, and Constitutional scholars this place reminds me of a Mensa meeting.
 
You guys are pro-war now. Do you morons believe in anything. I swear you’d let Trump and Vance diddle you if they asked. Fucking no shame at all
Yes pro cartel war , Obama killed American citizens with drone strikes with less “proof” so spare me the lame ass partisan points . I’d rather see this than them get a gov handout , flight and apartments paid for in Colorado under Biden. while they flood the streets with fentanyl killing people. Where was your weak bleeding heart then??
 
I had no idea we had so many Venezuakan political and history experts here. With so many economists, virologists, military strategists, and Constitutional scholars this place reminds me of a Mensa meeting.
11 dudes got blown up. I appreciate that in a weird way because they unloaded on them. Was it warranted? The story doesn't add up and you know that as a military guy. They blew up a boat.
 
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