Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC

[Andy Capp]

Did the guy purposely get caught in your opinion?

I'm not sure if you're addressing anyone in particular but it's a public post so I'll give you my 2 cents anyway

This is just a guess on my part so take it for what it's worth. I think he wanted a big manhunt to draw attention and get caught in some flashy fashion. But then it was taking too long so he dropped his mask and waited for them at the MacDonald's.

But then, everyone can make mistakes or every heist movie (based on a true story) would end with "...and they got away never to be seen again." So, it would be a huge surprise if he just fucked up, but it seems much less likely to me. If he wanted to get away and also get his message across he could have just left his manifesto somewhere for people to find.

Again, just my theory, but who knows. I assume he destroyed his brain with drugs trying to control his back pain and got consumed by a "Fuck the insurance companies" internet rabbit hole.

 

[Andy Capp]

Good points but I encourage anyone to go to an European country, look at the ingredients of a food product in the grocery stores, and then check that same food product in the states. Very interesting.

Additionally, turn the TV on and notice how any ads there are for pharmaceutical products in the states versus countries in Europe.

So Americans are unusually fat and pill addicted. Sure you can say people need to have self accountability and self responsibility. But there's more going on here and we should have a discussion about the agencies and departments that have been regulatory-captured. The revolving door of government workers-private corporate Csuite positions cannot be ignored!

Re: the bold, I suggest that is likely due to neutering of the FDA by (mostly right wing) politicians.

As for the self-diagnosis of medical conditions and treating them according to what knobs on commercials say, Americans call that freedom. It's part of the culture, whether or not I think it's kinda dumb. The peddling of snake oil is practically a constitutional right there.

 

[Blayt7hh]

“And that’s why I think denying claims that paying customers are owed for life saving treatments is fine!”

lol gtfo of here with this garbage

 

[Blayt7hh]

Good points but I encourage anyone to go to an European country, look at the ingredients of a food product in the grocery stores, and then check that same food product in the states. Very interesting.

Additionally, turn the TV on and notice how any ads there are for pharmaceutical products in the states versus countries in Europe.

So Americans are unusually fat and pill addicted. Sure you can say people need to have self accountability and self responsibility. But there's more going on here and we should have a discussion about the agencies and departments that have been regulatory-captured. The revolving door of government workers-private corporate Csuite positions cannot be ignored!

I mean you are right but all of this is neither here nor there to the discussion. The cost of treatment is irrelevant. Universal healthcare is actually irrelevant to this topic. This topic is about a company denying paying customers the services they are owed

 

[Andy Capp]

Get real.

The rightwing audience (not pundit) view on this is basically:

"The CEO gets no sympathy from me, but the shooter is clearly a nut who belongs in prison.....oh and by the way how the fuck do we already know more about this dude than we know about Matthew Crooks who shot a former president?"

Which is a far cry from "He's a LEGEND", "OMG he's so hot!", or "Fuck that McDonalds class traitor for reporting him" like you weirdos.

I said exactly the same thing. Some people on this board are going to be really really disappointed to find out I'm a right winger.

 

[Sinister]

Good points but I encourage anyone to go to an European country, look at the ingredients of a food product in the grocery stores, and then check that same food product in the states. Very interesting.

Additionally, turn the TV on and notice how any ads there are for pharmaceutical products in the states versus countries in Europe.

So Americans are unusually fat and pill addicted. Sure you can say people need to have self accountability and self responsibility. But there's more going on here and we should have a discussion about the agencies and departments that have been regulatory-captured. The revolving door of government workers-private corporate Csuite positions cannot be ignored!

The points arent that good. America is fat and pill addicted largely because health education sucks. And its literally another facet OF the broken healthcare system. Most of our "healthcare consumption" is all on the back end, meaning we use it when we're already so f*cked up it's going to require thousands of dollars. We have terrible preventative care, and we have healthcare professionals who arent even well-educated for that. Then on top of it we have insurance companies who will deny coverage of sh*t the middle men deem "unnecessary."

When anti-depressants were first invented and there were early attempts to find markets for them, Doctors in other Countries couldnt understand why American Doctors wanted to sell patients pills to make them feel better as opposed to solving the problem of what was making them feel bad. And one of the former CEOs of MERCK famously said he wanted Americans taking medicine in the same sense as they chew gum. There was a scheme out of Arizona where a medical facility was falsifying diagnoses so they could prescribe more opioids. Some people got arrested and lost licenses, but it wasn't shut down permanently.

This apologia you're replying to is little more than the suggestion that Americans are doing this to ourselves. As if we have control of what's advertised to us, what we have access to, what we're told to do by medical professionals, etc. That's a bunch of nonsense, because the fact is every corporation that's involved in this creates a self-licking ice cream cone. Help create or maintain an environment that produces this, profit off of it by advertising a partial solution.

And RFK isnt going to do jack sh*t about it. Just that guy even being willing to take a photo with Trump's fat @ss and both eating McDonald's is symbolic that he's a charlatan himself. RFK is going to work with pharmaceutical companies to create a tier system, where drugs will have his stamp of approval and others won't. The corporations are going to use that as a reason to have then priced at premium rates, and the poorest among us will be sold sh*t that really doesnt work. Essential oils and elixirs. Guarantee you RFK is just going to make these corporations more money.

 

[nostradumbass]

Good lord, this is the metaphorical equivalent of watching someone in a kitchen continuously baking banana cream pie after banana cream pie, letting them cool and then faceplanting into them.

You're out to lunch on this. A first year philosophy professor could save your posts in this thread to use as instruction material for poor reasoning and logical fallacies.

Great rebuttal, and sorry to hear you were clearly denied coverage for repeated brain injuries.

 

[Andy Capp]

What's the problem, it's not one or the other, both are true. I'm not disagreeing, healthy food like lean meats and fish are expensive, vegetables and fruits as well, and if you want organic, well then.....

I think that claim is putting the cart before the horse. The reason for eating so much is the food does not sate the appetite--by design, mostly. But if a person is heating a healthy diet there will naturally be less drive to eat more even when it is readily available. Unfortunately, it's not as easy as all that for a person already used to a bad diet. There are a lot of habitual behaviours that have been established which are less easily addressed this way. I wouldn't really blame anyone for being fat who was raised on such foods.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Re: the bold, I suggest that is likely due to neutering of the FDA by (mostly right wing) politicians.

As for the self-diagnosis of medical conditions and treating them according to what knobs on commercials say, Americans call that freedom. It's part of the culture, whether or not I think it's kinda dumb. The peddling of snake oil is practically a constitutional right there.

Yeah the democrats want to fix the FDA but those darn conservatives won't let them...

 

[Andy Capp]

So has this debate been something like the leftists saying this is fair play and the righties saying that this was a bad thing?

No.

 

[Andy Capp]

Yeah the democrats want to fix the FDA but those darn conservatives won't let them...

I didn't say that, did I, donut? Dishonesty comes to you so automatically I almost feel sorry for you.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Definitely a fan of deep diving into data as opposed to speaking points, but that account literally claims "The greatest analysis of healthcare ever done" is a few charts and tables by "an anonymous" person who is hardly online any more.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

I'm not sure if you're addressing anyone in particular but it's a public post so I'll give you my 2 cents anyway

This is just a guess on my part so take it for what it's worth. I think he wanted a big manhunt to draw attention and get caught in some flashy fashion. But then it was taking too long so he dropped his mask and waited for them at the MacDonald's.

But then, everyone can make mistakes or every heist movie (based on a true story) would end with "...and they got away never to be seen again." So, it would be a huge surprise if he just fucked up, but it seems much less likely to me. If he wanted to get away and also get his message across he could have just left his manifesto somewhere for people to find.

Again, just my theory, but who knows. I assume he destroyed his brain with drugs trying to control his back pain and got consumed by a "Fuck the insurance companies" internet rabbit hole.

I appreciate your thoughts on this.

 

[pinger]

The whole US medical system, including insurance arrangements need overhauling.

But unless there is a willingness to go after the major driver of costs (the unregulated and ridiculous costs charged by doctors and hospitals (someone on here showed paperwork of $100,000 for a fucking broken arm) worrying about crappy or non crappy health insurers is fiddling at the edges.

Unfortunately, US politicians never seem to nut up in the face of the for profit arguments

 

[Corona]

Lmao at the shittenhouse and cangione dick measuring contest. They’re both cans.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Oddly, this has been kind of unifying for the left and right, at least outside of the pundit class (and right wing posters here who hang on their every word). Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh have made videos trying to frame this as just a left wing thing and have been absolutely eviscerated by their own audiences.

Maybe Americans are starting to develop a class consciousness? It's too early to say, but one can hope.

I'd say Mangione and his actions have about a 90% approval rate on the left and 80% on the right.

And there's always the hope for a rise in class consciousness but expect the right to viciously fight it. So get ready for them to trot out their tried and true workhorse: cultural issues. They'll bring up how the illegals would also receive healthcare, how this or that tranny will get their treatment paid for, or how some black activist has tweeted something like "health justice is racial justice."

And just like that, support for universal healthcare drops down to 10% among conservatives.