Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC

[KAZSoliloquy]

I know it's just twitter trolling, but I've seen some shockingly stupid people truly try to claim this.

He looks exactly the same as in the pictures. Shape of smile, dimples on corners of mouth, a particularly characteristic toothy smile, shape of chin, shape of nose, shape of brows, cheeks, etc:

i mean maybe it's the angle but i don't think the dude in the hostel pics is luigi. doesn't mean luigi isn't the shooter, but i think the pic here on the left, i think that's just a random dude.

the pic where they say the "unibrow doesn't match" ironically looks just like the kid.

 

[aerius]

When it is an abstract problem yea some people would be willing to say fuck em. But if it was an illegal was literally dying right in front of most Americans, I highly doubt they'd react that way. They'd try to help them - because most of us are not sociopaths.

We just have to secure the border. That's the only solution.

Most of us are not sociopaths. Yet. However, the hate is definitely building up in our societies and none of us know where the breaking point is. It doesn't take very much to go from where we are now to outright denial of care as the Covid response in the US and other nations has shown. It ain't hard to whip up a frenzy of hate and once you've got a group properly demonized it's very easy for ordinary people to shun them and turn a blind eye to their misfortunes.

As for securing the border, every President in my entire lifetime has been blabbing about it, not one of them has done shit and I don't expect this to change until enough people start getting shot.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

A public option with the ability to get additional private insurance if you want it is probably the most sensible option at this point.

As far as denied claims go. Fraud is fraud and isn't acceptable or justifiable under any circumstance. If a denied claim was proven to be improper, then incredibly stiff penalties are needed. Not just civil penalties, criminal ones.

How's a denied claim going to be proven improper? I'm assuming you want government to provide consumer protection, oversight and enforcement? I'm also guessing you're also going to want government to enforce and regulate public reporting and transparency as well?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

How's a denied claim going to be proven improper? I'm assuming you want government to provide consumer protection, oversight and enforcement? I'm also guessing you're also going to want government to enforce and regulate public reporting and transparency as well?

almost like it'd be more efficient to have government do the whole thing.

 

[KOByFootStomp]

 

[nostradumbass]

No one is asking for this.

Or this. If every other “first world” country can figure out how to offer free health care, why can’t we?

Yes, that is what you're asking for. If they're operating on a 3% profit margin WITH denials, then they obviously can't remove them without running at a negative, so insurance premiums would have to go up considerably just to break even.

And the answer is that every other first world country can't figure it out. I've posted the numbers from other countries more than 5 times ITT, and they're horrific. Every single country in Europe has lower cancer survival rates, and the number of deaths from people caused by wait times are many multiples higher than the US could dream of having from any lack of coverage or insurance companies not reimbursing extra labwork. And it's nowhere close to "free" either, they all tax the shit out of everyone for inferior medical care. An employee's $1200/year contribution for insurance coverage is much cheaper than Germany taxing you 42% on income over $68k.

 

[nostradumbass]

That dead ceo certainly doesn't need his 10million bonus anymore....let's start there

And add a whole $1 dollar per patient. Genius.

Or they could just deny you and your family all coverage and save that money plus the added bonus of one fewer fucking idiot.

 

[KOByFootStomp]

Yes, that is what you're asking for. If they're operating on a 3% profit margin WITH denials, then they obviously can't remove them without running at a negative, so insurance premiums would have to go up considerably just to break even.

And the answer is that every other first world country can't figure it out. I've posted the numbers from other countries more than 5 times ITT, and they're horrific. They all have lower cancer survival rates, and the number of deaths from people caused by wait times are many multiples higher than the US could dream of having from any lack of coverage or insurance companies not reimbursing extra labwork. And it's nowhere close to "free" either, they all tax the shit out of everyone for inferior medical care. An employee's $1200/year contribution for insurance coverage is much cheaper than Germany taxing you 42% on income over $68k.

When people argue for free "universal healthcare" they don't seem to understand that no country has free healthcare. They are taxed up the ass for it at a rate that is likely higher than they pay for privatized healthcare with inferior service. The system is nowhere near perfect, but they don't understand that tax rates would rise exponentially in order to cover "free" healthcare. The only people that would really benefit from it is people who don't provide anything to society in the form of taxes.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

Republicans hero:
-heir to 300 million
-dodged draft, REFUSED to fight in combat for this country
-shits pants
-convicted felon
-adjudicated rapist
-cheats on wife - not a family man
-pussy

Am I doing this right? And LMAO and the pure bitchass pussies you follow on twitter. Gunther, catturd, Collin, probably Laura Loomer. All ate lockers in school.

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

I watch Joy Reid for the lolz. She just stated that it makes perfect sense Mangioni came from a wealthy family, because it allowed him to have the "leisure time" to plan the murder....wtf?

 

[nostradumbass]

"no way to prevent this" says only nation where this regularly happens.

Where what regularly happens? I already posted more than 5 times how many deaths are caused in these awesome systems that put people on months long wait lists for treatment and tell them to kill themselves to save money.

How many people died while on waiting lists? - Full Fact

Apparently contradictory research from Labour and the Times suggests that either 121,000 or 340,000 people died while waiting for treatment in England last year.

fullfact.org

Canadians dying while on medical wait lists reaches five-year high, report finds

Government data shows more than 17,000 deaths among patients waiting for life-saving or quality-of-life procedures. Numbers may be higher.

nationalpost.com

Fourth annual report on Medical Assistance in Dying in Canada 2022 - Canada.ca

This Fourth Annual Report on Medical Assistance in Dying presents data for the 2022 calendar year collected under the 2018 Regulations for the Monitoring of Medical Assistance in Dying.

www.canada.ca

 

[KOByFootStomp]

Republicans hero:
-heir to 300 million
-dodged draft, REFUSED to fight in combat for this country
-shits pants
-convicted felon
-adjudicated rapist
-cheats on wife - not a family man
-pussy

Am I doing this right? And LMAO and the pure bitchass pussies you follow on twitter. Gunther, catturd, Collin, probably Laura Loomer. All ate lockers in school.

Your attempts at trolling are amateur at best.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

Your attempts at trolling are amateur at best.

Every one of the things I listed is a FACT except arguably shits in pants. The most damning one is being a draft dodger. Refusing to fight for this country, what a bitch.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Where what regularly happens? I already posted more than 5 times how many deaths are caused in these awesome systems that put people on months long wait lists for treatment and tell them to kill themselves to save money.

How many people died while on waiting lists? - Full Fact

Apparently contradictory research from Labour and the Times suggests that either 121,000 or 340,000 people died while waiting for treatment in England last year.

fullfact.org

Canadians dying while on medical wait lists reaches five-year high, report finds

Government data shows more than 17,000 deaths among patients waiting for life-saving or quality-of-life procedures. Numbers may be higher.

nationalpost.com

Fourth annual report on Medical Assistance in Dying in Canada 2022 - Canada.ca

This Fourth Annual Report on Medical Assistance in Dying presents data for the 2022 calendar year collected under the 2018 Regulations for the Monitoring of Medical Assistance in Dying.

www.canada.ca

and the situation in the US is so bad, that those countries rank higher in health care access and outcomes.

 

[nostradumbass]

When people argue for free "universal healthcare" they don't seem to understand that no country has free healthcare. They are taxed up the ass for it at a rate that is likely higher than they pay for privatized healthcare with inferior service. The system is nowhere near perfect, but they don't understand that tax rates would rise exponentially in order to cover "free" healthcare. The only people that would really benefit from it is people who don't provide anything to society in the form of taxes.

And those people are already on medicaid, and medicaid costs $9500/enrollee, which would come out to $3.3 trillion/year for everyone to be forced onto medicaid. For reference, the entire tax receipts were $4.4T last year, so medicaid for all, and the entire rest of the government would have $1.1T to operate before they turn the money printer back on and inflate the shit out of currency again.

 

[lifelessheap]

I swear some of you are clinically retarded.

I lived in rural NorCal and my local hospital shut down because it was unprofitable and operated in the red because too many illegals were getting care. That literally puts people in danger.

We had a local hospital within a ten minute drive to having to go almost 40 minutes away.

If a business is told they have serve illegals for free ... You don't think that costs money? If McDonald's had to give free food to illegals you think they wouldn't charge you more to make up?

 

[AmonTobin]

I chuckled.

 

[KOByFootStomp]

Every one of the things I listed is a FACT except arguably shits in pants. The most damning one is being a draft dodger. Refusing to fight for this country, what a bitch.

What does Trump have to do with the murder of the CEO of United Health Care? Your obsession with him is unhealthy and creepy. I'd suggest calling United Health Care (if you even have insurance) and seeing what programs they may offer to help with your TDS before it becomes terminal.

 

[GhostZ06]

Your attempts at trolling are amateur at best.

Thats not trolling that's the truth.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

I chuckled.

Fuck ya, LFGO!!!