Economy Unemployment is Putting Businesses Out Business

Nope many legit are making more money. At my job the part timers got downgraded just 5 hours a week, and just from reporting that to unemployment they became eligible for a couple hundred bucks a week basically and are now making more than the full timers. None of them are interested in finding another job and are obviously refusing all offers to go full time
Some definitely are. I don't know what it currently is, but last year it was over $1k/week depending on state unemployment, which is a preposterous amount. That is effing ruthless to incentivize people to quit their jobs by offering more fake money than their employer can afford to pay them, and leaving both parties in debt from the offer. It should have been done by age or family status if anything, or as a percentage of what you were making the way state unemployment is. The global average salary is like $350/week( and that's PPP), and a single 20 year could get more than that for specifically and intentionally not working? Does that make sense to anybody?
 
Some definitely are. I don't know what it currently is, but last year it was over $1k/week depending on state unemployment, which is a preposterous amount. That is effing ruthless to incentivize people to quit their jobs by offering more fake money than their employer can afford to pay them, and leaving both parties in debt from the offer. It should have been done by age or family status if anything, or as a percentage of what you were making the way state unemployment is. The global average salary is like $350/week( and that's PPP), and a single 20 year could get more than that for specifically and intentionally not working? Does that make sense to anybody?
It makes sense to them lol. They're completely appalled and offended that anyone would suggest reopening businesses and letting people get back to work, because it means their checks that they are entitled to go bye bye
 
Who the fuck could live off of 2k a month?
I mean if you are some 18 year old kid, with 3 other roommates, then sure I guess, but it would suck.
Beats me.
 
At the end of the day, isn’t this just a question of what people want and expect :
- pay higher wages, have pricier products
- circumvent the higher wages by hiring cheap labour that would be ready to do the job for less
- nobody should assume that a fast-food job or other menial job would make a killing

If the fat fucks are ready to pay more the chicken sandwich then all good OR everyone is ok that these jobs will go to quite possibly illegal immigrants then OK too.
Make a fucking choice losers because you can’t have it all.
 
Smooth Joey B letting in all of the illegal immigrants at the border with Covid to fix this.

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Instead we should subsidize companys that dont pay a livable wage with government programs so they can pay as little as possible. Most job openings are for lower paying jobs. Why would someone want to work if they are only make a little bit more than unemployment? If the job is paying $15 an hour and you are getting lets say $500 on unemployment, that is basicly giving someone over 30 hours of you week to make 100 extra. The cost benefit for those people simple doesnt justify working.

EXACTLY.

Exactly people justify upper class tax cuts by saying how high tax rates discourage people from doing more. Meanwhile the highest effective tax rates usually fall on people make low wages.

Sure it's not technically all tax as most is lost government support but the economic incentive or more accurately disincentive is the same.
 
Actually employees pay into it, the employers match it, and the government chips in.
Wrong buddy.

What Does an Unemployment Claim Cost an Employer?
Many people mistakenly believe that unemployment insurance (UI) benefits come from a fund paid into by employees—like Social Security or Medicare. However, it’s employers who are financially responsible for unemployment benefits, and the costs are far higher than just the amount of a claim.

First, it helps to understand how unemployment insurance is financed.
Unemployment is almost entirely funded by employers. Only three states—Alaska, New Jersey and Pennsylvania—assess unemployment taxes on employees, and it’s a small portion of the overall cost.

Unemployment is funded, and taxed, at both the federal and state level:

The Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA) tax is imposed at a flat rate on the first $7,000 paid to each employee. The current FUTA tax rate is 6%, but most states receive a 5.4% “credit” reducing that to 0.6%. There is no action an employer can take to affect this rate. Some of this federal money is used for loans to states that don’t have enough in their UI trust funds to pay claims. If the loans are not repaid, the federal government raises that state’s employer tax rate.
The State Unemployment Tax Act (SUTA) tax is much more complex. Employers pay a certain tax rate (usually between 1% and 8%) on the taxable earnings of employees. In most states, that ranges from the first $10,000 to $15,000 an employee earns in a calendar year.
Here’s where it gets tricky. Each state has its own finance method and its own calculation to determine the tax rate an employer pays. You can read about that here. For the purposes of this article, know that the tax is based on the employer’s taxable payroll, the amount the employer has paid into the UI system, and unemployment claims against the employer’s account (called “benefit charges”).

This is called an experience rating, and it can go up or down over time depending on the employer’s payroll and history with unemployment claims.
 
If $300/week is enough to keep your full-time employees from going to work, maybe you should consider paying them more.....

If I owned a business that paid so little that my workers would stay home for an unlivable amount of money, I would be pretty embarassed.
 
I can't even be mad at anyone who games the system at this point. It's a dog eat dog society, no one is going to look after you except yourself. If you're not the perpetrator, then you're the victim at this point.
They could atleast be working under the table and setting themselves up for future success by having, I don't know, savings
 
We've already established that they do pay a "livable wage". You conceded a few posts ago that they would make more from working, and the thread premise is that the lesser amount from unemployment is itself livable. How is unemployment a livable amount, but not the higher amount they would make working?

Some fast food places pay starvation wages. If you are a person receiving unemployment, youre generally not going to fork over 160+ hours of your life a month to make $100 or $200 more, which will likely go toward commuting back and forth; you're going to try to find work that pays something livable while you have the time and security to look without the threat of starving to death. You would be an idiot squander the opportunity.
 
Nope many legit are making more money. At my job the part timers got downgraded just 5 hours a week, and just from reporting that to unemployment they became eligible for a couple hundred bucks a week basically and are now making more than the full timers. None of them are interested in finding another job and are obviously refusing all offers to go full time

If their jobs payed more, this wouldn't be a thing. Unemployment is often tied to the poverty line, which itself has remained far too low. You're punching down at the workers for not taking opportunities that are bad trade-offs for them instead of punching up at corporations that pay so little that their employees would be happier collecting unemployment.
 
Some fast food places pay starvation wages. If you are a person receiving unemployment, youre generally not going to fork over 160+ hours of your life a month to make $100 or $200 more, which will likely go toward commuting back and forth; you're going to try to find work that pays something livable while you have the time and security to look without the threat of starving to death. You would be an idiot squander the opportunity.
Correct, and once your additional unemployment is cut off, you will have no more work experience, no more qualifications that would command a higher wage, and a harder time finding anything at all when everyone else who had the same plan all have to run out and find jobs.

The only people who starve to death in this country are children from neglect, and ironically, the neglectful parents are the same type of person who would quit their job to collect a temporary boost in unemployment. I'm pretty confident "starving to death" was not a big concern for people working in a restaurant.

What these people should do is use the opportunity of places having a hard time finding employees to advance their positions with relatively little competition and put themselves in a better position when unemployment runs out and all these people have to scramble for jobs at the same time. Some might call it delayed gratification.
 
This is only a phenomenon with employers that don't pay a liveable wage.
 
Correct, and once your additional unemployment is cut off, you will have no more work experience, no more qualifications that would command a higher wage, and a harder time finding anything at all when everyone else who had the same plan all have to run out and find jobs.

The only people who starve to death in this country are children from neglect, and ironically, the neglectful parents are the same type of person who would quit their job to collect a temporary boost in unemployment. I'm pretty confident "starving to death" was not a big concern for people working in a restaurant.

What these people should do is use the opportunity of places having a hard time finding employees to advance their positions with relatively little competition and put themselves in a better position when unemployment runs out and all these people have to scramble for jobs at the same time. Some might call it delayed gratification.
Most of these people can’t think 10 minutes ahead and you think they can consider what you said? Work towards a better position and prove your worth? Na man, they’re all CEO’s.
 
It's unfortunate. But it's hard to feel sympathy for these restaurants and other companies misfortune when they have been gaming the system for so long. Decades of low ball wages, along with part timing workers and other tactics designed to avoid providing health insurance played a large role in creating this climate.

There are over 60 million working people in the US on Medicaid. People have the temerity to assert this is a socialist welfare program. When in reality it is corporate welfare.

We have an employer based healthcare model where we give companies so many loopholes and outs that only around half the people have employer healthcare. That is how stupid we are.
 
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get rid of unemployment and they'll go back to work
 
Who the fuck could live off of 2k a month?
I mean if you are some 18 year old kid, with 3 other roommates, then sure I guess, but it would suck.
I mean, I live off less than that. I make more too.

idk how people live like they do, even with my hobbies I don't spend a lot of money. I save a shit ton.
 
Some definitely are. I don't know what it currently is, but last year it was over $1k/week depending on state unemployment, which is a preposterous amount. That is effing ruthless to incentivize people to quit their jobs by offering more fake money than their employer can afford to pay them, and leaving both parties in debt from the offer. It should have been done by age or family status if anything, or as a percentage of what you were making the way state unemployment is. The global average salary is like $350/week( and that's PPP), and a single 20 year could get more than that for specifically and intentionally not working? Does that make sense to anybody?

The amount we are kicking out in unemployment right now is A LOT closer to Pre-COVID levels than during 2020. In Feb and March of 2020, we paid out 2.75 and 3.89 Billion respectively. It peaked at 23.75 Billion in May of 2020 and has been going down steadily since. Jan 2021 was at 5.75 B.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/284857/total-unemployment-benefits-paid-in-the-us/

If restaurants can't hire people now, you can not lay it at the feet of unemployment cash.
 
I mean, I live off less than that. I make more too.

idk how people live like they do, even with my hobbies I don't spend a lot of money. I save a shit ton.
Mortgage, two car payments, two kids, and since I own my own business, I got to pay for my own health care/insurance.
2k would not cover my insurance and both car payments.
Plus I have a massive Coke habit.
 
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