Unemployment falls below 5%

^This statement is false.

Bush had an approval rating of (20%) which is lower than Nixon who resigned.

Obama's approval rating is over 50% today, sure does not sound like a country divided to me if half the country approves of his leadership.

Not that I disagree...but these things are not mutually exclusive. You can be loved by half and hated by the other half. That would be a divided country. You could say the country was more united at hating Bush than now. Obama terms were good enough, if not brilliant, to be fair. If you just follow economic orthodoxy you can pretty much guarantee the american economy will do fine. So no big deal there if you're not crazy.
His foreign policy was good towards Iran, Russia and Syria all things considered. He should have cut any military support to the rebels though, that thing has no solution.
 
I don't think I even associate with anyone that's unemployed. It's easy as fuck to get a job now compared to 2010-2012.

I was on unemployment until it ran out in 2013 and for the last 3 years I have made a living selling shit on craigslist and ebay. So I kind of agree with you.
 
From a UK perspective I don't hold unemployment as an economic measure in high regard. A very big issue post 2008 especially is that were moving away from full time contracts towards part time ones with overtime or even zero hours contracts, making two 15 hour positions out of a previous 30 hour position is not economic advancement.

Generally my view is that increasingly were seeing the weakness of the established social democratic order across the west in that whilst its outwardly socially liberal this is simply not backed up at an economic level due to strong adherence to neo liberial economic ideas. Ultimately if your going to make something have substance it needs economics behind it or else your just left with window dressing.

Indeed I would argue that a big part of the US doing somewhat better than the UK economically is exactly that your not as neo liberal as we are economically, government intervention helped limit some of the damage whilst we let whats left of our industry go to the wall.
 
People have jobs but they are minimum wage McDonald jobs. That's why they want to increase the wage.

The problem is not wage or jobs. The problem is uneducated leechers. You have leechers who "quit" finding a job and leech off of welware. Then you have uneducated 40 yr olds working at McDonald or Walmart crying about wages and other crap.

Then you also have these new IT/web developers raising the prices everywhere.
Now you have people working 2-3 jobs and still crying about no jobs.

Increasing the minimal wage is not going to help because it will only increase the cost of living even higher. Only the uneducated wants to create minimal wage and the politicians are exploiting these uneducated fools by saying what they want to hear.

My city increased it's minimum wage and everything else increased as well. The same people crying about not affording anything still can't afford anything. They need to find a real job. And it's also screwing other people over with a real job like me. Everything else increased but my not minimum wage job is not increasing. My boss have no obligation to increase my wage but the price of living increased. So the minimum wage people didn't improve while people like me have to suffer for their ignorance. So who wins in the end? Still the big corporations.

Unemployment and "leechers" have only a tiny effect on our economy, which is doing fine anyway. Not sure where your negatively is coming from.
 
Unemployment and "leechers" have only a tiny effect on our economy, which is doing fine anyway. Not sure where your negatively is coming from.
It's coming from idiots who wants to raise the minimum wage thinking they will do better/survive but in reality it doesn't help them one bit and is screwing the normal working middle class like myself over.

All in all, it's the lazy people that I hate. Leechers and idiots raising a family of 10 on 1-2 minimum wage job.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/05/business/economy/jobs-report.html?_r=1

Stole the stats from reddit

Some snippets of data from the BLS Report:

UNEMPLOYMENT RATES:

U3 (headline unemployment rate) ticked down 0.1 to 4.9%.
U4 (includes those who've given up looking for work) ticked down 0.1 point to 5.2%.
U5 (includes "marginally attached") ticked down 0.1 point to 5.9%.
U6 (includes part-timers who'd like to be full-time) ticked down 0.2 points to 9.5%.

LABOR FORCE DATA:

The number of people in the labor force decreased by 195k, to 159.7 million.
The overall labor participation rate ticked down 0.1 point to 62.8%.
The number of people not in the labor force, but who want a job, decreased by 176k, to 5.91 million.
The number of people not in the labor force, but who want and are available to work and have looked for a job in the last year, decreased 144k to 1.70 million.
The number of people not counted as unemployed because they dropped out of the workforce decreased by 66k, to 487k.

FULL- AND PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT:

The number of people employed full-time decreased 103k, to 124.2 million.
The number of people employed part-time increased 90k, to 27.7 million.

JOB GAINS/LOSSES:

Total nonfarm jobs increased by 161k, to 145.0 million.
Of these, 142k came from the private sector.
Federal jobs increased by 12k.
State government jobs increased by 3k.
Local government jobs increased by 4k.

HOURS AND WAGES:

Average hours worked was flat at 34.4 hours per week.
Average hourly wages rose $0.10 to $25.92/hr. This is 2.8% higher than a year ago.
Average weekly wages rose $3.44 to $891.65/week. This is 2.5% higher than a year ago.
Average hours of nonsupervisors was flat at 33.6 per week.
Average hourly wages of nonsupervisors rose $0.04 to $21.72/hr. This is 2.4% higher than a year ago.
Average weekly wages of nonsupervisors rose $1.34, to $729.79/week. This is 2.1% higher than a year ago.

REVISIONS:

August's job numbers were revised up from +167k to +176k.
September's job numbers were revised up from +156k to +191k.
Together, this means that 44k more jobs were created in the last two months than previously estimated.


The government, delivering the last major snapshot of the economy before Election Day, reported on Friday that employers added 161,000 workers in October, a performance that suggested a healthy outlook for the months ahead.

The official unemployment rate dropped to 4.9 percent, from 5 percent. And average hourly earnings rose 2.8 percent year over year, a level not reached since 2008.

“It was pretty positive across the board,” said David Berson, chief economist at Nationwide Insurance, adding that “most importantly, we got a nice jump in average hourly earnings and that actually corresponds with other data.”

While the final weeks of the presidential campaign seemed to be preoccupied with everything but the economy, Friday’s report from the Labor Department refocused attention — at least briefly — on the crucial bread-and-butter issue: jobs. For the candidates, the latest employment report serves as a Rorschach test, allowing each side to offer its own distinctive narrative of the economy’s performance and prospects.


As Vincent Reinhart, chief economist at Standish Mellon, explained, “The main message is from the payroll report: Jobs are being created and earnings are going up.” But a report that goes “right down the middle of the fairway,” he added, “means you can spin it any way you want.”

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Donald J. Trump, who was propelled to the top of the Republican ticket in part by nagging economic anxiety and a surge in voter anger among the white working class, has emphasized the negatives.

He has argued that jobs have been disappearing, highlighting the continuing loss of well-paid manufacturing jobs as production moves to other countries. October’s report showed continued decline in that sector, with the loss of 9,000 jobs.

The Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, by contrast, has emphasized the progress that President Obama made in digging the country out of the recession, pointing to the creation of roughly 15 million jobs since 2010.

The data on Friday also showed that more jobs were created in August and September than previously estimated. The revisions showed 44,000 more positions had been created, bringing the monthly average over the last three months to 176,000. Even more encouraging was the robust bump in wages, the most concrete sign that the labor market is tightening, and that ordinary workers are finally getting a slice of the rewards.

“This is money in the bank for workers feeling like they’ve been waiting a long time for this piece of the economic recovery puzzle to be added,” said Mark Hamrick, Bankrate.com’s senior economic analyst.

Jed Kolko, chief economist at Indeed, a jobs listing website, noted that the economy “set three post-recession records this month.” Wage growth is at its strongest point; the employment-to-population ratio for prime age workers reached 78.2 percent, its highest level since 2008; and the broadest measure of employment, which includes discouraged and underemployed workers, fell to 9.5 percent.

“These are all signs that the labor market continues to strengthen and is at its strongest point since the crisis,” Mr. Kolko said.

More than seven years after the recession ended, employment gains have been remarkably steady, finally leading to a rise in earnings in the last couple of years. But overall economic growth has remained modest and despite the recent improvements, the recovery has failed to deliver to many Americans the sense of job security and steady advancement that traditionally girds the middle class.

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The type of jobs created is one reason. “Where we are creating jobs is in service areas, which are not as productive as manufacturing, and lower paying,” said Mr. Reinhart of Standish Mellon. “So we’ve got a problem.”

At the same time, many employers complain about a shortage of qualified workers.

“It has been tough to hire good people,” especially near cities like Baltimore, Washington and Philadelphia, said Scott Nash, the founder and chief executive of Mom’s Organic Market, which operates 17 grocery stores between Virginia and New Jersey and employs more than 1,000 people. Mr. Nash offers a starting wage of $12 an hour, significantly above the mandated minimums in the areas where his stores are. He said he planned to hire an additional 200 workers, from cashiers to managers, over the next 12 months.

As the recession has receded, the definition of what economists consider a strong or weak employment report has shifted. So what now should be considered normal growth?

Last month, when the government reported that in September, 156,000 additional jobs were created and the unemployment rate was 5 percent, Mr. Trump labeled it “terrible.” By contrast, some members of the Federal Reserve Board argue that the labor market is already close to the goal-post — the lowest level of unemployment that a healthy economy can sustain without igniting inflation.

Taking into account population growth and an aging work force, economists at the San Francisco Fed estimated the “break-even” point — growth that is sufficient to keep the jobless rate from rising — now ranges from 50,000 to 110,000 jobs a month. Additional jobs would most likely push the unemployment rate further down, while fewer could lift it.

Record low participation rates in the labor force, however, suggest that a sizable number of people might be lured back into the work force for the right job at the right wage.

Ian Siegel, chief executive of ZipRecruiter, which distributes job postings primarily from small and midsize businesses, said he saw a substantial jump in listings last month.

“There are more middle-skill jobs at higher salaries,” Mr. Siegel said. His assumption is that rather than seeking talent at the top of the skills ladder, employers are increasingly willing to train new employees. “It’s a great time to be a job seeker,” he said.

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ZipRecruiter defines middle-skilled jobs as those that require vocational training, related on-the-job experience or an associate degree.

Mr. Siegel also expects to see a large upswing in temporary hiring of low-skilled workers by retailers and related industries, like parcel delivery, as businesses gear up for the holiday season.

Uncommon Goods, an online retailer located in Brooklyn, plans to add hundreds of temporary employees to its 170-person work force by the end of the year, said Dave Bolotsky, the founder and chief executive. Over the next year, he expects to create 20 to 30 full-time positions, with a starting wage of $14 an hour. “If you can pay above market rate, it’s a sign of appreciation or respect,” said Mr. Bolotsky, who supports an increase in the mandated minimum wage.

As for high-skilled workers, Tara Sinclair, an economist at Indeed, noticed a decline in postings for technology jobs, a closely watched sector that makes up a relatively small portion of the overall labor market.

“It seems there’s a little bit more caution that what we were seeing nine months ago,” Ms. Sinclair said. “For a while every company needed a data scientist, thinking ‘I don’t know what it is, but I want one.’ Now they may be asking ‘What is going to be the business value of hiring these people?’”

This week, the Fed announced it was once again holding off on any increase in its benchmark interest rate, but indicated a December bump was likely. In its statement, the policy-making committee noted that inflation still remained below the target long-run goal of 2 percent annual growth.

Ted Wieseman, an economist at Morgan Stanley, noted the employment picture showed plenty of signs of resilience. “Unemployed workers have been dropping out of the labor force in smaller numbers, and there’s been a pickup in formerly discouraged workers starting to look for work again,” he said in his employment report preview. The rate of workers being fired has also remained low this year.

THANKS OBAMA!!!!
 
It's coming from idiots who wants to raise the minimum wage thinking they will do better/survive but in reality it doesn't help them one bit and is screwing the normal working middle class like myself over.

All in all, it's the lazy people that I hate. Leechers and idiots raising a family of 10 on 1-2 minimum wage job.

Either work harder to make yourself more valuable or deal with it. Crying about what someone else makes is what lazy people do.
 
Either work harder to make yourself more valuable or deal with it. Crying about what someone else makes is what lazy people do.
My original post explained this quite well. Increasing minimum wage = increase cost of living but my non minimum wage doesn't increase so it's affecting me and you in a negative way unless your job's wage increases as the cost of living increases, it's going to affect you.

Actually, I get a 5% increase every year but it's still not going to cover the sudden boom in the cost of living especially not after they increase the fed min to 15 like some people wanted. I don't care if you're a millionaire, it's going to affect you. You make the same but you spend more due to cost of living due to minimum wage increase.

I can still afford the things I want to buy but all of a sudden there's less savings. Idiots think they can have more savings because their minimum wage increased but they're not saving anymore than before.
 
Not that I disagree...but these things are not mutually exclusive. You can be loved by half and hated by the other half. That would be a divided country. You could say the country was more united at hating Bush than now. Obama terms were good enough, if not brilliant, to be fair. If you just follow economic orthodoxy you can pretty much guarantee the american economy will do fine. So no big deal there if you're not crazy.
His foreign policy was good towards Iran, Russia and Syria all things considered. He should have cut any military support to the rebels though, that thing has no solution.

This is a case where I ask how did he determine the "country is divided" ? I provided empirical evidence (approval ratings) that it isn't. There was never anything supporting the original argument to begin with. He's regurgitating from the disenfranchised conservative playbook which is chalk full of rhetoric and vapid straw men. I'm interested in truth, Pixelated Porn is interested in lambasting and insults at any cost, the first being facts and evidence.
 
So we've used one metric to track unemployment consistently throughout all the history tracking it. And yet every time new unemployment stats are released all you hear from the right is "You can't keep using the same flawed modality simply for the sake of consistency! Here use are clearly superior Austrian modality! Unemployment is at 89%! Barack Obama has done nothing to ensure the employment of the unborn! They're people too damn it!"
 
One thing I've learned after reading this thread is most people don't understand how BLS statistics work.
 
The type of jobs created is one reason. “Where we are creating jobs is in service areas, which are not as productive as manufacturing, and lower paying,” said Mr. Reinhart of Standish Mellon. “So we’ve got a problem.”

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The type of jobs created is one reason. “Where we are creating jobs is in service areas, which are not as productive as manufacturing, and lower paying,” said Mr. Reinhart of Standish Mellon. “So we’ve got a problem.”

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Was he high when he said this? Or are those typos?
 
Must be nice living in a country with so many job options.

We have 50% of university graduates struggling to find positions of any kind even 3 years after graduating.
 
I was on unemployment until it ran out in 2013 and for the last 3 years I have made a living selling shit on craigslist and ebay. So I kind of agree with you.
Explains alot
Being unemployed can make one feel disenchanted or disenfranchised
From the govt in general and looking for someone to blame
Gives you voice
Too bad you are going against your own interests this election cycle
 
Must be nice living in a country with so many job options.

We have 50% of university graduates struggling to find positions of any kind even 3 years after graduating.

Maybe they need to stop turning into
SJW pussies who think occupy wall st or anonymous are heroes
Or that the world owes them something vs getting a degree in something other than philosophy
I worked 2 jobs while i went to school
The last 10yrs has seen a pussification of men and a rise in extreme feminism
Misguided uninformed to reality
Just look at the nonsense going on at university of toronto

Check out from 14:00 on this guy really nails the issue with sjw and human relations and entitlement
 
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Explains alot
Being unemployed can make one feel disenchanted or disenfranchised
From the govt in general and looking for someone to blame
Gives you voice
Too bad you are going against your own interests this election cycle

I don't know? I have done pretty good for 3 years. And I enjoy my life more and have more spare time.
 
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